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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.09.19 00:36:00 -
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Gal scout can't see everyone.
Even Amarr who has the best Precision bonus can't see everyone.
We have been over this many times, the reason they have their respective bonuses is in large part because of the number of slots available to them.
Caldari have few Lows, therefore they have a Dampening bonus. Gallente have few Highs, so they get a precision bonus.
The Amarr don't stay the same, because they now have the best Precision.
Minmatar don't stay the same, because now they are capable of beating all scans if necessary.
Get your facts straight before whining.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
4204
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Posted - 2014.09.19 00:42:00 -
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CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Gal scout can't see everyone.
Even Amarr who has the best Precision bonus can't see everyone.
We have been over this many times, the reason they have their respective bonuses is in large part because of the number of slots available to them.
Caldari have few Lows, therefore they have a Dampening bonus. Gallente have few Highs, so they get a precision bonus.
The Amarr don't stay the same, because they now have the best Precision.
Minmatar don't stay the same, because now they are capable of beating all scans if necessary.
Get your facts straight before whining. i didnt know i was whining and your very fast to.protect broken things.
I am very quick to point out you got your facts wrong.
Completely wrong.
If you want to be worth a damn in a discussion, get the facts right first. Otherwise you are just whining about the same things that have be complained about a hundred times, all with the same impotence of thought and logic.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.09.19 00:53:00 -
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CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:One Eyed King wrote:CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Gal scout can't see everyone.
Even Amarr who has the best Precision bonus can't see everyone.
We have been over this many times, the reason they have their respective bonuses is in large part because of the number of slots available to them.
Caldari have few Lows, therefore they have a Dampening bonus. Gallente have few Highs, so they get a precision bonus.
The Amarr don't stay the same, because they now have the best Precision.
Minmatar don't stay the same, because now they are capable of beating all scans if necessary.
Get your facts straight before whining. i didnt know i was whining and your very fast to.protect broken things. I am very quick to point out you got your facts wrong. Completely wrong. If you want to be worth a damn in a discussion, get the facts right first. Otherwise you are just whining about the same things that have be complained about a hundred times, all with the same impotence of thought and logic. quick to get mad too i also said that the bonuses should be changed to only work with their respective modules. Read before ypu get angry and try to protect broken suits. The bonuses shouldnt apply just because someone specced into a suit they should work when the mods are used. This would also be a way to stop brick tanking on scouts.
Bricked tanked scouts are less effective slayers than assaults in their respective tiers.
You are pointing out a problem that doesn't exist based on false facts.
I am more than willing to talk balance when the facts are appropriately presented.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:22:00 -
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CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:
you say you want facts but your not asking for specifics. I can point facts out for specifics but not for such a wide subject. Fact i see at least one tanked out scout per match. Fact i see at least 2 assault suits per 3 matches.
Here are the facts you got wrong in your original post:
1) That Gal Scouts can see everyone. Simply not true. I can pull up the scanning spreadsheet, but I have done that half a dozen times already with people who make similar claims
2) That these bonuses are innate to the race, and that is all that is needed. You are wrong. Gal scouts need to have lvl 5 dampening as well, and need to have at least 2 of their 4 Low Slots for dampening plus a proto cloak OR they need 3 Complex Dampeners. Either way, that is a significant sacrifice while not coming close to assault HP.
In order for them to come close to assault HP, they must give up their dampening, and are then visible and slow.
3) That Minmatar and Amarr are the same as they were before Charlie, is simply untrue. Prior to Charlie, Amarr had no role, and Minmatar were marginalized because of Cal scanning. That is no longer the case.
I personally am seeing fewer and fewer tanked/cloaked scouts.
I also die quite frequently as a Minja to Gallente scouts, but that is fine. It is blind vs blind and that is the risk I take for running a low HP suit. I don't see the need to flat out hinder a suit because it is a good counter to me so long as I have equal chance to counter it.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:59:00 -
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CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:One Eyed King wrote:CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:
you say you want facts but your not asking for specifics. I can point facts out for specifics but not for such a wide subject. Fact i see at least one tanked out scout per match. Fact i see at least 2 assault suits per 3 matches.
Here are the facts you got wrong in your original post: 1) That Gal Scouts can see everyone. Simply not true. I can pull up the scanning spreadsheet, but I have done that half a dozen times already with people who make similar claims 2) That these bonuses are innate to the race, and that is all that is needed. You are wrong. Gal scouts need to have lvl 5 dampening as well, and need to have at least 2 of their 4 Low Slots for dampening plus a proto cloak OR they need 3 Complex Dampeners. Either way, that is a significant sacrifice while not coming close to assault HP. In order for them to come close to assault HP, they must give up their dampening, and are then visible and slow. 3) That Minmatar and Amarr are the same as they were before Charlie, is simply untrue. Prior to Charlie, Amarr had no role, and Minmatar were marginalized because of Cal scanning. That is no longer the case. I personally am seeing fewer and fewer tanked/cloaked scouts. I also die quite frequently as a Minja to Gallente scouts, but that is fine. It is blind vs blind and that is the risk I take for running a low HP suit. I don't see the need to flat out hinder a suit because it is a good counter to me so long as I have equal chance to counter it. 1.I said that i can because i run 2 enhancers. You dont need to put shields in your highs. 2. I never said bonuses were inate. 3. I never said that min and am were the same as before charlie your just pulling that one out of your ass. I also said that bonuses should ONLY apply with their respective modules not just because " o i specced into a suit because it passively givea me a bonus so i dont have to use its respective module. Like i said domt get mad and rage post at me tell me what you see as wrong and ill explain my reasoning.
1. Just because you can run 2 enhancers doesn't mean you can see everyone. Caldari can run 4 enhancers, and they can't see everyone. Amarr has the lowest possible scanning precision of any scout and THEY can't see everyone.
2 Fair enough, I misunderstood your intention for these lines. I thought your Tl;Dr was the assessment not the recommendation.
CharacterNameWasTaken wrote: Because we have people speccing into these scouts because they want to be invisible to everyone ans stack ehp while only having a movement penalty.
Tl;Dr Min and Amarr scouts stay the same just the cal and gals bonuses get changed.
Lastly, this doesn't change the fact that Gal scout can't see everything and that they have to be running proto AND make significant sacrifices in order to tank anywhere near what an assault can, nor can they still remain invisible in order to reach those levels. Caldari don't even HAVE a precision bonus to take away, just range, which considering their limited low slots really shouldn't be the issue.
Amarr have the highest ability to tank AND have the greatest ultimate precision, yet you have no problem with them staying the same.
Again, you are overstating a problem that is no longer there. As more people spec into assaults you will see the slayers migrate there while leaving any tanking Gal with much lower HP than the assault suits.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.09.19 02:14:00 -
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CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:
ok i can agree with you on all subjects now only whdn i said i can see everyone couldnt you tell it was a hyperbole or do you not know basic english. is it a crime to exaggerate a little? thank you for talking things out like an asult unlike eaelier i xan agree with you.
You have to realize, some of scouts, Minjas in particular, had been ignored and marginalized for nearly a year.
Now that we are relevant, there are people stating the same things you are AND TOTALLY MEANING IT!!
It is impossible for us to tell which is which, particularly via a text based medium.
I appreciate that you were merely exaggerating, but be careful because you may stoke the fire of people who are so bias that they can't even accept facts after they have been presented to them, several times, with CCP sources.
Then we never get a reasonable discussion, and they start talking stupid things like taking away scout light weapons and all EWAR bonuses whatsoever.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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