DUST Search - question for swarm users

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

Atiim wrote:

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

I just don't see the problem with assaults that most of you are talking about .

The problem is that you could do the same with the normal SL but without 2x the ISK price and CPU/PG higher than a Viziam Scrambler Rifle.

I don't look at it like that , most of these players try to fit proto everything on their person , I place on me what is the most useful for the occasion and if it's assault swarms , I make sure that I'm built strong enough to support myself but at the same time deal the most damage with every volley .

What's the difference when your placing complex shield enhancers or damage mods or repairers , they take up a lot of PG / CPU as well but that doesn't stop players from running triple damage mods on a scout or assault or triple reps or kin cats or armor mods .

I build my suits around what that focus for that suit is and what I have skilled into .

I don't always go with damage because that leaves a lot of other area's uncovered but when you have your core maxed , it's easy to do multiple things , I don't have mine maxed so I have to work with what I have to the best of my abilities .

The PG / CPU doesn't bother me as long as my support system is enough to keep me constant .

It's no different then a proto player doing the same , except I'm not a proto player .

If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known.

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SILENT GIANT FATHERS-AND-SONS 86	Posted - 2014.09.23 17:12:00 - [1] - Quote Do you find the assault variant more usefull than focusing all your efforts on one target? Not sure whether to get the Ishukone or the wiyrkomi. Seems like the assault would end up biting you in the ass since your spreading the damage across two targets than one?
NAV HIV The Generals 2139	Posted - 2014.09.23 17:19:00 - [2] - Quote Wiyrkomi :)
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2436	Posted - 2014.09.23 17:20:00 - [3] - Quote Assault is Terribad, I've never been killed by one, and you rarely see them on the killfeed. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1533	Posted - 2014.09.23 17:24:00 - [4] - Quote The only way the assault would be worthwhile is if you had a squad of them. They need to remove the dual targeting and make it more assault-y We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
SILENT GIANT FATHERS-AND-SONS 86	Posted - 2014.09.23 17:36:00 - [5] - Quote Well thanks, I've upgraded my av minmando to proto weaponry. I did decent with it before, should be a nice improvement. Hope the vehicle drivers have a competent team or at least bpo's cause I'm gonna blow a hole in someones wallet. Ok, ok.... I'll be realistic now. I'll prob end up blowing a hole in my own wallet, but all in good fun.
Atiim 12420	Posted - 2014.09.23 17:45:00 - [6] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: The only way the assault would be worthwhile is if you had a squad of them. They need to remove the dual targeting and make it more assault-y Even if you had a squad of them, you're still taking twice as long to lock onto the same targets, while splitting the damage in half. Because of that, you'll achieve the exact same results by having people fire at targets individually. To the OP: Don't fit ASLs unless you like seeing it's name in the kill-feed. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5762	Posted - 2014.09.23 17:54:00 - [7] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: The only way the assault would be worthwhile is if you had a squad of them. They need to remove the dual targeting and make it more assault-y Maybe halving the lock on time or removing it. Give it the damage profile of the normal swarm launcher but remove two missiles. So you'd get off shots very quick but it would be 2 missiles per shot. It would be half damage per clip, but the reduced/removed lock on time means that you are reloading quicker and so, applying more DPS. That was pure brainfart by the way, iv literally just made that up. "An abnormally heightened consciousness of one's self, which leads to a viscous circle of heightened awareness of self."
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5762	Posted - 2014.09.23 17:56:00 - [8] - Quote I used the assault variant once in beta, I think it is crap and pointless unless you are THE lav hunter lol. "An abnormally heightened consciousness of one's self, which leads to a viscous circle of heightened awareness of self."
SILENT GIANT FATHERS-AND-SONS 87	Posted - 2014.09.23 18:20:00 - [9] - Quote Kinda figured that about the assault just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. With all the swarm talk in delta you'd think the assault woulda got a little love. I guess if the best one is the cheapest its win-win. Glad I didn't waste 45k on a turd launcher
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1564	Posted - 2014.09.23 18:49:00 - [10] - Quote It was really good when half a volley could kill a BPO LAV... I remember those days fondly. Now, no use. I only see them get kills if someone else worked really hard and got robbed. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...

shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2849	Posted - 2014.09.23 18:51:00 - [11] - Quote Split damage between two targets... meh... You can use it if all your team is AV and you want to steal 2 vehicle kills XD PSN: ogamega "Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items" LOCK REGIONS
MrShooter01 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 865	Posted - 2014.09.23 18:54:00 - [12] - Quote A week ago, an assault swarm launcher killed my sica while I was taking damage from a blaster installation I would have been less embarrassed if it was a militia plasma cannon or nova knives
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 783	Posted - 2014.09.23 18:56:00 - [13] - Quote i'd prefer the assaults to be morphed into an Ariel AV version. lower the damage slightly but increase lock range to 250. only thing is if CCP could make it so the diff versions of swarms could only lock onto certain vehicle types or not Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
SILENT GIANT FATHERS-AND-SONS 88	Posted - 2014.09.23 20:15:00 - [14] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Thumb Green wrote: The only way the assault would be worthwhile is if you had a squad of them. They need to remove the dual targeting and make it more assault-y Maybe halving the lock on time or removing it. Give it the damage profile of the normal swarm launcher but remove two missiles. So you'd get off shots very quick but it would be 2 missiles per shot. It would be half damage per clip, but the reduced/removed lock on time means that you are reloading quicker and so, applying more DPS. That was pure brainfart by the way, iv literally just made that up. Or something similar and poss easier would be to copy and paste the changes to missile launchers where you have the option to load desired amount at a time. Sometimes all it would take is one more hit, but by time you go through entire reload they got away. I'm hoping I'm not gonna have that prob anymore with my shiny new toys. Well see when I get my crazy juices under control and can enjoy a game.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 953	Posted - 2014.09.23 20:29:00 - [15] - Quote assault variant unusabe Please support fair play!
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1216	Posted - 2014.09.23 22:33:00 - [16] - Quote I use assault's all the time and I just don't see what you people are seeing . The specialist to me are horrible because of that increased lock on time , it seems like it's three times the lock on time sometimes and if your not in a trap area for vehicles , they get away easily . I just don't see the problem with assaults that most of you are talking about . I smash with assault swarms , but I do swarm and anti-vehicle every match ... I swarm way more then I forge . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Assault Swarm Launcher Caldari State 265	Posted - 2014.09.23 22:44:00 - [17] - Quote Please use me. Even if it's just this one time, please! "Chances are I'm going to kill you or replace you with something new..." -CCP Logibro
SILENT GIANT FATHERS-AND-SONS 90	Posted - 2014.09.23 22:46:00 - [18] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I use assault's all the time and I just don't see what you people are seeing . The specialist to me are horrible because of that increased lock on time , it seems like it's three times the lock on time sometimes and if your not in a trap area for vehicles , they get away easily . I just don't see the problem with assaults that most of you are talking about . I smash with assault swarms , but I do swarm and anti-vehicle every match ... I swarm way more then I forge . Are you smashing two vehicles at once, besides Jeeps? If you have only one target, than the assault is gonna be the same as the other, but if you have two targets your just gonna annoy two tanks and not get anything accomplished but drawing attention to yourself. I guess it would kinda suck if it locked on to an unmanned enemy turret while trying to take out a vehicle, and not only caused the enemy to come find you but now you got the turret firing back as well.
SILENT GIANT FATHERS-AND-SONS 90	Posted - 2014.09.23 22:48:00 - [19] - Quote Assault Swarm Launcher wrote: Please use me. Even if it's just this one time, please! Whatever, I'll give it a go, I guess it'll be a jeep hunter. I should be able to knock out two jeeps w 1 clip right?
Atiim 12434	Posted - 2014.09.23 22:49:00 - [20] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I just don't see the problem with assaults that most of you are talking about . The problem is that you could do the same with the normal SL but without 2x the ISK price and CPU/PG higher than a Viziam Scrambler Rifle. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND

Assault Swarm Launcher Caldari State 266	Posted - 2014.09.23 22:51:00 - [21] - Quote SILENT GIANT wrote: Assault Swarm Launcher wrote: Please use me. Even if it's just this one time, please! Whatever, I'll give it a go, I guess it'll be a jeep hunter. I should be able to knock out two jeeps w 1 clip right? Yes. "Chances are I'm going to kill you or replace you with something new..." -CCP Logibro
SILENT GIANT FATHERS-AND-SONS 90	Posted - 2014.09.23 23:02:00 - [22] - Quote Atiim wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I just don't see the problem with assaults that most of you are talking about . The problem is that you could do the same with the normal SL but without 2x the ISK price and CPU/PG higher than a Viziam Scrambler Rifle. I forgot about cpu/pg, when I bought the wyrikomi I had to swap uplink out for hive(not a prob), but I did notice the assault was a bit higher. I'll kick the kid off in a bit and try them out. I already made my choice but I told ASL I'd at least try. 45k isk im not trying too many times though.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1218	Posted - 2014.09.23 23:16:00 - [23] - Quote SILENT GIANT wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I use assault's all the time and I just don't see what you people are seeing . The specialist to me are horrible because of that increased lock on time , it seems like it's three times the lock on time sometimes and if your not in a trap area for vehicles , they get away easily . I just don't see the problem with assaults that most of you are talking about . I smash with assault swarms , but I do swarm and anti-vehicle every match ... I swarm way more then I forge . Are you smashing two vehicles at once, besides Jeeps? If you have only one target, than the assault is gonna be the same as the other, but if you have two targets your just gonna annoy two tanks and not get anything accomplished but drawing attention to yourself. I guess it would kinda suck if it locked on to an unmanned enemy turret while trying to take out a vehicle, and not only caused the enemy to come find you but now you got the turret firing back as well. I can solo HAV's and Derps because I don't split my shots , I focus on one at a time and spam volleys at whatever is my focal point so that I can move on to the next object . I don't get caught up in trying to kill or damage two vehicles at once , if there two HAV's in the same area , I take out the one that I deem easiest and then focus on the other , most of the times ... they run into each other trying to avoid swarms so as long as they are in the same area , that's easier to me because I can put up volleys with the best of them . One to the other , with focus on the weakest to the strongest . I can solo with my forge as well so I guess it's who is using what because I anti-vehicle every match and when I say every I mean every , I can HMG in the compound , snipe in the hills but I always focus on anti-vehicle because it goes forgotten most of the time . Most players scout , use ADS's , use heavies , assault , commando and logi . I try to do what most are not so that nothing goes without , I play a support role and I focus on that . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1218	Posted - 2014.09.23 23:27:00 - [24] - Quote Atiim wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I just don't see the problem with assaults that most of you are talking about . The problem is that you could do the same with the normal SL but without 2x the ISK price and CPU/PG higher than a Viziam Scrambler Rifle. I don't look at it like that , most of these players try to fit proto everything on their person , I place on me what is the most useful for the occasion and if it's assault swarms , I make sure that I'm built strong enough to support myself but at the same time deal the most damage with every volley . What's the difference when your placing complex shield enhancers or damage mods or repairers , they take up a lot of PG / CPU as well but that doesn't stop players from running triple damage mods on a scout or assault or triple reps or kin cats or armor mods . I build my suits around what that focus for that suit is and what I have skilled into . I don't always go with damage because that leaves a lot of other area's uncovered but when you have your core maxed , it's easy to do multiple things , I don't have mine maxed so I have to work with what I have to the best of my abilities . The PG / CPU doesn't bother me as long as my support system is enough to keep me constant . It's no different then a proto player doing the same , except I'm not a proto player . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
SILENT GIANT FATHERS-AND-SONS 90	Posted - 2014.09.23 23:33:00 - [25] - Quote I gotcha man, I try to find a need fill a need in battle as well. Its amazing how many tanks can be pummeling blueberries and no one thinks to switch to av. If I'm the only av out there WP racks up like crazy! I tend to stay away from stacking the mods w penalties. Not worth the isk / reduced performance.
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1567	Posted - 2014.09.23 23:48:00 - [26] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Atiim wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I just don't see the problem with assaults that most of you are talking about . The problem is that you could do the same with the normal SL but without 2x the ISK price and CPU/PG higher than a Viziam Scrambler Rifle. I don't look at it like that , most of these players try to fit proto everything on their person , I place on me what is the most useful for the occasion and if it's assault swarms , I make sure that I'm built strong enough to support myself but at the same time deal the most damage with every volley . What's the difference when your placing complex shield enhancers or damage mods or repairers , they take up a lot of PG / CPU as well but that doesn't stop players from running triple damage mods on a scout or assault or triple reps or kin cats or armor mods . I build my suits around what that focus for that suit is and what I have skilled into . I don't always go with damage because that leaves a lot of other area's uncovered but when you have your core maxed , it's easy to do multiple things , I don't have mine maxed so I have to work with what I have to the best of my abilities . The PG / CPU doesn't bother me as long as my support system is enough to keep me constant . It's no different then a proto player doing the same , except I'm not a proto player . ...but there is no point behind using the Assault when the Vanilla can do the same thing to one vehicle. You have no additional damage output, faster lock, anything. You hamper your fit for the same damage output. This isn't a Proto v something else. This is a Proto Swarm v Proto Assault Swarm. You have 4 missiles, they have the same damage output and lock. One has lower cost, CPU, and PG while one can lock 2 targets. If you engage 1 at a time, there is no feasible reason to use an Assault except to hamper yourself. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1218	Posted - 2014.09.24 01:56:00 - [27] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: ...but there is no point behind using the Assault when the Vanilla can do the same thing to one vehicle. You have no additional damage output, faster lock, anything. You hamper your fit for the same damage output. This isn't a Proto v something else. This is a Proto Swarm v Proto Assault Swarm. You have 4 missiles, they have the same damage output and lock. One has lower cost, CPU, and PG while one can lock 2 targets. If you engage 1 at a time, there is no feasible reason to use an Assault except to hamper yourself. I'm not hampering myself if I can relieve some stress from my team mates in battle and given the chance , it's what I do . I'm not going to dispute with anyone about the methods that I choose to use because it works for me and I'm not changing anything as long as it works , It's not hard given the condition of vehicles now and how anti-vehicle is somewhat overpowered and I understand that others don't feel the way that I do but I anti-vehicle every match and I see what can and can not be done and I have a nice amount in vehicles as well so I know the in's and out's somewhat . Having knowledge of both helps me more then can be explained and I also understand my limits of what I can and can't do and it's been working for me so far and I haven't had to change one thing , if anything .. I believe that's helping me to become better in what I do . Play a match with me or against me and see how I wreck vehicles . I use all swarms , not just exclusively assaults .. so I'm not as limited as you would believe . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
buzzzzzzz killllllllll Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 695	Posted - 2014.09.24 02:11:00 - [28] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I use assault's all the time and I just don't see what you people are seeing . The specialist to me are horrible because of that increased lock on time , it seems like it's three times the lock on time sometimes and if your not in a trap area for vehicles , they get away easily . I just don't see the problem with assaults that most of you are talking about . I smash with assault swarms , but I do swarm and anti-vehicle every match ... I swarm way more then I forge . there is no reason to fit a specialist swarm launcher, because you get more dps and less fitting cost by using a lower tier SL. its like making a gun at proto level thats costs same as adv to fit, but has less dps than basic Nerf my heavy suit, its so OP its UP


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