DUST Search - Bolt pistol Way OP in delta

Fizzer XCIV wrote:

Mikel Arias wrote:

I do agree that its OP. I havent been killed in a sentinel or commando suit with a bolt pistol, but my scout died with one shot. Now, I know, a scout doesnt have a lot of armor nor shield (shield 87, armor 162) , but I have survived one shotgun shot before, so how come I die with a single shot from a bolt pistol? The same thing happened in my logistic suit (shield 163, armor 412).
Besides, I have seen people running with that thing and killing heavies with four or five shots. That shouldnt be possible.

That is some of the most anecdotal evidence I've ever seen, and I feel the need to just tear it to peices.

"...I have survived one shotgun shot before..."
Was this only one time in the past. Or is this a recurring event for you?
Did it ever occur to you that perhaps not all of the pellets from the shotgun hit you? Are you even aware of the mechanics of shotguns?

"...so how come I die with a single shot from a bolt pistol?"
Is this a recurring event? Or are you basing your opinion of a weapon on a single death you've had?
For a scout suit with absolutely no HP mods at all, you should expect to die fast. That is just something you'll have to deal with.
As for the time you died in your logi suit, he had damage modifiers and landed a headshot. That is if it was in fact a one hit kill and you aren't exaggerating.

Then there's this. You seem to change your opinion of part of the weapons balance sometime during writing this.
"I havent been killed in a sentinel or commando suit with a bolt pistol... ...I have seen people running with that thing and killing heavies with four or five shots."
So what is it? Are they good at killing heavies, or bad? You don't even seem to have your own opinions straight.

"...four or five shots."
If somebody can kill a sentinel with four rounds from a bolt pistol, 2 of those shots, minimum, were headshots.
GÇóOh and they don't even have 5 rounds in their magazines. I'm going to assume you just don't really even know much about the thing your complaining about, other than "it killed me, so Nerf it".

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DEMONWOLF4891 Bahdo faal dovah 0	Posted - 2014.09.28 02:43:00 - [1] - Quote The bolt pistol is way to OP. My dropsuit with 700 armor and 300 shield got one shot by militia bolt pistol. That's not right and it was not a heat shot I got picked up after.
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3152	Posted - 2014.09.28 03:01:00 - [2] - Quote DEMONWOLF4891 wrote: The bolt pistol is way to OP. My dropsuit with 700 armor and 300 shield got one shot by militia bolt pistol. That's not right and it was not a heat shot I got picked up after. LOL? You got 1000 HP one shotted by a gun that cannot exceed 400 damage even with a HS... math supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Tectonic Fusion 2245	Posted - 2014.09.28 04:19:00 - [3] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: DEMONWOLF4891 wrote: The bolt pistol is way to OP. My dropsuit with 700 armor and 300 shield got one shot by militia bolt pistol. That's not right and it was not a heat shot I got picked up after. LOL? You got 1000 HP one shotted by a gun that cannot exceed 400 damage even with a HS... math Yeah. What people are saying is crazy. What if they gt sniped by someone and the bolt was just a finisher? (GIF)
The Master Race Immortal Guides 46	Posted - 2014.09.28 05:00:00 - [4] - Quote It is super deadly. Lag spike killed? New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 959	Posted - 2014.09.28 09:32:00 - [5] - Quote Physically impossible. The BP has a headshot multiplier of 225%, meaning it would need to hit for almost 500 damage base to one shot you. It is quite powerful though, but I believe you either got a lag spike and took more shots than you realized, experienced a weird glitch, or took successive shots from multiple enemies in such a rapid succession that there appeared to be no separation between them. Nova Knives are best sidearm.
Trevor Manner CYBERDYNE SKYNET UK 0	Posted - 2014.10.01 22:16:00 - [6] - Quote DEMONWOLF4891 wrote: The bolt pistol is way to OP. My dropsuit with 700 armor and 300 shield got one shot by militia bolt pistol. That's not right and it was not a heat shot I got picked up after. You get killed by those pistols way to much. Try to use them yourself for a try. You got like a 100 of em.
Blueprint For Murder Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2014.10.02 01:29:00 - [7] - Quote Nothing should have the power to one shot people with 0 draw backs.
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 364	Posted - 2014.10.02 02:11:00 - [8] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Nothing should have the power to one shot people with 0 draw backs. Um. Compared to other weapons, it has plenty of drawbacks. Also, if you have more than 500 or so HP, they can't OHK.
Trevor Manner CYBERDYNE SKYNET UK 0	Posted - 2014.10.02 02:53:00 - [9] - Quote The thing is we squad together a lot and I've seen him rage over it. I don't know which scares him more bolt pistols or cloaks.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1925	Posted - 2014.10.02 04:04:00 - [10] - Quote I've got to say the OP must have missed something there. As others have clearly stated this weapon is simply not capable of killing a suit with that much HP in a single shot. That being said the BP was tuned back a bit a day or so ago. Its RoF was reduced by 12%. Annecdotally I'd say it is in a much better place right now. Now with more evil.

KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1325	Posted - 2014.10.03 00:05:00 - [11] - Quote Came here to see a wide analysis on all reasons why a said weapon would be a no-brainer winners choice in most circumstances, backed by deep testing and wide experiences on both sides. Found a thread based purely on single unverified experience by a single person, annoyed by that he got killed. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Banjo Robertson Evzones Public.Disorder. 278	Posted - 2014.10.03 00:46:00 - [12] - Quote I haven't done any data testing to say whether the BP is over powered or not, but I can say that it is being used a lot more frequently. I have found myself surounded by multiple people who are all using them at the same time and its something I'm not really used to dealing with, and can feel overwhelming when being surrounded by a few good scounts who are using bolt pistols.
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1866	Posted - 2014.10.03 02:26:00 - [13] - Quote Base damage 229. Let's assume 3 complex sidearm mods for a total of 20.78% increase. Let's assume a commando cko for 10% extra damage. Let's assume 15% for proficiency 5. 229 + (229x0.2078) + (229x0.1) + (229x0.15) 229 + 47.5862 + 22.9 + 34.35 Total possible damage on armor after shield is 333.8362 damage. 225% headshot gives 333.8362x2.25 for a grand total of 751.1922 damage on a commando cko with 3 complex sidearm mods and prof 5 and achieving a headshot when shields are at 0. You got shot with something else. Listen to my muscle memory Contemplate what I've been clinging to Forty-six and two ahead of me
Mikel Arias Challengers 506 16	Posted - 2014.10.03 03:15:00 - [14] - Quote I do agree that its OP. I havent been killed in a sentinel or commando suit with a bolt pistol, but my scout died with one shot. Now, I know, a scout doesnt have a lot of armor nor shield (shield 87, armor 162) , but I have survived one shotgun shot before, so how come I die with a single shot from a bolt pistol? The same thing happened in my logistic suit (shield 163, armor 412). Besides, I have seen people running with that thing and killing heavies with four or five shots. That shouldnt be possible.
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 371	Posted - 2014.10.03 06:08:00 - [15] - Quote Mikel Arias wrote: I do agree that its OP. I havent been killed in a sentinel or commando suit with a bolt pistol, but my scout died with one shot. Now, I know, a scout doesnt have a lot of armor nor shield (shield 87, armor 162) , but I have survived one shotgun shot before, so how come I die with a single shot from a bolt pistol? The same thing happened in my logistic suit (shield 163, armor 412). Besides, I have seen people running with that thing and killing heavies with four or five shots. That shouldnt be possible. That is some of the most anecdotal evidence I've ever seen, and I feel the need to just tear it to peices. "...I have survived one shotgun shot before..." Was this only one time in the past. Or is this a recurring event for you? Did it ever occur to you that perhaps not all of the pellets from the shotgun hit you? Are you even aware of the mechanics of shotguns? "...so how come I die with a single shot from a bolt pistol?" Is this a recurring event? Or are you basing your opinion of a weapon on a single death you've had? For a scout suit with absolutely no HP mods at all, you should expect to die fast. That is just something you'll have to deal with. As for the time you died in your logi suit, he had damage modifiers and landed a headshot. That is if it was in fact a one hit kill and you aren't exaggerating. Then there's this. You seem to change your opinion of part of the weapons balance sometime during writing this. "I havent been killed in a sentinel or commando suit with a bolt pistol... ...I have seen people running with that thing and killing heavies with four or five shots." So what is it? Are they good at killing heavies, or bad? You don't even seem to have your own opinions straight. "...four or five shots." If somebody can kill a sentinel with four rounds from a bolt pistol, 2 of those shots, minimum, were headshots. GÇóOh and they don't even have 5 rounds in their magazines. I'm going to assume you just don't really even know much about the thing your complaining about, other than "it killed me, so Nerf it".
Foehammerr OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 66	Posted - 2014.10.03 19:11:00 - [16] - Quote I'm inclined to agree with the OP. He's right, but for the wrong reason. If it's already obviously replaced the Shotgun as the win - button weapon that everyone and their mother is using, something is up. Meta shouldn't switch overnight that fast unless something is unbalanced. *Rangers Lead The Way!* Beta Vet since 2/5/2013
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 437	Posted - 2014.10.03 19:23:00 - [17] - Quote DEMONWOLF4891 wrote: The bolt pistol is way to OP. My dropsuit with 700 armor and 300 shield got one shot by militia bolt pistol. That's not right and it was not a heat shot I got picked up after. Yes... everyone knows that Master of The Flaylock
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 827	Posted - 2014.10.04 16:07:00 - [18] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Mikel Arias wrote: I do agree that its OP. I havent been killed in a sentinel or commando suit with a bolt pistol, but my scout died with one shot. Now, I know, a scout doesnt have a lot of armor nor shield (shield 87, armor 162) , but I have survived one shotgun shot before, so how come I die with a single shot from a bolt pistol? The same thing happened in my logistic suit (shield 163, armor 412). Besides, I have seen people running with that thing and killing heavies with four or five shots. That shouldnt be possible. That is some of the most anecdotal evidence I've ever seen, and I feel the need to just tear it to peices. "...I have survived one shotgun shot before..." Was this only one time in the past. Or is this a recurring event for you? Did it ever occur to you that perhaps not all of the pellets from the shotgun hit you? Are you even aware of the mechanics of shotguns? "...so how come I die with a single shot from a bolt pistol?" Is this a recurring event? Or are you basing your opinion of a weapon on a single death you've had? For a scout suit with absolutely no HP mods at all, you should expect to die fast. That is just something you'll have to deal with. As for the time you died in your logi suit, he had damage modifiers and landed a headshot. That is if it was in fact a one hit kill and you aren't exaggerating. Then there's this. You seem to change your opinion of part of the weapons balance sometime during writing this. "I havent been killed in a sentinel or commando suit with a bolt pistol... ...I have seen people running with that thing and killing heavies with four or five shots." So what is it? Are they good at killing heavies, or bad? You don't even seem to have your own opinions straight. "...four or five shots." If somebody can kill a sentinel with four rounds from a bolt pistol, 2 of those shots, minimum, were headshots. GÇóOh and they don't even have 5 rounds in their magazines. I'm going to assume you just don't really even know much about the thing your complaining about, other than "it killed me, so Nerf it". I killed a sentinel with 3 shots from a bolt pistol and 1 shot from a breach scp...
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1874	Posted - 2014.10.04 17:45:00 - [19] - Quote The bolt pistol is deadly towards speed tanked scouts (i.e not brick tanked) I'm not going to cry about it as I have tried to adapt to stay away from them, but it does need tweaking further. And being of the rail rifle family the hit detection is totally bogus and random. Sometimes the thing will do no damage or not even shoot , other times it fires 'around corners' or even hits things it really should not be hitting. (This is common to all of the rail type weapons) "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 946	Posted - 2014.10.04 18:20:00 - [20] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: DEMONWOLF4891 wrote: The bolt pistol is way to OP. My dropsuit with 700 armor and 300 shield got one shot by militia bolt pistol. That's not right and it was not a heat shot I got picked up after. LOL? You got 1000 HP one shotted by a gun that cannot exceed 400 damage even with a HS... math actually it can. HS multipler of i think 300% and damage of 230-252 (depending on meta) so do the math [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 2 Forum Pariah



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