As far as im concerned anyone that runs cal or gal scout is a scrub unless you had them before 1.8. At least you admit your suit needs fixing.

did the calscout suit exist before 1.8? which would you say is the least used scout suit at the moment?

Gal scout can't see everyone.

Even Amarr who has the best Precision bonus can't see everyone.

We have been over this many times, the reason they have their respective bonuses is in large part because of the number of slots available to them.

Caldari have few Lows, therefore they have a Dampening bonus. Gallente have few Highs, so they get a precision bonus.

The Amarr don't stay the same, because they now have the best Precision.

Minmatar don't stay the same, because now they are capable of beating all scans if necessary.

Get your facts straight before whining.

I am very quick to point out you got your facts wrong.

Completely wrong.

If you want to be worth a damn in a discussion, get the facts right first. Otherwise you are just whining about the same things that have be complained about a hundred times, all with the same impotence of thought and logic.

Bricked tanked scouts are less effective slayers than assaults in their respective tiers.

You are pointing out a problem that doesn't exist based on false facts.

I am more than willing to talk balance when the facts are appropriately presented.

Good idea. Scouts only get the applied bonuses for fitting the modules the bonuses affect.

Why hasn't CCP thought of this?

Here are the facts you got wrong in your original post:

1) That Gal Scouts can see everyone. Simply not true. I can pull up the scanning spreadsheet, but I have done that half a dozen times already with people who make similar claims

2) That these bonuses are innate to the race, and that is all that is needed. You are wrong. Gal scouts need to have lvl 5 dampening as well, and need to have at least 2 of their 4 Low Slots for dampening plus a proto cloak OR they need 3 Complex Dampeners. Either way, that is a significant sacrifice while not coming close to assault HP.

In order for them to come close to assault HP, they must give up their dampening, and are then visible and slow.

3) That Minmatar and Amarr are the same as they were before Charlie, is simply untrue. Prior to Charlie, Amarr had no role, and Minmatar were marginalized because of Cal scanning. That is no longer the case.

I personally am seeing fewer and fewer tanked/cloaked scouts.

I also die quite frequently as a Minja to Gallente scouts, but that is fine. It is blind vs blind and that is the risk I take for running a low HP suit. I don't see the need to flat out hinder a suit because it is a good counter to me so long as I have equal chance to counter it.

Here are the facts you got wrong in your original post:

1) That Gal Scouts can see everyone. Simply not true. I can pull up the scanning spreadsheet, but I have done that half a dozen times already with people who make similar claims

2) That these bonuses are innate to the race, and that is all that is needed. You are wrong. Gal scouts need to have lvl 5 dampening as well, and need to have at least 2 of their 4 Low Slots for dampening plus a proto cloak OR they need 3 Complex Dampeners. Either way, that is a significant sacrifice while not coming close to assault HP.

In order for them to come close to assault HP, they must give up their dampening, and are then visible and slow.

3) That Minmatar and Amarr are the same as they were before Charlie, is simply untrue. Prior to Charlie, Amarr had no role, and Minmatar were marginalized because of Cal scanning. That is no longer the case.

I personally am seeing fewer and fewer tanked/cloaked scouts.

I also die quite frequently as a Minja to Gallente scouts, but that is fine. It is blind vs blind and that is the risk I take for running a low HP suit. I don't see the need to flat out hinder a suit because it is a good counter to me so long as I have equal chance to counter it.

1) How something is presented does not impact its substance.

2) you'd do well to shut up all by yourself, forever.

1. Just because you can run 2 enhancers doesn't mean you can see everyone. Caldari can run 4 enhancers, and they can't see everyone. Amarr has the lowest possible scanning precision of any scout and THEY can't see everyone.

2 Fair enough, I misunderstood your intention for these lines. I thought your Tl;Dr was the assessment not the recommendation.


Lastly, this doesn't change the fact that Gal scout can't see everything and that they have to be running proto AND make significant sacrifices in order to tank anywhere near what an assault can, nor can they still remain invisible in order to reach those levels. Caldari don't even HAVE a precision bonus to take away, just range, which considering their limited low slots really shouldn't be the issue.

Amarr have the highest ability to tank AND have the greatest ultimate precision, yet you have no problem with them staying the same.

Again, you are overstating a problem that is no longer there. As more people spec into assaults you will see the slayers migrate there while leaving any tanking Gal with much lower HP than the assault suits.

#rekt

You have to realize, some of scouts, Minjas in particular, had been ignored and marginalized for nearly a year.

Now that we are relevant, there are people stating the same things you are AND TOTALLY MEANING IT!!

It is impossible for us to tell which is which, particularly via a text based medium.

I appreciate that you were merely exaggerating, but be careful because you may stoke the fire of people who are so bias that they can't even accept facts after they have been presented to them, several times, with CCP sources.

Then we never get a reasonable discussion, and they start talking stupid things like taking away scout light weapons and all EWAR bonuses whatsoever.

Fixed.

Every scout has 2 types of bonuses. Damage and hack, precision and stamina, damp and range, damp and precision.

That said, I agree that Caldari and Gallente Scouts should have their bonuses changed. Caldari shouldn't ever have dampening, but range and precision made them too strong against anything and everything besides a Gallente Scout of old.

What if they had single bonuses, but stronger ones?

Caldari: +10% range per level (because that's already insane).

Gallente: +4% Dampening per level? Or just keep it at 3 and lower Caldari to +5% range per level.