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Jack 3enimble wrote:

DeathwindRising wrote:

AR optimal range is 50m and 70m effective. The only thing limiting it is the lack of a scope.

400 dps on the RR with a smaller clip, the inability to feather your fire are not to be overlooked. You lose a lot of dps that way.

The assault RR is terrible. The lack of a scope, no increase in clip size or ammo, and the less range aren't enough to make me choose it over the regular RR.

The problem with the AR is the same problem people have with blasters in eve. If you're not running speed mods then you won't be able to make proper use of the weapon. I'll run an AR on a gal assault fitted with all damage mods and use a kincat with ferroscale or reactive plates. I'll bring a needle but I recommend using a scanner.

Highly mobile dps platform with enough hp to outlast anyone you find with the scanner and enough speed to run away when you need to. It's very effective on cqc maps

It's sad people are still knocking the rail rifle down with range and power arguments, but never notice:
clipsize
while the clipsize is smaller, the TTE (Time to Empty on the RR is about 1.4 seconds longer, givjng you an extra 400 dmg over your opponent before you reload.

ammo capacity
Same as above, you fire at much slower ROF, so your ammo lasts longer by comparison.

kick
while the kick ks relatively high, the recoil itself is lower than average, this is why players have no difficulty maintaining DOT at long range.

ROF
ROF of fire is simply a preference, the DPS is what matters since, the worlds average accuracy is always the same.
If this alone is not enough, I perform equally well with the ACR and BreachAR, if ROF was a real balance factor and not a derivative, I would perform considerably worse with the Breach

Charge up time (cant control it by bursting)
Charge up time is minimal, approximately 35 DPS headstart for your opponent (21 is typical capitalisation)

Also the fact that it's the racial weapon of a shield suit that according to those same people is not supposed to brawl at close range but fight at range.
Which is why its short range effectiveness is the source of so many complaints about the weapon.

The Galente are short range brawlers. The AR is devastating at close range on a brawler suit like a rep tank Gal assault. Seeing short range on the AR as design flaw is not valid because the AR is a short range weapon. Now the AR could use some extra range, but to compare it to the RR is not right because both weapons are designed to do completely different things.
Both are designated 'General Purpose Rifles' while an AR shouldn't beat an RR at range, the RR shouldn't beat the AR up close.

I would compare the AR to the CR

I guess the RR QQ continues not matter what..

They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!


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Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3525	Posted - 2014.09.18 22:59:00 - [1] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: AR optimal range is 50m and 70m effective. The only thing limiting it is the lack of a scope. 400 dps on the RR with a smaller clip, the inability to feather your fire are not to be overlooked. You lose a lot of dps that way. The assault RR is terrible. The lack of a scope, no increase in clip size or ammo, and the less range aren't enough to make me choose it over the regular RR. The problem with the AR is the same problem people have with blasters in eve. If you're not running speed mods then you won't be able to make proper use of the weapon. I'll run an AR on a gal assault fitted with all damage mods and use a kincat with ferroscale or reactive plates. I'll bring a needle but I recommend using a scanner. Highly mobile dps platform with enough hp to outlast anyone you find with the scanner and enough speed to run away when you need to. It's very effective on cqc maps It's sad people are still knocking the rail rifle down with range and power arguments, but never notice: clipsize while the clipsize is smaller, the TTE (Time to Empty on the RR is about 1.4 seconds longer, givjng you an extra 400 dmg over your opponent before you reload. ammo capacity Same as above, you fire at much slower ROF, so your ammo lasts longer by comparison. kick while the kick ks relatively high, the recoil itself is lower than average, this is why players have no difficulty maintaining DOT at long range. ROF ROF of fire is simply a preference, the DPS is what matters since, the worlds average accuracy is always the same. If this alone is not enough, I perform equally well with the ACR and BreachAR, if ROF was a real balance factor and not a derivative, I would perform considerably worse with the Breach Charge up time (cant control it by bursting) Charge up time is minimal, approximately 35 DPS headstart for your opponent (21 is typical capitalisation) Also the fact that it's the racial weapon of a shield suit that according to those same people is not supposed to brawl at close range but fight at range. Which is why its short range effectiveness is the source of so many complaints about the weapon. The Galente are short range brawlers. The AR is devastating at close range on a brawler suit like a rep tank Gal assault. Seeing short range on the AR as design flaw is not valid because the AR is a short range weapon. Now the AR could use some extra range, but to compare it to the RR is not right because both weapons are designed to do completely different things. Both are designated 'General Purpose Rifles' while an AR shouldn't beat an RR at range, the RR shouldn't beat the AR up close. I would compare the AR to the CR I guess the RR QQ continues not matter what.. So long as it is founded, QQ will happen in droves. So long as it is founded, people like myself will back up others QQ with actual evidence, not just conjecture. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3