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TH1EFOFSOuLS Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 7	Posted - 2014.09.17 17:04:00 - [1] - Quote I was straight told by aittim and some other dude that all these skills here should make you equal to a tank. GÇó Dropsuit Command III GÇó Minmatar Heavy Dropsuits III - [ok this is all understandable here. a total of about 2.4 mil SP] GÇó Minmatar Commando V GÇó Dropsuit Upgrades IV GÇó Dropsuit Biotic Upgrades V [because kincats are just that important] GÇó Dropsuit Armor Upgrades V GÇó Armor Plating V [Ok you have to have the best armor mods because your just the dedicated] GÇó Armor Repairing V GÇó Dropsuit Shield Upgrades V [ohhhh lets not forget our shield guys] GÇó Shield Extension V GÇó Dropsuit Core Upgrades V [ because its so hard to fit all this on a proto] GÇó Dropsuit Engineering V [because its so hard to fit all this on a proto] GÇó Nanocircuitry V [basic and ADV nano hives just don't cut it huh?] GÇó Dropsuit Electronics V [ Fittings. Much red. wow.] GÇó Range Amplification V [its hard enough to see tanks huh] GÇó Profile Dampening V [I have to stay hidden from those Mlt suits man.] GÇó Precision Enhancement V [I must see everything my eyes are not enough.] GÇó Weaponry V [This is where it gets good] GÇó Swarm Launcher Operation V [Of course need this.] GÇó Swarm Launcher Proficiency V [Power is important] GÇó Swarm Launcher Ammo Capacity V [ Yeah those proto hives simply are not enough.] GÇó Swarm Launcher Rapid Reload V [25% reload speed isn't enough ether huh] GÇó Swarm Launcher Fitting Optimization V [ yeah because fitting is soooooo hard on a proto] GÇó [Secondary Weapon] Operation V [Yeah need that proto stomping gear dog.] GÇó [Secondary Weapon] Proficiency V [Only the best will cut it.] GÇó [Secondary Weapon] Capacity V [ would not want to run out of your million bullets huh?] So all this puts you as a supposed 22-25 mil SP? Well If a tanker could max everything in one go like you just did what would we have to do? lol well. Vehicle cammand Vehicle command V Hav 1 LAV3 Drop ship operation 3 Assault Dropships 5 Caldari/ Gal assault Dropships 5 So are grand total for vehcile cammand alone is 7,437,200Mil SP. Vehcile upgrades. Vehicle upgades Armor upgrades Armor Comp Armor fitting Armor Rep Vehicle core Vehicle eng Vehicle Electronics Core calibration Core management Turret upgrades Turret damage mod fittings Shield upgrades Shield fittings Shield Reg Pretty short list right? hmmm... Grand total... 13.717.620 Mil SP personally i still have 5 mil to put into vehicle upgrades. So so far we are at a combined total of 21mil SP lol and that is assuming i dont want any turrets. Now lets go into turret upgrades -_- Now i wont be going into Ammo or reload that much because us tankers are not insecure scrubs like that dude aittm and all you Hardcore "i wanna stomp milta all day" AVers out there. Turret upgrades. L rail L missile L blaster S rail S missile S blaster What does it take to unlock all this? 4,974,720 Thats just to get the turrets. Not counting the reloads fittings and Prof(which is turret rotation) So what would it take to max all the turret rotation speeds? 9,327,600 mil SP and what about the reload skills? 5,596,200 Mil SP ammo capacity (which every AVer just cant play without) another 5,596,200 Mil SP. Oh and then there is the matter of our fittings huh? oh well thats just 11,193,120 SP no big deal. So to be a Max skill tanker it will take? A grand total of 50,405,460 Mil SP. Am I saying I want tanks to be unstoppable. No what im saying If you don't have a single point in tanks and your just a killer. Don't be mad when someone gets on a point who wants to change the outcome of the game. Your damn right im saying No one AVer no matter how much SP he put into his Craft should kill a tank in 4 volleys by himself. Its your fault you wanted to be a proto stomper now deal with it. So much as a basic rail tank can cause any ion cannon a problem. Im not saying this to convince anyone on the forums because 90% of you that are on here are the ones that don't want your ** nerfed and will stay on here or hours to ensure it stays that way. The simple fact of the matter is Tanks and ADS don't have any authority on this game anymore. Only the guys with Proto out ** hugging each other do and it needs to be fixed and if no one wants to fix it and 1 AVer is equal to 1 tank than the SP needs to be equal as well. Or just remove them rom the game like the proto stompers want to Rep tools and heavys are #1. There is no hiding or getting around those guys is there? Its already bad enough my tank is useless on most of the maps anyways. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWYWslg2oXQ <--- Tanker tears.
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 634	Posted - 2014.09.17 17:27:00 - [2] - Quote Those are scrub skills anyways. Real men use forge guns.
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 419	Posted - 2014.09.17 17:38:00 - [3] - Quote I'll admit I only scanned, got very ranty. SP/ISK are not balancing factors. By that logic my fully specced Logi should require a squad of MLT to take me down. I see you also said you think tanks shouldn't be soloed, yet it's perfectly fine for you to run said tank solo? Teamwork for thee, no teamwork for me .
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2074	Posted - 2014.09.17 17:39:00 - [4] - Quote Dust User wrote: Those are scrub skills anyways. Real men use forge guns. But that means you actually have to aim. Dust was real! I was there!
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1469	Posted - 2014.09.17 17:41:00 - [5] - Quote Personally I think the mindset that weapons specifically designed to destroy vehicles should be ineffective against them is pretty damn stupid. We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Atiim 12218	Posted - 2014.09.17 17:43:00 - [6] - Quote The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Joel II X Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 3450	Posted - 2014.09.17 17:52:00 - [7] - Quote Rizlax Yazzax wrote: Teamwork for thee, no teamwork for me . Gets me every time
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 909	Posted - 2014.09.17 17:56:00 - [8] - Quote TH1EFOFSOuLS wrote: I was straight told by aittim and some other dude that all these skills here should make you equal to a tank. GÇó Dropsuit Command III GÇó Minmatar Heavy Dropsuits III - [ok this is all understandable here. a total of about 2.4 mil SP] GÇó Minmatar Commando V GÇó Dropsuit Upgrades IV GÇó Dropsuit Biotic Upgrades V [because kincats are just that important] GÇó Dropsuit Armor Upgrades V GÇó Armor Plating V [Ok you have to have the best armor mods because your just the dedicated] GÇó Armor Repairing V GÇó Dropsuit Shield Upgrades V [ohhhh lets not forget our shield guys] GÇó Shield Extension V GÇó Dropsuit Core Upgrades V [ because its so hard to fit all this on a proto] GÇó Dropsuit Engineering V [because its so hard to fit all this on a proto] GÇó Nanocircuitry V [basic and ADV nano hives just don't cut it huh?] GÇó Dropsuit Electronics V [ Fittings. Much red. wow.] GÇó Range Amplification V [its hard enough to see tanks huh] GÇó Profile Dampening V [I have to stay hidden from those Mlt suits man.] GÇó Precision Enhancement V [I must see everything my eyes are not enough.] GÇó Weaponry V [This is where it gets good] GÇó Swarm Launcher Operation V [Of course need this.] GÇó Swarm Launcher Proficiency V [Power is important] GÇó Swarm Launcher Ammo Capacity V [ Yeah those proto hives simply are not enough.] GÇó Swarm Launcher Rapid Reload V [25% reload speed isn't enough ether huh] GÇó Swarm Launcher Fitting Optimization V [ yeah because fitting is soooooo hard on a proto] GÇó [Secondary Weapon] Operation V [Yeah need that proto stomping gear dog.] GÇó [Secondary Weapon] Proficiency V [Only the best will cut it.] GÇó [Secondary Weapon] Capacity V [ would not want to run out of your million bullets huh?] So all this puts you as a supposed 22-25 mil SP? Well If a tanker could max everything in one go like you just did what would we have to do? lol well. Vehicle cammand Vehicle command V Hav 1 LAV3 Drop ship operation 3 Assault Dropships 5 Caldari/ Gal assault Dropships 5 So are grand total for vehcile cammand alone is 7,437,200Mil SP. Vehcile upgrades. Vehicle upgades Armor upgrades Armor Comp Armor fitting Armor Rep Vehicle core Vehicle eng Vehicle Electronics Core calibration Core management Turret upgrades Turret damage mod fittings Shield upgrades Shield fittings Shield Reg Pretty short list right? hmmm... Grand total... 13.717.620 Mil SP personally i still have 5 mil to put into vehicle upgrades. So so far we are at a combined total of 21mil SP lol and that is assuming i dont want any turrets. Now lets go into turret upgrades -_- Now i wont be going into Ammo or reload that much because us tankers are not insecure scrubs like that dude aittm and all you Hardcore "i wanna stomp milta all day" AVers out there. Turret upgrades. L rail L missile L blaster S rail S missile S blaster What does it take to unlock all this? 4,974,720 Thats just to get the turrets. Not counting the reloads fittings and Prof(which is turret rotation) So what would it take to max all the turret rotation speeds? 9,327,600 mil SP and what about the reload skills? 5,596,200 Mil SP ammo capacity (which every AVer just cant play without) another 5,596,200 Mil SP. Oh and then there is the matter of our fittings huh? oh well thats just 11,193,120 SP no big deal. So to be a Max skill tanker it will take? A grand total of 50,405,460 Mil SP. Am I saying I want tanks to be unstoppable. No what im saying If you don't have a single point in tanks and your just a killer. Don't be mad when someone gets on a point who wants to change the outcome of the game. Your damn right im saying No one AVer no matter how much SP he put into his Craft should kill a tank in 4 volleys by himself. Its your fault you wanted to be a proto stomper now deal with it. So much as a basic rail tank can cause any ion cannon a problem. Im not saying this to convince anyone on the forums because 90% of you that are on here are the ones that don't want your ** nerfed and will stay on here or hours to ensure it stays that way. The simple fact of the matter is Tanks and ADS don't have any authority on this game anymore. Only the guys with Proto out hugging each other do and it needs to be fixed and if no one wants to fix it and 1 AVer is equal to 1 tank than the SP needs to be equal as well. Or just remove them rom the game like the proto stompers want to Rep tools and heavys are #1. There is no hiding or getting around those guys is there? Its already bad enough my tank is useless on most of the maps anyways. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWYWslg2oXQ <--- Tanker tears. TL;DR all i use is swarms RE and ammo packs on minmatar assault or caldari scout.. obviously an SMG sidearm tho i think shayz cloak RE PLC hive scout seems to work great too [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah What ever happened to buffing Logi eHP in Delta?!**
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 414	Posted - 2014.09.17 18:06:00 - [9] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: TH1EFOFSOuLS wrote: I was straight told by aittim and some other dude that all these skills here should make you equal to a tank. GÇó Dropsuit Command III GÇó Minmatar Heavy Dropsuits III - [ok this is all understandable here. a total of about 2.4 mil SP] GÇó Minmatar Commando V GÇó Dropsuit Upgrades IV GÇó Dropsuit Biotic Upgrades V [because kincats are just that important] GÇó Dropsuit Armor Upgrades V GÇó Armor Plating V [Ok you have to have the best armor mods because your just the dedicated] GÇó Armor Repairing V GÇó Dropsuit Shield Upgrades V [ohhhh lets not forget our shield guys] GÇó Shield Extension V GÇó Dropsuit Core Upgrades V [ because its so hard to fit all this on a proto] GÇó Dropsuit Engineering V [because its so hard to fit all this on a proto] GÇó Nanocircuitry V [basic and ADV nano hives just don't cut it huh?] GÇó Dropsuit Electronics V [ Fittings. Much red. wow.] GÇó Range Amplification V [its hard enough to see tanks huh] GÇó Profile Dampening V [I have to stay hidden from those Mlt suits man.] GÇó Precision Enhancement V [I must see everything my eyes are not enough.] GÇó Weaponry V [This is where it gets good] GÇó Swarm Launcher Operation V [Of course need this.] GÇó Swarm Launcher Proficiency V [Power is important] GÇó Swarm Launcher Ammo Capacity V [ Yeah those proto hives simply are not enough.] GÇó Swarm Launcher Rapid Reload V [25% reload speed isn't enough ether huh] GÇó Swarm Launcher Fitting Optimization V [ yeah because fitting is soooooo hard on a proto] GÇó [Secondary Weapon] Operation V [Yeah need that proto stomping gear dog.] GÇó [Secondary Weapon] Proficiency V [Only the best will cut it.] GÇó [Secondary Weapon] Capacity V [ would not want to run out of your million bullets huh?] So all this puts you as a supposed 22-25 mil SP? Well If a tanker could max everything in one go like you just did what would we have to do? lol well. Vehicle cammand Vehicle command V Hav 1 LAV3 Drop ship operation 3 Assault Dropships 5 Caldari/ Gal assault Dropships 5 So are grand total for vehcile cammand alone is 7,437,200Mil SP. Vehcile upgrades. Vehicle upgades Armor upgrades Armor Comp Armor fitting Armor Rep Vehicle core Vehicle eng Vehicle Electronics Core calibration Core management Turret upgrades Turret damage mod fittings Shield upgrades Shield fittings Shield Reg Pretty short list right? hmmm... Grand total... 13.717.620 Mil SP personally i still have 5 mil to put into vehicle upgrades. So so far we are at a combined total of 21mil SP lol and that is assuming i dont want any turrets. Now lets go into turret upgrades -_- Now i wont be going into Ammo or reload that much because us tankers are not insecure scrubs like that dude aittm and all you Hardcore "i wanna stomp milta all day" AVers out there. Turret upgrades. L rail L missile L blaster S rail S missile S blaster What does it take to unlock all this? 4,974,720 Thats just to get the turrets. Not counting the reloads fittings and Prof(which is turret rotation) So what would it take to max all the turret rotation speeds? 9,327,600 mil SP and what about the reload skills? 5,596,200 Mil SP ammo capacity (which every AVer just cant play without) another 5,596,200 Mil SP. Oh and then there is the matter of our fittings huh? oh well thats just 11,193,120 SP no big deal. So to be a Max skill tanker it will take? A grand total of 50,405,460 Mil SP. Am I saying I want tanks to be unstoppable. No what im saying If you don't have a single point in tanks and your just a killer. Don't be mad when someone gets on a point who wants to change the outcome of the game. Your damn right im saying No one AVer no matter how much SP he put into his Craft should kill a tank in 4 volleys by himself. Its your fault you wanted to be a proto stomper now deal with it. So much as a basic rail tank can cause any ion cannon a problem. Im not saying this to convince anyone on the forums because 90% of you that are on here are the ones that don't want your ** nerfed and will stay on here or hours to ensure it stays that way. The simple fact of the matter is Tanks and ADS don't have any authority on this game anymore. Only the guys with Proto out ** hugging each other do and it needs to be fixed and if no one wants to fix it and 1 AVer is equal to 1 tank than the SP needs to be equal as well. Or just remove them rom the game like the proto stompers want to Rep tools and heavys are #1. There is no hiding or getting around those guys is there? Its already bad enough my tank is useless on most of the maps anyways. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWYWslg2oXQ <--- Tanker tears. TL;DR all i use is swarms RE and ammo packs on minmatar assault or caldari scout.. obviously an SMG sidearm tho i think shayz cloak RE PLC hive scout seems to work great too You're overstating your argument. You have LVL 3 and 5 skills in your AV plan, but EVERY. SINGLE. THING in vehicles to 5. Sure, vehicle SP is intensive. It should be. A good tanker is driving around in a neigh unstoppable killing machine and ADS' rain missiles and rail bolts from the sky. I have both, Proto fits for AV, Infantry and Vehicles and My tanks have proto larges, pro smalls and I'm about 200K from finishing off my last important vehicle skill.
Sergeant Sazu New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 126	Posted - 2014.09.17 18:14:00 - [10] - Quote I'm finding AVing to be easy lately, honestly. Let me bring up some points though: AV Pros: -Massive damage output potential, and sometimes can't be returned by the HAV -Can sit on inaccessible areas and suppress vehicles/keep Dropships from removing them from the perch Cons: -Restricts and/or removes anti-infantry potential, creating a distracted and poorly armed target for other infantry HAV Pros: -Massive damage/slaying potential, usually not answered immediately -Immunity to small arms fire, granting the ability of suppression Cons: -Expensive(ish) -Immobile, can't go everywhere However, keep this in mind: AV is specifically intended just for destroying vehicles. It should succeed at it's job to some degree, right? Plus vehicles can kill anything they want. Hate to be biased, but I'd rather the infantry be dominant over the giant metal slaying machine that's immune to bullets. This is coming from someone with plenty of experience on both sides. P.S. Add damage mods to the AV list. Those are vital. Breach weapon specialist Behold my... uh, something other than DPS!

MrShooter01 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 833	Posted - 2014.09.17 18:28:00 - [11] - Quote Rizlax Yazzax wrote: I see you also said you think tanks shouldn't be soloed, yet it's perfectly fine for you to run said tank solo? Teamwork for thee, no teamwork for me . I don't usually get invested in these sorts of threads because they make my head hurt, but have any of you guys ever seen a tanker take a stab at responding to this argument? In the AV vs V threads I've read, vehicle users harp on and on about how it should be borderline impossible for a solo player to kill them, and then when someone posts the whole "requiring teamwork and specialized weapons to kill one player, effectively reducing their numbers against enemy slayer infantry is stupid balance" argument, they pretend they missed the post, desperately try to change the subject, or stop posting in the thread entirely
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2809	Posted - 2014.09.17 18:32:00 - [12] - Quote MrShooter01 wrote: Rizlax Yazzax wrote: I see you also said you think tanks shouldn't be soloed, yet it's perfectly fine for you to run said tank solo? Teamwork for thee, no teamwork for me . I don't usually get invested in these sorts of threads because they make my head hurt, but have any of you guys ever seen a tanker take a stab at responding to this argument? In the AV vs V threads I've read, vehicle users harp on and on about how it should be borderline impossible for a solo player to kill them, and then when someone posts the whole "requiring teamwork and specialized weapons to kill one player, effectively reducing their numbers against enemy slayer infantry is stupid balance" argument, they pretend they missed the post, desperately try to change the subject, or stop posting in the thread entirely That's because logic hurts them badly. There's a few good tankers who's main complaint is that tanks are boring. I can sympathize, you play a game to have fun not hit your head on the desk. The bad tankers want an invulnerable IWIN butan that allows them to farm kills like a god-possessed combine harvester. Totally stealing that description. It's appropriate.
Atiim 12221	Posted - 2014.09.17 18:36:00 - [13] - Quote MrShooter01 wrote: Rizlax Yazzax wrote: I see you also said you think tanks shouldn't be soloed, yet it's perfectly fine for you to run said tank solo? Teamwork for thee, no teamwork for me . I don't usually get invested in these sorts of threads because they make my head hurt, but have any of you guys ever seen a tanker take a stab at responding to this argument? In the AV vs V threads I've read, vehicle users harp on and on about how it should be borderline impossible for a solo player to kill them, and then when someone posts the whole "requiring teamwork and specialized weapons to kill one player, effectively reducing their numbers against enemy slayer infantry is stupid balance" argument, they pretend they missed the post, desperately try to change the subject, or stop posting in the thread entirely https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=135107 The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2076	Posted - 2014.09.17 19:29:00 - [14] - Quote MrShooter01 wrote: Rizlax Yazzax wrote: I see you also said you think tanks shouldn't be soloed, yet it's perfectly fine for you to run said tank solo? Teamwork for thee, no teamwork for me . I don't usually get invested in these sorts of threads because they make my head hurt, but have any of you guys ever seen a tanker take a stab at responding to this argument? In the AV vs V threads I've read, vehicle users harp on and on about how it should be borderline impossible for a solo player to kill them, and then when someone posts the whole "requiring teamwork and specialized weapons to kill one player, effectively reducing their numbers against enemy slayer infantry is stupid balance" argument, they pretend they missed the post, desperately try to change the subject, or stop posting in the thread entirely I'd like to clarify my personal opinion on that last part. It should be very possible for a single (decently skilled) AVer to kill any vehicle, but it should not be easy or relatively. It should be easy, however, for a single AVer to threaten any vehicle and force it to either disengage or to immediately engage the AVer. A pilot should have enough time to decide whether to fight a single AVer or to try and escape with a reasonable chance to (most cases, sometimes you really do screw yourself). A single AVer should be a THREAT, but not necessarily a hard counter. The overall goal for a solo AVer should not be vehicle kills but vehicle suppression (which is why you get +1-2x the SP for vehicle damage than destructions). Currently that is the case with all AV (minus the PLC) against all vehicles (minus more or less a ++ber rep tanked Maddy), which is why I'm hesitant to accept AV buffs. Dust was real! I was there!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13322	Posted - 2014.09.17 20:48:00 - [15] - Quote I think he meant "not equal but able to effectively combat"..... and that is essentially how it should be. AV should be able to do their jobs, hit tanks hard with powerful weapons either to destroy or force them back off the field. Just like tanks should (but don't) carry this games largest cannons and launcher weapons and be able deploy that fire power against enemy vehicles or strong points. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1136	Posted - 2014.09.17 20:51:00 - [16] - Quote The OP pretty much states that he thinks that One AV'er should not be able to kill one pilot and that SP/ISK investment should determine the outcome. The mindset of this AV'er is that too often that this is the mindset of tankers even though both arguments have been discredited. Because, that's why.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1879	Posted - 2014.09.17 21:00:00 - [17] - Quote TH1EFOFSOuLS wrote: I was straight told by aittim and some other dude that all these skills here should make you equal to a tank. GÇó Dropsuit Command III GÇó Minmatar Heavy Dropsuits III - [ok this is all understandable here. a total of about 2.4 mil SP] GÇó Minmatar Commando V GÇó Dropsuit Upgrades IV GÇó Dropsuit Biotic Upgrades V [because kincats are just that important] GÇó Dropsuit Armor Upgrades V GÇó Armor Plating V [Ok you have to have the best armor mods because your just the dedicated] GÇó Armor Repairing V GÇó Dropsuit Shield Upgrades V [ohhhh lets not forget our shield guys] GÇó Shield Extension V GÇó Dropsuit Core Upgrades V [ because its so hard to fit all this on a proto] GÇó Dropsuit Engineering V [because its so hard to fit all this on a proto] GÇó Nanocircuitry V [basic and ADV nano hives just don't cut it huh?] GÇó Dropsuit Electronics V [ Fittings. Much red. wow.] GÇó Range Amplification V [its hard enough to see tanks huh] GÇó Profile Dampening V [I have to stay hidden from those Mlt suits man.] GÇó Precision Enhancement V [I must see everything my eyes are not enough.] GÇó Weaponry V [This is where it gets good] GÇó Swarm Launcher Operation V [Of course need this.] GÇó Swarm Launcher Proficiency V [Power is important] GÇó Swarm Launcher Ammo Capacity V [ Yeah those proto hives simply are not enough.] GÇó Swarm Launcher Rapid Reload V [25% reload speed isn't enough ether huh] GÇó Swarm Launcher Fitting Optimization V [ yeah because fitting is soooooo hard on a proto] GÇó [Secondary Weapon] Operation V [Yeah need that proto stomping gear dog.] GÇó [Secondary Weapon] Proficiency V [Only the best will cut it.] GÇó [Secondary Weapon] Capacity V [ would not want to run out of your million bullets huh?] So all this puts you as a supposed 22-25 mil SP? Well If a tanker could max everything in one go like you just did what would we have to do? lol well. Vehicle cammand Vehicle command V Hav 1 LAV3 Drop ship operation 3 Assault Dropships 5 Caldari/ Gal assault Dropships 5 So are grand total for vehcile cammand alone is 7,437,200Mil SP. Vehcile upgrades. Vehicle upgades Armor upgrades Armor Comp Armor fitting Armor Rep Vehicle core Vehicle eng Vehicle Electronics Core calibration Core management Turret upgrades Turret damage mod fittings Shield upgrades Shield fittings Shield Reg Pretty short list right? hmmm... Grand total... 13.717.620 Mil SP personally i still have 5 mil to put into vehicle upgrades. So so far we are at a combined total of 21mil SP lol and that is assuming i dont want any turrets. Now lets go into turret upgrades -_- Now i wont be going into Ammo or reload that much because us tankers are not insecure scrubs like that dude aittm and all you Hardcore "i wanna stomp milta all day" AVers out there. Turret upgrades. L rail L missile L blaster S rail S missile S blaster What does it take to unlock all this? 4,974,720 Thats just to get the turrets. Not counting the reloads fittings and Prof(which is turret rotation) So what would it take to max all the turret rotation speeds? 9,327,600 mil SP and what about the reload skills? 5,596,200 Mil SP ammo capacity (which every AVer just cant play without) another 5,596,200 Mil SP. Oh and then there is the matter of our fittings huh? oh well thats just 11,193,120 SP no big deal. So to be a Max skill tanker it will take? A grand total of 50,405,460 Mil SP. Am I saying I want tanks to be unstoppable. No what im saying If you don't have a single point in tanks and your just a killer. Don't be mad when someone gets on a point who wants to change the outcome of the game. Your damn right im saying No one AVer no matter how much SP he put into his Craft should kill a tank in 4 volleys by himself. Its your fault you wanted to be a proto stomper now deal with it. So much as a basic rail tank can cause any ion cannon a problem. Im not saying this to convince anyone on the forums because 90% of you that are on here are the ones that don't want your ** nerfed and will stay on here or hours to ensure it stays that way. The simple fact of the matter is Tanks and ADS don't have any authority on this game anymore. Only the guys with Proto out ** hugging each other do and it needs to be fixed and if no one wants to fix it and 1 AVer is equal to 1 tank than the SP needs to be equal as well. Or just remove them rom the game like the proto stompers want to Rep tools and heavys are #1. There is no hiding or getting around those guys is there? Its already bad enough my tank is useless on most of the maps anyways. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWYWslg2oXQ <--- Tanker tears. You have listed a load of stuff that could not possibly be used at the same time (HAV and ADS; large blaster, large missile, and large rail, etc). The equivalent would be to list ALL infantry skills. That's going to cost a lot more than your paltry 50mil SP, it'll be well over 100mil. So all your argument does is show that it takes less SP to be a full skill vehicle user...


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