DUST Search - A Statement from a lone ADS Pilot. .

Vulpes Dolosus wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

How would you fix it?

Reduce rotation speed of a swarm and forge while locking/charging. This will allow a skilled pilot to get in close and orbit to break the locks and tracking of AV while still being susceptible to range attacks. Anyone outside the orbit of the ADS will still have an easy shot.

Increase ADS roll/pitch/yaw speed slightly to be more agile. This would not affect acceleration at all. Without an afterburner, it's painfully slow to maneuver and recover being hit, a little help in this area could go a long way.

Just a few ideas off the top of my head.

ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:

Vulpes Dolosus wrote:

The ADS is not useless.

It's a lot harder to fly and isn't as influential as it was in the past, but it can still do work in the right hands. Sure, I've had to change my tactics but, hey, adapt and die, right? No use crying over it. It's still a lot better than it was pre-1.7.

That being said and all, there are still a few things I want changed as I still don't think ADS vs AV is balanced at the moment.

Sounds like you havent tried a rail ads.

Oh, God the rail ADS is just AWFUL! I have lvl4 Incubus and I swear it shoots slower than lvl0 pre-Delta. Not to mention it only gets like 6-7 shots now before overheating. Anti-air is almost impossible, I've switched to only using my Python, even attacking other Pythons. Only things I've managed to kill with it are grounded, unpiloted Gorgans and even that took me a bit.

RoF needs slight increase (honestly the ADS skill should be 5%, but I haven't done the math on that yet), and it's overheat put back to where it was.

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Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 141	Posted - 2014.09.28 02:39:00 - [1] - Quote The ADS as of now is quite useless. That's a fact. I'd rather have one of the Devs have themselves "Cheat" and skill themselves into the ADS if possible. Before any more the Devs state them as past OP and Them still being viable in the field, I want one of you to see how hard it is to fly such a dropship and do one of your said strafe runs and tell me exactly how that works out for you. Pain is weakness leaving the body.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2466	Posted - 2014.09.28 02:39:00 - [2] - Quote Hmm "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 628	Posted - 2014.09.28 02:43:00 - [3] - Quote So thats why im having matches where AV actually have a chance to kill me and I have to actually ask squad mates to deal with Multiple Swarm/Forgers that if I engaged id almost certainly die being outnumbered and unable to Afterburn away all the time. I mean damn, balance is so OP. Only Dust player with all Proto Weapons Prof 1. 19/19. Pilot, Slayer, Logibro, Heavy, Scout, Tanker, AV'er. Everything.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2466	Posted - 2014.09.28 02:44:00 - [4] - Quote I like that every time I visit this thread, it flip-flops between my original post and my edited post... "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2164	Posted - 2014.09.28 04:35:00 - [5] - Quote The ADS is not useless. It's a lot harder to fly and isn't as influential as it was in the past, but it can still do work in the right hands. Sure, I've had to change my tactics but, hey, adapt and die, right? No use crying over it. It's still a lot better than it was pre-1.7. That being said and all, there are still a few things I want changed as I still don't think ADS vs AV is balanced at the moment. Dust was real! I was there!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5301	Posted - 2014.09.28 04:35:00 - [6] - Quote How would you fix it? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 182	Posted - 2014.09.28 04:37:00 - [7] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: The ADS is not useless. It's a lot harder to fly and isn't as influential as it was in the past, but it can still do work in the right hands. Sure, I've had to change my tactics but, hey, adapt and die, right? No use crying over it. It's still a lot better than it was pre-1.7. That being said and all, there are still a few things I want changed as I still don't think ADS vs AV is balanced at the moment. Sounds like you havent tried a rail ads.
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2164	Posted - 2014.09.28 04:43:00 - [8] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: How would you fix it? Reduce rotation speed of a swarm and forge while locking/charging. This will allow a skilled pilot to get in close and orbit to break the locks and tracking of AV while still being susceptible to range attacks. Anyone outside the orbit of the ADS will still have an easy shot. Increase ADS roll/pitch/yaw speed slightly to be more agile. This would not affect acceleration at all. Without an afterburner, it's painfully slow to maneuver and recover being hit, a little help in this area could go a long way. Just a few ideas off the top of my head. ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: The ADS is not useless. It's a lot harder to fly and isn't as influential as it was in the past, but it can still do work in the right hands. Sure, I've had to change my tactics but, hey, adapt and die, right? No use crying over it. It's still a lot better than it was pre-1.7. That being said and all, there are still a few things I want changed as I still don't think ADS vs AV is balanced at the moment. Sounds like you havent tried a rail ads. Oh, God the rail ADS is just AWFUL! I have lvl4 Incubus and I swear it shoots slower than lvl0 pre-Delta. Not to mention it only gets like 6-7 shots now before overheating. Anti-air is almost impossible, I've switched to only using my Python, even attacking other Pythons. Only things I've managed to kill with it are grounded, unpiloted Gorgans and even that took me a bit. RoF needs slight increase (honestly the ADS skill should be 5%, but I haven't done the math on that yet), and it's overheat put back to where it was. Dust was real! I was there!
Orphan Shadow Waiting For Deployment 114	Posted - 2014.09.28 07:07:00 - [9] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: The ADS as of now is quite useless. That's a fact. Then you're doing it wrong. Fly it with yes.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 182	Posted - 2014.09.28 07:14:00 - [10] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: How would you fix it? Reduce rotation speed of a swarm and forge while locking/charging. This will allow a skilled pilot to get in close and orbit to break the locks and tracking of AV while still being susceptible to range attacks. Anyone outside the orbit of the ADS will still have an easy shot. Increase ADS roll/pitch/yaw speed slightly to be more agile. This would not affect acceleration at all. Without an afterburner, it's painfully slow to maneuver and recover being hit, a little help in this area could go a long way. Just a few ideas off the top of my head. ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: The ADS is not useless. It's a lot harder to fly and isn't as influential as it was in the past, but it can still do work in the right hands. Sure, I've had to change my tactics but, hey, adapt and die, right? No use crying over it. It's still a lot better than it was pre-1.7. That being said and all, there are still a few things I want changed as I still don't think ADS vs AV is balanced at the moment. Sounds like you havent tried a rail ads. Oh, God the rail ADS is just AWFUL! I have lvl4 Incubus and I swear it shoots slower than lvl0 pre-Delta. Not to mention it only gets like 6-7 shots now before overheating. Anti-air is almost impossible, I've switched to only using my Python, even attacking other Pythons. Only things I've managed to kill with it are grounded, unpiloted Gorgans and even that took me a bit. RoF needs slight increase (honestly the ADS skill should be 5%, but I haven't done the math on that yet), and it's overheat put back to where it was. If you get 2 maxed incubus pilots your gunner will shoot 5 shots.5 shots (Base is 7). A 2.5 mil skill and it punushes you for gunning. This nerf was so rushed and poorly thought out.

ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 182	Posted - 2014.09.28 07:22:00 - [11] - Quote Also the hit detection on rails, you might get 2/5 shots to land.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2133	Posted - 2014.09.28 07:23:00 - [12] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: The ADS is not useless. It's a lot harder to fly and isn't as influential as it was in the past, but it can still do work in the right hands. Sure, I've had to change my tactics but, hey, adapt and die, right? No use crying over it. It's still a lot better than it was pre-1.7. That being said and all, there are still a few things I want changed as I still don't think ADS vs AV is balanced at the moment. Sounds like you havent tried a rail ads. You mean the Gallente ADS skill which actually makes it worse, only able to fire 7 rounds before it overheats? I haven't tried it yet, but from what I've read from pilots on here, it's actually better to not skill into it at all so you can fire more rounds before overheating. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1217	Posted - 2014.09.28 07:55:00 - [13] - Quote Plays a squad based vehicle solo, complains it doesn't do well. Original Commando, before all you posers just saying
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 150	Posted - 2014.09.28 13:24:00 - [14] - Quote If I act like I am god and run at a group of heavies with Assault and die I am an idiot. If a pilot wants to be god and runs at a AV'er it means the game is broken. Get over it to kill a ADS I either need to be already running around with a forge gun, swarm launchers or plasma cannon or play Commando and already have a proto swarm which will eat CPU, or run my butt down to a supply depot or suicide to get a weapon only good for one purpose. No one is forcing you to play ADS 24/7 if you put all your points into one vehicle then it sucks to be you. Constantly whining about a rate of fire nerf and how the weapons meant to kill you dare to succeed doesn't mean jack because those same AV'er tend to be weak to infantry.
XxVEXESxX 31	Posted - 2014.09.28 13:35:00 - [15] - Quote Why does everyone think an ads doesnt need support... it has 4 seats for a reason. These posts need to end already. PSN: XxVEXESxX Minmatar loyalist Dropsuit Upgrades level 5
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 150	Posted - 2014.09.28 13:38:00 - [16] - Quote XxVEXESxX wrote: Why does everyone think an ads doesnt need support... it has 4 seats for a reason. These posts need to end already. The seats are for the buckets of tears pilots seem to be shedding alot now.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1227	Posted - 2014.09.28 14:44:00 - [17] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Also the hit detection on rails, you might get 2/5 shots to land. That's why you can't spam , it causes one to use skill to time and aim up in position .. your shots . Actually the changes to me has increase the fun in flying ADS's . It was just that one had to skill up and didn't have to have actual skill but now , everything takes thought and planning . You have to target and not just spam an area to get results . Before the changes , it was just too easy to kill infantry if you skilled up but now it takes personal skill along with the skilling up . To me it's exciting and part of the reason that I'm flying much more these days . Edit : All I use are rails and always have and now it's so much more fun . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16872	Posted - 2014.09.28 16:11:00 - [18] - Quote Went 3 matches without dying so far, lets see how long I can keep this puppy alive. Had an extremely close call with a missile tank good thing he couldn't track the last half of his magazine. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked


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