DUST Search - Hotfix Delta - proposed flaylock change is a huge dissapointment

Cpt McReady wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

Vell0cet wrote:

Cpt McReady wrote:

the increased fitting requirements do not make any sense at all and there will simply be no incentive to fit a flaylock when you can take an SMG with the proposed fitting requirements.

advanced SMG is ahead in terms of performance and is overall alot easier to fit than the PROTO flaylock, not to mention that the SMG benefits from the minmatar assault bonus.

why would anyone use a proto flaylock or flaylock at all when there is a SMG lying around right next to it that is alot better.

If they let it do partial damage to vehicles, that would be one reason.

The proposal has a nice range vs dps curve as well as similar dps/pg/cpu. We are not changing that this time around.

However, increasing fitting cost on smg's is another solution.

Let's see how the magsec plays out with new handling and we will hotfix some of the key issues.

I need more data to take the next step, just as we are doing second or third round of assault rifle balance tweaks in Delta.

how is increasing SMGs fitting cost a solution? it already has the fitting cost of a light weapon without the range and dps of a light weapon. fitting cost increase is not only a unnecessary but also a nerf to the minmatar assault. the SMG is the only sidearm that benefits from the minmatar assaults bonus and the minmatar assault does not have the best fitting capabilities.

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Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2014.09.18 12:27:00 - [1] - Quote wow, at proto level it gets 2.5 times the PG requirements, 25% higher cpu requirements for a meager 6% dps/dmg buff. it is worse at adv and std level. if this is how you want to "fix" it then then do not touch the flaylock at all.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4972	Posted - 2014.09.18 14:32:00 - [2] - Quote Is clip size being increased from 3 to 4? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Extraneus Tenebrarum CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 72	Posted - 2014.09.18 14:40:00 - [3] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Is clip size being increased from 3 to 4? Yes but the spreadsheet says ADV and PRO has 2 clip probably spreadsheet error
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2014.09.18 15:35:00 - [4] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Is clip size being increased from 3 to 4? wow another rocket for 3 times the fitting cost ... badass
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7588	Posted - 2014.09.18 15:48:00 - [5] - Quote Their PG increase on the Pistols was unnecessary. I thought the draw of a pistol was a little less resource requirement than the SMG in trade of overall combat versatility Something's wrong when you regret Things that haven't happened yet
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.09.19 15:15:00 - [6] - Quote the increased fitting requirements do not make any sense at all. advanced SMG is ahead in terms of performance and is overall alot easier to fit than the proto flaylock, not to mention that the SMG benefits from the minmatar assault bonus. why would anyone use a proto flaylock or flaylock at all when there is a SMG lying around right next to it that is alot better.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2362	Posted - 2014.09.19 19:10:00 - [7] - Quote Cpt McReady wrote: the increased fitting requirements do not make any sense at all and there will simply be no incentive to fit a flaylock when you can take an SMG with the proposed fitting requirements. advanced SMG is ahead in terms of performance and is overall alot easier to fit than the PROTO flaylock, not to mention that the SMG benefits from the minmatar assault bonus. why would anyone use a proto flaylock or flaylock at all when there is a SMG lying around right next to it that is alot better. Not to mention that it'll still be the worst pistol once Delta drops (no AA) ...give it back the old, unedited damage/splash numbers Rattati, and keep the fitting REQ's as is and it'll be balanced. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 2262	Posted - 2014.09.20 00:27:00 - [8] - Quote Cpt McReady wrote: the increased fitting requirements do not make any sense at all and there will simply be no incentive to fit a flaylock when you can take an SMG with the proposed fitting requirements. advanced SMG is ahead in terms of performance and is overall alot easier to fit than the PROTO flaylock, not to mention that the SMG benefits from the minmatar assault bonus. why would anyone use a proto flaylock or flaylock at all when there is a SMG lying around right next to it that is alot better. If they let it do partial damage to vehicles, that would be one reason. Best PvE idea ever!

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7567	Posted - 2014.09.20 07:20:00 - [9] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Cpt McReady wrote: the increased fitting requirements do not make any sense at all and there will simply be no incentive to fit a flaylock when you can take an SMG with the proposed fitting requirements. advanced SMG is ahead in terms of performance and is overall alot easier to fit than the PROTO flaylock, not to mention that the SMG benefits from the minmatar assault bonus. why would anyone use a proto flaylock or flaylock at all when there is a SMG lying around right next to it that is alot better. If they let it do partial damage to vehicles, that would be one reason. The proposal has a nice range vs dps curve as well as similar dps/pg/cpu. We are not changing that this time around. However, increasing fitting cost on smg's is another solution. Let's see how the magsec plays out with new handling and we will hotfix some of the key issues. I need more data to take the next step, just as we are doing second or third round of assault rifle balance tweaks in Delta. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

CommanderBolt TerranProtossZerg 1680	Posted - 2014.09.20 07:23:00 - [10] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Cpt McReady wrote: the increased fitting requirements do not make any sense at all and there will simply be no incentive to fit a flaylock when you can take an SMG with the proposed fitting requirements. advanced SMG is ahead in terms of performance and is overall alot easier to fit than the PROTO flaylock, not to mention that the SMG benefits from the minmatar assault bonus. why would anyone use a proto flaylock or flaylock at all when there is a SMG lying around right next to it that is alot better. If they let it do partial damage to vehicles, that would be one reason. The proposal has a nice range vs dps curve as well as similar dps/pg/cpu. We are not changing that this time around. However, increasing fitting cost on smg's is another solution. Let's see how the magsec plays out with new handling and we will hotfix some of the key issues. I need more data to take the next step, just as we are doing second or third round of assault rifle balance tweaks in Delta. Man I cant wait to try the PLC with the improved projectile speed, assuming you are going ahead with that. I know its not related to sidearms but frankly right now I am having too much fun with the PLC to worry so much about sidearms. No disrespect or anything like. -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!

Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2014.09.22 11:48:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Cpt McReady wrote: the increased fitting requirements do not make any sense at all and there will simply be no incentive to fit a flaylock when you can take an SMG with the proposed fitting requirements. advanced SMG is ahead in terms of performance and is overall alot easier to fit than the PROTO flaylock, not to mention that the SMG benefits from the minmatar assault bonus. why would anyone use a proto flaylock or flaylock at all when there is a SMG lying around right next to it that is alot better. If they let it do partial damage to vehicles, that would be one reason. The proposal has a nice range vs dps curve as well as similar dps/pg/cpu. We are not changing that this time around. However, increasing fitting cost on smg's is another solution. Let's see how the magsec plays out with new handling and we will hotfix some of the key issues. I need more data to take the next step, just as we are doing second or third round of assault rifle balance tweaks in Delta. how is increasing SMGs fitting cost a solution? it already has the fitting cost of a light weapon without the range and dps of a light weapon. fitting cost increase is not only a unnecessary but also a nerf to the minmatar assault. the SMG is the only sidearm that benefits from the minmatar assaults bonus and the minmatar assault does not have the best fitting capabilities.
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 210	Posted - 2014.09.22 19:48:00 - [12] - Quote PLZ leave it at 3 shots per clip but have higher damage. 200damage per shot with a 2 or 2.50m splash radius at proto. leave the pg/cpu the same and have the direct damage 200/250/300. if you'll consider changing the stats ill make a spreadsheet if ya don't understand this. 44/4 in a BPO Scout (1.8) 40/5 in a Proto Assault(1.7) 35/0 in a Proto Heavy(1.8) Open Beta Vet-30mil sp R.I.P Dust514
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 703	Posted - 2014.09.22 21:04:00 - [13] - Quote Cpt McReady wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Cpt McReady wrote: the increased fitting requirements do not make any sense at all and there will simply be no incentive to fit a flaylock when you can take an SMG with the proposed fitting requirements. advanced SMG is ahead in terms of performance and is overall alot easier to fit than the PROTO flaylock, not to mention that the SMG benefits from the minmatar assault bonus. why would anyone use a proto flaylock or flaylock at all when there is a SMG lying around right next to it that is alot better. If they let it do partial damage to vehicles, that would be one reason. The proposal has a nice range vs dps curve as well as similar dps/pg/cpu. We are not changing that this time around. However, increasing fitting cost on smg's is another solution. Let's see how the magsec plays out with new handling and we will hotfix some of the key issues. I need more data to take the next step, just as we are doing second or third round of assault rifle balance tweaks in Delta. how is increasing SMGs fitting cost a solution? it already has the fitting cost of a light weapon without the range and dps of a light weapon. fitting cost increase is not only a unnecessary but also a nerf to the minmatar assault. the SMG is the only sidearm that benefits from the minmatar assaults bonus and the minmatar assault does not have the best fitting capabilities. This ^ ?
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5753	Posted - 2014.09.22 21:08:00 - [14] - Quote I'm pretty sure firecrackers have a larger blast radius.......... It could be fixed by simply increasing this. The blast radius increase would mean that its more likely that that huge 3 round clip will actually count. And iv seen people saying that its a skill shot weapon, aren't they all though?. And it says in the description that it can fire homing missiles, where are they?. "An abnormally heightened consciousness of one's self, which leads to a viscous circle of heightened awareness of self."
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5753	Posted - 2014.09.22 21:12:00 - [15] - Quote Its a fun weapon but its not to be taken seriously at all. Michael Jackson style strafing with skew whiff hit detection moots the whole 'its a skill shot weapon' argument. No explosives are skill shot weapons. The flaylock fails with its radius that is comparable to a fart and its tiny clip. "An abnormally heightened consciousness of one's self, which leads to a viscous circle of heightened awareness of self."


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