Kallas Hallytyr
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Posted - 2014.09.23 17:26:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:manboar thunder fist wrote:Oh, and i want a respec for my ADS skill as it is a complete violation of my choices....
Im not paying 3 million SP for a 15% rof increase compared to 50% did heavies get a respec for their suit, HMG, and FG nerf? Realisticaly all these changes mean is that you will ONLY go 20-0 instead of 40-0 *holds out tear recepticle*
I find it hilarious how people bandy K/DR about like some grail. It was either yesterday or Sunday when I went 37/1 in a STD CalSentinel with STD HMG. That suit cost me 13k ISK, but that K/DR is irrelevant because it isn't an ADS, even though my best ADS streak is about 30 and either 0 or 1.
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Kallas Hallytyr
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Posted - 2014.09.23 22:30:00 -
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(Reposted here, since this is specifically about the ADS nerfs and not about Delta in general)
ROF Nerf Impact on DPS
XT-1 Small Missiles
Charlie ROF: 50; 0.83/sec; 9.6 sec until reload
Delta ROF (unchanged)
Charlie Python 5: 75; 1.25/sec; 6.4 sec until reload
Delta Python 5: 57.5; 0.96/sec; 8.3 sec until reload
Direct DPS
Charlie/Delta: 379.2
Charlie Python 5: 568.8
Delta Python 5: 436
Splash DPS
Charlie/Delta: 297.9
Charlie Python 5: 446.9
Delta Python 5: 342.6
Small Missiles seem fine for the most part. Personally, I'd much rather look at the Small Missiles themselves more than Python: reducing damage, increasing ROF marginally and increasing clip size would be a better way to make Missiles useful on other vehicles but also make them more skill dependant, requiring multiple impacts to kill most suits rather than the current high damage splash (which is what truly makes people cry foul about the ADS, and most specifically about the Python.)
- This idea has been mentioned before, I might add.
20GJ Particle Cannon
Charlie ROF: 120; 2/sec; 8 before overheat
Delta ROF: 92; 1.53/sec; 6.13 before overheat
Charlie Incubus 5: 180; 3/sec; 12 before overheat
Delta Incubus 5: 105.8; 1.763/sec; 7.05 before overheat
DPS/Damage Before Overheat
Charlie: 868.4/3473.6
Delta: 665.8/2661.65
Charlie Incubus 5: 1302.6/5210.4
Charlie Incubus 5/ADS 5: 1432.86/5731.44
Delta Incubus 5: 765.6/3061.11
Delta Incubus 5/ADS 5: 842.16/3367.22
Currently, due primarily to the broken hit efficacies, the Incubus rips through shield vehicles and somewhat struggles with armour (apply a .77 multiplier for the Shield DPS; .68 multiplier for Armour DPS for any Charlie number: Delta numbers are a .9 for Shields and 1.1 for Armour.)
With the proposed ROF changes, a L5 Incubus is getting a single extra shot before it overheats. This is, essentially, worthless. It must also be reminded that DPS figures are always contingent on landing all shots: it applies to all DPS statistics, obviously, and not just ADSs, but I raise the point because of the difficulty in targeting and maintaining your target whilst flying. Against an enemy dropship, you usually get a single good pass before they begin evasive manoeuvres - landing all of your shots in that 4 second overheat window against a dropship is about a 70% odds, give or take for pilot skill (attacker and defender.) When the target is moving or otherwise wary of you/other anti-vehicle weaponry, landing all shots is difficult.
An HAV, for example, is a difficult target because of the mechanisms available for ground attack manoeuvres: using first person view is viable in an aerial engagement but rarely applicable to a strafing run. Even more to the point, HAVs have much greater responsiveness with regards acceleration - we've all seen an HAV 'yoyo' about the place. The point being that landing all sots against a ground target is even harder.
So, with the proposed changes, an Incubus with Small Railgun is going to have to apply it's full DBO repeatedly to threaten any vehicle, which is no easy task once the enemy is alerted. Quite frankly, the ROF nerf is too much and impacts upon the Incubus's ability to perform its role (primarily AV using the Small Railgun) far more greatly than the Python's anti-infantry ground attack role is affected.
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