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Riruodo Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 231	Posted - 2014.09.22 17:15:00 - [1] - Quote first, let me say thank you for the MCC. I had so much fun, and a lot of funny moments. Thank you Rattati, and everyone who works at CCP Shanghai. Now, for the Caldari Scout. Btw, this isn't QQ. (--_-- ) I've seen a lot of players complain about slayer scouts, and I suppose, some of those complaints are not without reason. But I'm bothered that for the CalScout, the only thing she can really excel at (as far as what she can fit) is a slayer scout. See, most of the e-war modules in this game are low slots with the exception of precision enhancers. But the Calscout has only 1 low slot, with 3 high slots. That means if you're going to be running e-war, you're mostly going to be using precision enhancers... and there's one role precision enhancers are really really good at: tracking your prey. So right from the get go that's the mentality the CalScout forces on you. Then there are the low slots. In my opinion, I think a suit should be able to fit at least one decent fitting at standard level that defines the role, then as you level up to advanced and proto, the extra slots let you further specialize in that role, or change fittings to create new playing styles and different roles. But again, the Calscout has only 1 low slot. So at standard, you have a very limited option between running dampners, code breakers, range amplifiers (yes, I know this is a racial bonus, but we're talking about what the suit leans towards slot wise), or the other scout specific modules like cardiac regulators and kin cats not to mention armor reps. So, again, with no real way to specialize in e-war outside of passive and racial leveling up, the suit further defines itself as a slayer scout. Would a different slot layout have helped this situation? I was thinking if it started out like the Minmatar, 2- high, 2- low, and then get extra highs as you level up to advanced and proto, the Calscout could have started out as something more than a slayer. I guess I have no problem with this, but I see a lot of hate towards slayer scouts in the forums. I want to try to do something else besides be a slayer scout, but the Calscout doesn't seem to want to help. So what should I do? Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2430	Posted - 2014.09.22 17:47:00 - [2] - Quote Basic Cal Scout is a rubbish frame, the Adv though is much better with a 3/2 configuration. For casual play I fit the low with a basic Reactive Plate (So dirt cheap for 1 rep and 25 armor, frees up fitting for better shields) and a low slot for a damp. For competitive play they are both damps (I hate biotics, a waste due to the kincats obscene fitting requirements, though the green bottles are sometimes worth it but I play in too much urban to use it properly). Personally use the Cal Scout for a slayer, it is made to detect other suits before they see it back due to the range bonus, so use it accordingly and shoot people in the back. Also a very good suit for long-range assassinations with a RR, the fast regen means you're invulnerable with cover and the speed and sensor range means with a damp, shield regen, two shields and a precision you should be able to see most threats before they "sneak up" on you. Doing any other role the Cal Scout is overshadowed by the other suits, well and truly. Don't worry about it, personally, just do what seems right and shoot anyone who disagrees. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Riruodo Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 231	Posted - 2014.09.22 17:52:00 - [3] - Quote okay. it's just, I'm already a scrub, I don't want to be called a fotm scrub too. (T-T ) I picked Calscout because I like how she looks (and if you go to the Dust page on the ps store, I guess CCP has made her the main character/ mascot of Dust 514). Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor.
Izlare Lenix Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 973	Posted - 2014.09.22 18:54:00 - [4] - Quote I have both cal and gal scout proto and the gal scout is better at everything. When the cal had precision it was worth using but now it is not. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5122	Posted - 2014.09.22 18:57:00 - [5] - Quote The CalScout can excel in areas other than Assault Lite. Next time you're in a decent squad, try a loadout like this: PW: ScR (or) RR SW: SMG (or) MagSec HS: Complex Precision (x2), Shields and/or Damage Amps LS: Complex Range (x2) EQ: Cloak, 200m Active Scanner GR: You Pick You're forward recon, and an opportunistic kill stealer. You find and paint tangos to TacNet, your buddies engage, you flank and finish a distracted foe from a safe distance. After Delta, I suspect we'll see the Tactical Sniper Rifle fitting nicely into this role of forward recon. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 315	Posted - 2014.09.22 18:59:00 - [6] - Quote All scouts are slayer scouts. Nobody gets points for just running thier bonuses. Gal can hide, Amarr can see more, Min run & knife (i think) & Cal can see far. C/1 with 2 range amps & 2 precision mods. Fit a shield extender & damage mod & your good to go. Think i have just over 300 ehp, but my team & I know where everyone 80+m is Except a very select small few. But you don't get anything for just sitting there, no intel points, no kills. (the lements of a mall cop, observe & report). So slay away & don't feel bad. At least it's not as selfish a fit as a dampened gal scout, dampening only helps them-not thier team. Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
Riruodo Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 235	Posted - 2014.09.22 19:08:00 - [7] - Quote hmmm... I didn't think of using equipment to affect the way I play. This is my current build on a standard cal scout RR ZN- Nova Knives militia shield extender x 2 basic shield extender militia armor rep X3 Quantum Nano hives K-2 Nano injector But I really like adipem's build, and 2Berries is right, I'm approaching this all wrong. I should start thinking about my team rather than just solo-ing everything. Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor.
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 317	Posted - 2014.09.22 19:09:00 - [8] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: I have both cal and gal scout proto and the gal scout is better at everything. When the cal had precision it was worth using but now it is not. Funny, everytime i run my gal scout i'm reminded how much i miss my cal scout. Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 317	Posted - 2014.09.22 19:14:00 - [9] - Quote Riruodo wrote: hmmm... I didn't think of using equipment to affect the way I play. This is my current build on a standard cal scout RR ZN- Nova Knives militia shield extender x 2 basic shield extender militia armor rep X3 Quantum Nano hives K-2 Nano injector But I really like adipem's build, and 2Berries is right, I'm approaching this all wrong. I should start thinking about my team rather than just solo-ing everything. My C-1 runs a dmg mod, shield extender, precision mod in the highs & kin cat in the low. With so little ehp i would rather be able to run away fast than be able to heal. Hives will do the work of you armor rep better. Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5124	Posted - 2014.09.22 19:28:00 - [10] - Quote Riruodo wrote: But I really like adipem's build, and 2Berries is right, I'm approaching this all wrong. I should start thinking about my team rather than just solo-ing everything. Glad you like it! If you ever have questions about Scouts, feel free swing by Barbershop in the Locker Room. o7 Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley

Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1533	Posted - 2014.09.22 19:29:00 - [11] - Quote 2Berries wrote: All scouts are slayer scouts. Nobody gets points for just running thier bonuses. Gal can hide, Amarr can see more, Min run & knife (i think) & Cal can see far. C/1 with 2 range amps & 2 precision mods. Fit a shield extender & damage mod & your good to go. Think i have just over 300 ehp, but my team & I know where everyone 80+m is Except a very select small few. But you don't get anything for just sitting there, no intel points, no kills. (the lements of a mall cop, observe & report). So slay away & don't feel bad. At least it's not as selfish a fit as a dampened gal scout, dampening only helps them-not thier team. Scans aren't shared with the team, just your squad. We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Riruodo Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 235	Posted - 2014.09.22 19:35:00 - [12] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Riruodo wrote: But I really like adipem's build, and 2Berries is right, I'm approaching this all wrong. I should start thinking about my team rather than just solo-ing everything. Glad you like it! If you ever have questions about Scouts, feel free swing by Barbershop in the Locker Room. o7 will do and thanks to everyone who helped me. I feel a lot better about going Cal Scout with the sp I got from the MCC. Thanks again. Everyone gets a like, even Izlare Lenix. lol. (^_^ )/ thank you. P.S. also, sorry, now that I look back on it, this should have gone in the Rookie Training Grounds. (-. - ;) Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor.
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 318	Posted - 2014.09.22 20:25:00 - [13] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: 2Berries wrote: All scouts are slayer scouts. Nobody gets points for just running thier bonuses. Gal can hide, Amarr can see more, Min run & knife (i think) & Cal can see far. C/1 with 2 range amps & 2 precision mods. Fit a shield extender & damage mod & your good to go. Think i have just over 300 ehp, but my team & I know where everyone 80+m is Except a very select small few. But you don't get anything for just sitting there, no intel points, no kills. (the lements of a mall cop, observe & report). So slay away & don't feel bad. At least it's not as selfish a fit as a dampened gal scout, dampening only helps them-not thier team. Scans aren't shared with the team, just your squad. Good catch, thanks. Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4323	Posted - 2014.09.22 20:29:00 - [14] - Quote 2Berries wrote: All scouts are slayer scouts. Nobody gets points for just running thier bonuses. Gal can hide, Amarr can see more, Min run & knife (i think) & Cal can see far. You forgot hack for Minmatar. Its very important. You can always tell a Millford Minja
xavier zor UNREAL WARRIORS 48	Posted - 2014.10.01 07:41:00 - [15] - Quote My scout ck.0 build: 2 Complex dampeners Ishokune Cloak Field Ishokune Nova Knives Boundless Combat Rifle 1 Enhanced Precision Enhancer (lol) 3 Complex Shields OR all the same but 2 complex shields and 2 enhanced shields YES i can fit this because i maxed out core skills, electronics, engineering and upgraded some fitting optimization skills. scout ck.0 here!
iKILLu osborne ripley's believe it or die 348	Posted - 2014.10.01 10:35:00 - [16] - Quote my ck.0 2 complex shield ext. 2 complex precision 1 enhanced reactive plate 1 complex dampner Bk 42 acr ishokone nk flux grenades arn cloak remote explosive do not even mention range enhancors, when they changed the bonus they killed the suit , hmm....lets see, all suits are scannable except for...oh yeah gal scout (balance at work lol) and who was qq'ing before the change... oh yeah gal scout. lp cal scout i demand it
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 365	Posted - 2014.10.01 11:09:00 - [17] - Quote Cal. scout is by far the best. Scan range, damps and a damn broken hitbox which allows you to dance infront of HMG's like no other suit. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 379	Posted - 2014.10.01 11:17:00 - [18] - Quote Basic Caldari Light Frame is not a Scout Frame, it's so confusing when people try to talk about those two suits like they are the same. Gallente Speed Scout. EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 466	Posted - 2014.10.01 12:07:00 - [19] - Quote Just remove the extra equipment slot and give scouts a 3-4 or 4-3 slot layout. Then increase profile and precision stats as the get an extra high or low slot.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2888	Posted - 2014.10.01 12:17:00 - [20] - Quote I've decided to spec into lvl.1 cal light frames, after a few matches i already feel the OPness. Hitbox is definitely bugged, regen at 50 without any module is ridicolous. PSN: ogamega "Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items" LOCK REGIONS



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