DUST Search - To CCP: I've Returned, and With Questions.

Malleus Malificorum wrote:

Lynn Beck wrote:

Malleus Malificorum wrote:

Lynn Beck wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

For those quoting EVE you're doing it wrong.

Minmatar primary damage is explosive (armor busting) but with selectable ammo for sepecific things.

Amarr primary laser damage is EM/Thermal: shield destroyer weapons. Crap vs. Armor tank.

Gallente is thermal/kinetic. Balanced against both with a slight edge over shields.

Caldari prever kinetic/thermal. Balanced with slight edge over armor.

Projectiles universally deal Kinetic, while Explosive is a sub-damage type, usually higher than their main damage, but still a sub damage.

Lasers also come with Conflagration- an Explosive crystal.

Sooo yeah.

But that's ****ing wrong idiot. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Conflagration_S

Conflag: Range -50% 7.7:7.7 EM:THERMAL 15.4 damage

Exactly 50% em / therm. I'd really appreciate it if you stopped trying to pull references from eve, as it's clear with even the most cursory knowledge you don't have a goddamn ****ing clue what you're talking about. No laser crystal does anything other than EM or Therm (in varying amounts). No hybrid charge does anything other than kinetic or thermal in varying amounts.

As far as 'projectiles doing kinetic' yes, they do *some* kinetic on every charge - however the best damage:range charges have EXTREME AMOUNTS OF EXPLOSIVE DAMAGE. Specialist rounds (therm/em/kin) tend to lose either a lot of damage, a lot of range or have other very nasty penalties associated with them in comparison to the explosive rounds.

You're spouting all of these things and I doubt you've ever even played eve, nor are you even resorting to google to factcheck your information.

My bad, i meant Scorch.
My point was that Lasers had Explosive damage.

STILL WRONG ****HEAD. Absolutely ZERO laser crystals do anything other than thermal or em in varying amounts. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Scorch_S

You were linked to a place where you could have checked this. Lasers do not do explosive damage. EVER.


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Lynn Beck Fooly Cooly. 2101	Posted - 2014.09.25 20:19:00 - [1] - Quote CCP: Bravo on the previous patches, you've actually made me reinstall, and play 1-3 matches a day, congratulations on that. However, you're seriously making me HATE being a Minmatar: on the projectile profile update- WHY did you make it Psuedo Explosive?! Against a STANDARD calsent using a Six Kin ACR on a MK.0 Commando, WITH Prof 2 or 3, it took me THREE clips to drop his shields, and he stood there, pelleting me with 40m HMG. Using my SMG: i like it, although it struggles WAY too much against shield, EVEN Galscout's 90 shields seems to take 6-8 shots to clear(SK9M Breach with Prof 3), which is ridiculous considering it's ripping apart my 448/369 HP before i even drop his shields. In terms of my Flaylock: Bravo again, i haven't checked numbers, but i got 4 splash kills on severely wounded targets using it. Everything else Minmatar though, is absolutely completely **** now(unless you're a heathen and carry Fluxes, or use Imperial things -shudder-) In terms of a Sidearm my ACR is pretty fine n dandy General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Lynn Beck Fooly Cooly. 2101	Posted - 2014.09.25 20:24:00 - [2] - Quote As for a proposal/request: Can we PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS KITTEN, change Projectile to -5%/+5%, as that follows the EVElopedia which states: goes to copy/paste taken from HERE: Quote: Projectile ammunition always does some amount of kinetic damage, as well as one or more other types depending on the ammo. Projectile ammunition can cover a wide range of damage types and uses, so you can select something to use for general situations, or you can tailor your choice to certain damage types. This complete abandonment of EVE's design in favor of "wahh wahh CR eat shield, must break CR, OH, CR eat armor? MAKE IT SO!" General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Lynn Beck Fooly Cooly. 2106	Posted - 2014.09.26 01:41:00 - [3] - Quote With lasers, they have the single HIGHEST DPS ratings, SCR can psuedo-alpha strike my 900 HP minassault, SCP can 1 hit headshot me, and Laser Rifle can melt ANY suit within an overheat, so their ONLY disadvantage, if that's what you call it, is against 1300 armor sents. Laser: in eve it is still effective against armor, but not as effective as against shields(from what i've heard, but it makes sense to me.) Hybrid: Plasma/Rail are both the same in EVE, but they generally fare worse against armor than shield. Projectile: the most equally balanced amongst the tank types - but has a SLIGHT tendency towards Armor. Main drawback of this ammo is the short optimal, and is a lot more "random" at applying damage at range. Missiles: Used more or less equally by all races(gallente use Drones in place of missiles), their ammo types are single damage type, and are the only weapons with travel time. To carry this into DUST, IDEALLY Projectile would take Rail's damage profile, and Rail would join Hybrid, OR since Rails might behave differently in atmosphere than space- keep its current profile and give Projectile the -5% +5%, although i personally found no problem with -5% +10%, just that the weapons needed to follow EVE in terms of range. Technically has a longer range than Plasma Hybrid, but comparatively to the other races' ranges, is very, VERY short - however it has a VERY long Effective. Example numbers: AR Optimal 35 Effective 60, CR Optimal 38 or 40 Effective 90-120, SCR Optimal 50 Effective 75-80, RR Optimal 60 Effective 140. However, I do not propose this happen, as it would throw off many variables i do not know, nor do I care enough to go through and change each one. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Lynn Beck Fooly Cooly. 2106	Posted - 2014.09.26 01:53:00 - [4] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: We don't have specialized ammo; you're mostly shooting titanium or carbonized lead right now. Also for the game's sake it brings advantages to shield tanking. Earlier today won against a gal sentinel because my shields held out longer than his armor did and I murdered the ever loving crap out of that armor. It brings shield tanking into being valid again because... why? Against ARs it melts, against Rail Rifles it melts, against SCRs it's nonexistent, against Shotguns you might as well be running a Sentinel to get 1 more shot of life out of that suit, against Snipers you're only fooling yourself if you think shield tanking will be ideal against them, I fail to see any single weapon that TRUELY manages to be disadvantaged against shields, even ones that are SUPPOSED to be(cough rail rifle). All other weapons with "major" differences in their damage types carry HUGE increases in performance than others: MD has splash range and moderately high alpha, SCR/LR/ScrP have headshot modifiers, or insane amounts of damage/heat increase, Rail weapons gain huge range and alpha damage, Plasma weaponry (most of them at least) either do so much alpha that shields are irrelevant(or total HP for that matter), or they have a high enough DPS/mag empty time that they're not ever disadvantaged against shield tankers. But my CR/ACR has the lowest damage/mag out of all rifles, has the shortest mag empty time, and now suffers HORRIBLY against shields. Oh, and the DPS, range, headshot modifiers, and any other "special" ability that this thing could have are removed, because the CR WAS OP, but: Just like the Flaylock, it must now live in mediocrity or "support" weapon status for the next 3 years or until CCP shuts off DUST. Remember when the Flaylock was first introduced? people cried RIVERS of tears and had that thing ripped to pieces within the month, and every time I(or another Minmatar/rocket pistol enthusiast) said "dude, we can't have a useless gun, PLEASE do something to make it usable" everyone says Quote: Naaaaah man, We can't bring that back to its' previous OPness. And here we are again. CR is now a finisher weapon, with no cool feature to it other than "looks like Scar, make dakka", and when i say "hey guys, this isnt' a general use rifle, this is a support weapon now." you all say Quote: Naaaaah man, We can't bring that back to its' previous OPness. So thanks, you all hate Minmatar to the point where you want the CR to be a Minmatar Commando's SIDEARM, but then will cry more rivers of tears to make your Sniper Rifle or Ion Pistol "beastmode/viable" General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Lynn Beck Fooly Cooly. 2107	Posted - 2014.09.26 06:27:00 - [5] - Quote Haha, look my fans have gathered around! Do you seriously think you're going to make me upset or something at your comment? "Aww boohoo! Someone on the internet who's a nobody doesn't like me, i think i'll go kill myself now" You wish, buddy. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Lynn Beck Fooly Cooly. 2107	Posted - 2014.09.26 06:29:00 - [6] - Quote castba wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: With lasers, they have the single HIGHEST DPS ratings, SCR can psuedo-alpha strike my 900 HP minassault, SCP can 1 hit headshot me, and Laser Rifle can melt ANY suit within an overheat, so their ONLY disadvantage, if that's what you call it, is against 1300 armor sents. aSCR is more of an accurate comparison to the aCR which was your example. 1300 armour hp sentinel is painful to take down with the aSCR. Other suits are not as bad, but when there are 800 armour assaults running around... Besides a cal heavy, can you name another suit that is tough to take down with either the aCR or the CR? Calscout, Calassault, Galscouts who twintank, Anything with over 300 shields, anything out past 50m or so, anything with a RR, anything with a Bolt Pistol, anything with a SCR(when i'm in a 270/450 Min Assault) And any heavy except Min. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Lynn Beck Fooly Cooly. 2107	Posted - 2014.09.26 07:33:00 - [7] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: -snip- So you're saying then, for my Swarm launcher Minmando(which I skilled into knowing would be a huge want in PC(lol)) That i should use something utterly NOT bonused, then? I'd be better off with an AR or RR then, correct? As for shield tanking now becoming viable because the least effective non Rail/Explosive weapon got it's anti shield capability nerfed is... how? SCRs still nullify shields completely. GARs make shield tankers wish they were either Tanks or Armor tanked, while Rail Rifles(which are penalized against Shield) still manage to chew through it in CQC/Range/Med, and yet when a CR/SMG suddenly gets nerfed to make "Shields more viable" then... what, exactly? I'm still going to play, sure, but i'm probably not going to enjoy it, I'll simply play with my 9 other weapons, and possibly delete all minmatar gear that isn't Flaylock/Breach SMG from my fits. Hello shotgun/SMG, on a Min Assault. I guess what i'm trying to say is, A/CR is genuinely disadvantaged now, and gains little to nothing for it, compared to a SCR which gains Headshot, Charge, and Range for... "ooh, that 800 armor took me 1 extra shot to kill than shields" Maybe 3/4, but still hardly a "hard counter". General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Lynn Beck Fooly Cooly. 2107	Posted - 2014.09.26 09:05:00 - [8] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: For those quoting EVE you're doing it wrong. Minmatar primary damage is explosive (armor busting) but with selectable ammo for sepecific things. Amarr primary laser damage is EM/Thermal: shield destroyer weapons. Crap vs. Armor tank. Gallente is thermal/kinetic. Balanced against both with a slight edge over shields. Caldari prever kinetic/thermal. Balanced with slight edge over armor. Projectiles universally deal Kinetic, while Explosive is a sub-damage type, usually higher than their main damage, but still a sub damage. Lasers also come with Conflagration- an Explosive crystal. Sooo yeah. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Lynn Beck Fooly Cooly. 2111	Posted - 2014.09.27 01:14:00 - [9] - Quote Malleus Malificorum wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: For those quoting EVE you're doing it wrong. Minmatar primary damage is explosive (armor busting) but with selectable ammo for sepecific things. Amarr primary laser damage is EM/Thermal: shield destroyer weapons. Crap vs. Armor tank. Gallente is thermal/kinetic. Balanced against both with a slight edge over shields. Caldari prever kinetic/thermal. Balanced with slight edge over armor. Projectiles universally deal Kinetic, while Explosive is a sub-damage type, usually higher than their main damage, but still a sub damage. Lasers also come with Conflagration- an Explosive crystal. Sooo yeah. But that's **ing wrong idiot. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Conflagration_S Conflag: Range -50% 7.7:7.7 EM:THERMAL 15.4 damage Exactly 50% em / therm. I'd really appreciate it if you stopped trying to pull references from eve, as it's clear with even the most cursory knowledge you don't have a goddamn *ing clue what you're talking about. No laser crystal does anything other than EM or Therm (in varying amounts). No hybrid charge does anything other than kinetic or thermal in varying amounts. As far as 'projectiles doing kinetic' yes, they do some* kinetic on every charge - however the best damage:range charges have EXTREME AMOUNTS OF EXPLOSIVE DAMAGE. Specialist rounds (therm/em/kin) tend to lose either a lot of damage, a lot of range or have other very nasty penalties associated with them in comparison to the explosive rounds. You're spouting all of these things and I doubt you've ever even played eve, nor are you even resorting to google to factcheck your information. My bad, i meant Scorch. My point was that Lasers had Explosive damage. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Lynn Beck Fooly Cooly. 2111	Posted - 2014.09.27 04:31:00 - [10] - Quote Malleus Malificorum wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Malleus Malificorum wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: For those quoting EVE you're doing it wrong. Minmatar primary damage is explosive (armor busting) but with selectable ammo for sepecific things. Amarr primary laser damage is EM/Thermal: shield destroyer weapons. Crap vs. Armor tank. Gallente is thermal/kinetic. Balanced against both with a slight edge over shields. Caldari prever kinetic/thermal. Balanced with slight edge over armor. Projectiles universally deal Kinetic, while Explosive is a sub-damage type, usually higher than their main damage, but still a sub damage. Lasers also come with Conflagration- an Explosive crystal. Sooo yeah. But that's **ing wrong idiot. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Conflagration_S Conflag: Range -50% 7.7:7.7 EM:THERMAL 15.4 damage Exactly 50% em / therm. I'd really appreciate it if you stopped trying to pull references from eve, as it's clear with even the most cursory knowledge you don't have a goddamn *ing clue what you're talking about. No laser crystal does anything other than EM or Therm (in varying amounts). No hybrid charge does anything other than kinetic or thermal in varying amounts. As far as 'projectiles doing kinetic' yes, they do some* kinetic on every charge - however the best damage:range charges have EXTREME AMOUNTS OF EXPLOSIVE DAMAGE. Specialist rounds (therm/em/kin) tend to lose either a lot of damage, a lot of range or have other very nasty penalties associated with them in comparison to the explosive rounds. You're spouting all of these things and I doubt you've ever even played eve, nor are you even resorting to google to factcheck your information. My bad, i meant Scorch. My point was that Lasers had Explosive damage. STILL WRONG ****HEAD. Absolutely ZERO laser crystals do anything other than thermal or em in varying amounts. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Scorch_S You were linked to a place where you could have checked this. Lasers do not do explosive damage. EVER. Getting upset at a person having information wrong, excellent. I could've sworn there was a laser crystal that had Explosive, and i'm not even sure how that came up. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation