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Posted - 2014.09.18 22:42:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Just to make one point, I tried all night to just play swarm AV. Proto swarms, not full skills, triple dmg mods.
I lost more suits than I have ever lost in a night, and I didn't kill a single dropship, nor a tank. One time I swear the ADS wagged at me as I launched the 3 death swarm, turned around and blasted away and came back to kill me.
Admittedly, not the best AVer out there, but, it's not only about not being able to kill vehicles, it's all the times I am trying to chase a double hit dropship or HAV, and get shot by any other infantry. I died 50% from not being able to defend my self against infantry, and the rest by blaster tanks or missile turret ads's.
Militia swarms being a threat is class A bs. Good. A ridiculous free suit shouldn't be able to do anything to a million isk vehicle. There is a thing called value to consider. Now, had you friends helping out or god forbid a forge gun you would have killed all of your targets. And had you played commando you would've been able to fight off infantry threats and drive away vehicle threats. Now if an ADS is flying so fast he can't be hit by swarms, he can't hit his targets on the ground either. That means without killing him, you nullified him as a threat. If you want that to feel more rewarding I recommend you change the acceleration, but not the top speed, of an ADS. That allows quick blow-throughs to outrun all swarms, as they should be able to, but doesn't allow them to escape when they've been hovering around like jackasses because they won't be able to accelerate to that top speed fast enough. Just don't use a free suit and expect value, because you deserve none.
1) He was using PRO Swarms with 3x Damage Mods, he is toting the best AV weaponry available, not accounting for his skill (no offence - R), he should have at least made 1 kill against a vehicle over a nights worth of public matches.
2) So let me see if I understand this.
A MLT Frontline Dropsuit kiling a PRO Dropsuit - Fine (0:120,000)
A MLT Tank killing multiple PRO Dropsuits - Fine (70,000:5,000,000)
A MLT Swarm being barely a threat - God Forbid
3) Yes when you starting bringing up value you have to remember the value of the AV suits used against you too. My current Assault AV fitting at 65,000 ISK (ADV) is onlt good for ONE vehicle, if I'm successful in destroying a vehicle I must then FIGHT my way back to a suply depot so that I have enoigh munitions to take on another.
On average an AVer will die 3-4 for each vehicle he suppresses/kills, he can't engage the tank with a reckless regard for his own well being, he would be too ineffective. Chances are as you roll in in a tank , your tagged. But the AVer has to ensure he will do enough damage to kill.
4) Commandos make poor AV units, they lack many required traits that make other suits desirable for AV duties, he also receives no eHP bonuses over most medium suits and lacks the versatility required.
Commandos are a Jack of all trades class much more so than the Assault.
5) Finally mlt tank, mlt AV, why is one allowed to be as equally powerful as it's skilled variation but the other not?
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Posted - 2014.09.19 09:24:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Joel II X wrote:ADS are faster than swarms. They're not. Have you flown an ADS? I do. They catch up.
Extra Extra! Dev is wrong because Spkr4thedead says so.
Unrelated Article: Community suggests Spkr4thedead should learn to read.
CCP Rattati wrote:ADS has a faster top speed than Swarms, fact
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