DUST Search - @ Judge Rhadamanthus - Your take on ADS nerf?

ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:

Michael Arck wrote:

ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

As secretary somewhat, CPM Judge has had problems in his local neighborhood involving a large scale public utility works 'remodeling' that has interfered with his ability to respond. If and when ever the cpm or ccp gets back in contact will try to see if he can make a statement about it.

So thats why soraya got all uptight about dropships all of a sudden. Just when judge cant defend the ads community. Im sure judge would of pulled out some graphs and numbers and creamed him. Maybe we could of had a somewhat balanced nerf but rattati went all out on this 1, 3 nerfs and all we have to look forward to is 100k off a 500k vehicle.

Here's a post you missed...

Soraya Xel wrote:

There is an inherent benefit to having CPM members who disagree on things. Namely, that CCP sees both sides of a debate, rather than getting a single player's agenda on a balance change.

I only listen to actions not these "what will be" posts. Did we get any representation? no. Did we get a debate? no. Balancing doesnt work like that, it sure as hell doesnt work in congress, you just get 2 extremes neither agreeing on a median. Then ccp picks 1 of the extremes and nothing gets balanced.

If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known.

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CommanderBolt TerranProtossZerg 1700	Posted - 2014.09.22 15:03:00 - [1] - Quote As the title states. Considering Judge Rhadamanthus is CPM right? I thought he would have something to say in light of the changes. I'm curious for his opinion. -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2098	Posted - 2014.09.22 15:19:00 - [2] - Quote Regardless of what it was, I'm sure it was drowned out by Soraya Xel's ADS witch-hunt rants. Dust was real! I was there!
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 116	Posted - 2014.09.22 15:20:00 - [3] - Quote Are people really so uptight about a rate of fire nerf on a vehicle that easily goes 30/0 (20/0 since the new matchmaking).
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2960	Posted - 2014.09.22 15:22:00 - [4] - Quote Hilariously the lack of judge whining has been thunderous on the forums. Since when is he shy about telling everyone that a change to vehicles or AV is a horrible idea?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16496	Posted - 2014.09.22 15:23:00 - [5] - Quote As secretary somewhat, CPM Judge has had problems in his local neighborhood involving a large scale public utility works 'remodeling' that has interfered with his ability to respond. If and when ever the cpm or ccp gets back in contact will try to see if he can make a statement about it. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Advanced Large Railgun =// Unlocked
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3312	Posted - 2014.09.22 15:23:00 - [6] - Quote Somewhere Judge Rhadamanthus is curled tightly into the fetal position, gently rocking back and forth. You can hear quiet sobs and sniffles interspersed among mutterings, "S-s-swarms m-might be able to kill me..." He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2125	Posted - 2014.09.22 15:26:00 - [7] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Are people really so uptight about a rate of fire nerf on a vehicle that easily goes 30/0 (20/0 since the new matchmaking). You really think a Python goes 30/0? That's a top-tier pilot like Snugglz going against a team with literally zero AV. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3447	Posted - 2014.09.22 15:29:00 - [8] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Regardless of what it was, I'm sure it was drowned out by Soraya Xel's ADS witch-hunt rants. There is an inherent benefit to having CPM members who disagree on things. Namely, that CCP sees both sides of a debate, rather than getting a single player's agenda on a balance change. I actually am more willing to be critical of vehicles in balance discussions because I know Judge is there to counter my views. And then CCP devs themselves are very data-driven as well, using statistics to determine what needs to be changed and how. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 323	Posted - 2014.09.22 15:31:00 - [9] - Quote There was no debate about the ROF nerf. Some random guy porbs brought it up in a single 1 line post and got overlooked by the community. CCP then just went mad with the nerfbat and thats what you get. Oh and i think judge might jumped off a cliff after he heard the DS news. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 116	Posted - 2014.09.22 15:38:00 - [10] - Quote Could someone explain to me whats so important about a rate of fire nerf on the ADS? Its a rate of fire nerf not health or anything like that that would actually help AV kill pilots.

CommanderBolt TerranProtossZerg 1707	Posted - 2014.09.23 03:39:00 - [11] - Quote Well lets be clear, the Python is being nerfed into the absolute ground. For too long in ADS vs ADS combat the rail has reigned absolutely supreme. The Python has so little tank that it has to run at the sign of anything, it has absolutely 0 countermeasures (which is why we even have balancing problems) and now they want to slap it with a huge RoF nerf. Yes the RoF nerf is a massive problem, I and others speced into level 5 dropship specifically for that 50% RoF bonus. Would I have bothered for a measly 3%? Absolutely not! All I can say is that I am glad my vehicles are all on separate characters because they have wasted so much sp now its not even funny. @IWS thanks for the update. I thought it was strange that the Judge has been so quiet. -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3141	Posted - 2014.09.23 03:47:00 - [12] - Quote I imagine much rage was involved. Tanker/Logi/Assault
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3141	Posted - 2014.09.23 03:50:00 - [13] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Regardless of what it was, I'm sure it was drowned out by Soraya Xel's ADS witch-hunt rants. Have you heard Soraya speak he couldn't drown out a mouse don't let his internet persona fool you. Tanker/Logi/Assault
Super Sniper95 Bloodline Rebellion Public.Disorder. 256	Posted - 2014.09.23 04:00:00 - [14] - Quote I was just about spec into ADS's. JUST ABOUT!! Until I see the spreedsheets on my phone, and said "Oh hell no, ohh hell no, no, no, no no no no, **** you Python". Hand-Eye Coordination level 5... Deal with it.
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 656	Posted - 2014.09.23 04:03:00 - [15] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: There was no debate about the ROF nerf. Some random guy porbs brought it up in a single 1 line post and got overlooked by the community. CCP then just went mad with the nerfbat and thats what you get. Oh and i think judge might jumped off a cliff after he heard the DS news. No, I don't think it was that one guy, as CCP Rattati explains here... Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 168	Posted - 2014.09.23 04:42:00 - [16] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: As secretary somewhat, CPM Judge has had problems in his local neighborhood involving a large scale public utility works 'remodeling' that has interfered with his ability to respond. If and when ever the cpm or ccp gets back in contact will try to see if he can make a statement about it. So thats why soraya got all uptight about dropships all of a sudden. Just when judge cant defend the ads community. Im sure judge would of pulled out some graphs and numbers and creamed him. Maybe we could of had a somewhat balanced nerf but rattati went all out on this 1, 3 nerfs and all we have to look forward to is 100k off a 500k vehicle.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 168	Posted - 2014.09.23 04:48:00 - [17] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Well lets be clear, the Python is being nerfed into the absolute ground. For too long in ADS vs ADS combat the rail has reigned absolutely supreme. The Python has so little tank that it has to run at the sign of anything, it has absolutely 0 countermeasures (which is why we even have balancing problems) and now they want to slap it with a huge RoF nerf. Yes the RoF nerf is a massive problem, I and others speced into level 5 dropship specifically for that 50% RoF bonus. Would I have bothered for a measly 3%? Absolutely not! All I can say is that I am glad my vehicles are all on separate characters because they have wasted so much sp now its not even funny. @IWS thanks for the update. I thought it was strange that the Judge has been so quiet. Yeah whats the point of speccing into a python now? Itll barely shoot faster than a missle incubus with less tank and less reps.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3519	Posted - 2014.09.23 05:05:00 - [18] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: As secretary somewhat, CPM Judge has had problems in his local neighborhood involving a large scale public utility works 'remodeling' that has interfered with his ability to respond. If and when ever the cpm or ccp gets back in contact will try to see if he can make a statement about it. So thats why soraya got all uptight about dropships all of a sudden. Just when judge cant defend the ads community. Im sure judge would of pulled out some graphs and numbers and creamed him. Maybe we could of had a somewhat balanced nerf but rattati went all out on this 1, 3 nerfs and all we have to look forward to is 100k off a 500k vehicle. Actually, you could be less juvenile. I was actually talking in a CPM channel today about how much I wish Judge was actually online earlier today. I myself was posting, because it was being discussed actively. I would like to have represented his opinion, but was more concerned I wouldn't represent it correctly or authentically. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 168	Posted - 2014.09.23 05:26:00 - [19] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: As secretary somewhat, CPM Judge has had problems in his local neighborhood involving a large scale public utility works 'remodeling' that has interfered with his ability to respond. If and when ever the cpm or ccp gets back in contact will try to see if he can make a statement about it. So thats why soraya got all uptight about dropships all of a sudden. Just when judge cant defend the ads community. Im sure judge would of pulled out some graphs and numbers and creamed him. Maybe we could of had a somewhat balanced nerf but rattati went all out on this 1, 3 nerfs and all we have to look forward to is 100k off a 500k vehicle. Actually, you could be less juvenile. I was actually talking in a CPM chat today about how much I wish Judge was actually online earlier today. I myself was posting, because it was being discussed actively. I would like to have represented his opinion, but was more concerned I wouldn't represent it correctly or authentically. Suuure.
Hand Fap Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 44	Posted - 2014.09.23 06:03:00 - [20] - Quote lol @ people that are crying because they will no longer be able to spam missiles to infantry, now they actually have to time correctly when to go low and who to go for.

Michael Arck 5721	Posted - 2014.09.23 06:33:00 - [21] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: As secretary somewhat, CPM Judge has had problems in his local neighborhood involving a large scale public utility works 'remodeling' that has interfered with his ability to respond. If and when ever the cpm or ccp gets back in contact will try to see if he can make a statement about it. So thats why soraya got all uptight about dropships all of a sudden. Just when judge cant defend the ads community. Im sure judge would of pulled out some graphs and numbers and creamed him. Maybe we could of had a somewhat balanced nerf but rattati went all out on this 1, 3 nerfs and all we have to look forward to is 100k off a 500k vehicle. Here's a post you missed... Soraya Xel wrote: There is an inherent benefit to having CPM members who disagree on things. Namely, that CCP sees both sides of a debate, rather than getting a single player's agenda on a balance change. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
castba Merc-0107 595	Posted - 2014.09.23 08:02:00 - [22] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Yes the RoF nerf is a massive problem, I and others speced into level 5 dropship specifically for that 50% RoF bonus. Would I have bothered for a measly 3%? Absolutely not! aaaaah fk it. I literally did that same thing today with my MCC reward. I don't fly, only gun on my friend's ADS. Damn it shakes fist Where is that respec? After Delta? Noted. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
Michael Arck 5721	Posted - 2014.09.23 08:04:00 - [23] - Quote shakes fist Damn you Castba and your LR! Damn you! Lol! Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
castba Merc-0107 595	Posted - 2014.09.23 10:06:00 - [24] - Quote Hahaha, indeed. Laser is too fun. I was going to put that sp on my Amando too. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 168	Posted - 2014.09.23 18:34:00 - [25] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: As secretary somewhat, CPM Judge has had problems in his local neighborhood involving a large scale public utility works 'remodeling' that has interfered with his ability to respond. If and when ever the cpm or ccp gets back in contact will try to see if he can make a statement about it. So thats why soraya got all uptight about dropships all of a sudden. Just when judge cant defend the ads community. Im sure judge would of pulled out some graphs and numbers and creamed him. Maybe we could of had a somewhat balanced nerf but rattati went all out on this 1, 3 nerfs and all we have to look forward to is 100k off a 500k vehicle. Here's a post you missed... Soraya Xel wrote: There is an inherent benefit to having CPM members who disagree on things. Namely, that CCP sees both sides of a debate, rather than getting a single player's agenda on a balance change. I only listen to actions not these "what will be" posts. Did we get any representation? no. Did we get a debate? no. Balancing doesnt work like that, it sure as hell doesnt work in congress, you just get 2 extremes neither agreeing on a median. Then ccp picks 1 of the extremes and nothing gets balanced.
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1564	Posted - 2014.09.23 18:43:00 - [26] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Michael Arck wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: As secretary somewhat, CPM Judge has had problems in his local neighborhood involving a large scale public utility works 'remodeling' that has interfered with his ability to respond. If and when ever the cpm or ccp gets back in contact will try to see if he can make a statement about it. So thats why soraya got all uptight about dropships all of a sudden. Just when judge cant defend the ads community. Im sure judge would of pulled out some graphs and numbers and creamed him. Maybe we could of had a somewhat balanced nerf but rattati went all out on this 1, 3 nerfs and all we have to look forward to is 100k off a 500k vehicle. Here's a post you missed... Soraya Xel wrote: There is an inherent benefit to having CPM members who disagree on things. Namely, that CCP sees both sides of a debate, rather than getting a single player's agenda on a balance change. I only listen to actions not these "what will be" posts. Did we get any representation? no. Did we get a debate? no. Balancing doesnt work like that, it sure as hell doesnt work in congress, you just get 2 extremes neither agreeing on a median. Then ccp picks 1 of the extremes and nothing gets balanced. To add to that, the 'benefit' of opposing views only works if the other person can speak..which doesn't seem to be possible for Judge atm. So, it was rather one sided. I must still be the only one finding it fishy that this is occurring at a time when the ADS guy on the CPM is unavailable... If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3545	Posted - 2014.09.23 18:44:00 - [27] - Quote To be honest, ACT1ON, you really have no idea what goes on in balance discussions. But as CCP Rattati stated, the RoF change was his decision alone* (though I agree with it). The swarm buff and afterburner nerf discussion was more extended, and included both Judge and myself. I still feel swarms should've gotten a lock range buff, personally. * https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2371528#post2371528 CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.


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