Those are scrub skills anyways. Real men use forge guns.

Teamwork for thee, no teamwork for me .

I was straight told by aittim and some other dude that all these skills here should make you equal to a tank.

GÇó Dropsuit Command III
GÇó Minmatar Heavy Dropsuits III - [ok this is all understandable here. a total of about 2.4 mil SP]
GÇó Minmatar Commando V

GÇó Dropsuit Upgrades IV
GÇó Dropsuit Biotic Upgrades V [because kincats are just that important]

GÇó Dropsuit Armor Upgrades V
GÇó Armor Plating V [Ok you have to have the best armor mods because your just the dedicated]
GÇó Armor Repairing V

GÇó Dropsuit Shield Upgrades V [ohhhh lets not forget our shield guys]
GÇó Shield Extension V

GÇó Dropsuit Core Upgrades V [ because its so hard to fit all this on a proto]
GÇó Dropsuit Engineering V [because its so hard to fit all this on a proto]
GÇó Nanocircuitry V [basic and ADV nano hives just don't cut it huh?]

GÇó Dropsuit Electronics V [ Fittings. Much red. wow.]
GÇó Range Amplification V [its hard enough to see tanks huh]
GÇó Profile Dampening V [I have to stay hidden from those Mlt suits man.]
GÇó Precision Enhancement V [I must see everything my eyes are not enough.]

GÇó Weaponry V [This is where it gets good]
GÇó Swarm Launcher Operation V [Of course need this.]
GÇó Swarm Launcher Proficiency V [Power is important]
GÇó Swarm Launcher Ammo Capacity V [ Yeah those proto hives simply are not enough.]
GÇó Swarm Launcher Rapid Reload V [25% reload speed isn't enough ether huh]
GÇó Swarm Launcher Fitting Optimization V [ yeah because fitting is soooooo hard on a proto]

GÇó [Secondary Weapon] Operation V [Yeah need that proto stomping gear dog.]
GÇó [Secondary Weapon] Proficiency V [Only the best will cut it.]
GÇó [Secondary Weapon] Capacity V [ would not want to run out of your million bullets huh?]

So all this puts you as a supposed 22-25 mil SP?

Well If a tanker could max everything in one go like you just did what would we have to do? lol well.

Vehicle cammand

Vehicle command V
Hav 1
LAV3
Drop ship operation 3
Assault Dropships 5
Caldari/ Gal assault Dropships 5

So are grand total for vehcile cammand alone is 7,437,200Mil SP.

Vehcile upgrades.

Vehicle upgades
Armor upgrades
Armor Comp
Armor fitting
Armor Rep
Vehicle core
Vehicle eng
Vehicle Electronics
Core calibration
Core management
Turret upgrades
Turret damage mod fittings
Shield upgrades
Shield fittings
Shield Reg

Pretty short list right? hmmm... Grand total... 13.717.620 Mil SP personally i still have 5 mil to put into vehicle upgrades.
So so far we are at a combined total of 21mil SP lol and that is assuming i dont want any turrets. Now lets go into turret upgrades -_-

Now i wont be going into Ammo or reload that much because us tankers are not insecure scrubs like that dude aittm and all you Hardcore "i wanna stomp milta all day" AVers out there.


Turret upgrades.

L rail
L missile
L blaster

S rail
S missile
S blaster

What does it take to unlock all this? 4,974,720 Thats just to get the turrets. Not counting the reloads fittings and Prof(which is turret rotation)

So what would it take to max all the turret rotation speeds? 9,327,600 mil SP
and what about the reload skills? 5,596,200 Mil SP
ammo capacity (which every AVer just cant play without) another 5,596,200 Mil SP.

Oh and then there is the matter of our fittings huh? oh well thats just 11,193,120 SP no big deal.

So to be a Max skill tanker it will take? A grand total of 50,405,460 Mil SP.

Am I saying I want tanks to be unstoppable. No what im saying If you don't have a single point in tanks and your just a killer. Don't be mad when someone gets on a point who wants to change the outcome of the game.

Your damn right im saying No one AVer no matter how much SP he put into his Craft should kill a tank in 4 volleys by himself.
Its your fault you wanted to be a proto stomper now deal with it. So much as a basic rail tank can cause any ion cannon a problem.

Im not saying this to convince anyone on the forums because 90% of you that are on here are the ones that don't want your **** nerfed and will stay on here or hours to ensure it stays that way.

The simple fact of the matter is Tanks and ADS don't have any authority on this game anymore. Only the guys with Proto out **** hugging each other do and it needs to be fixed and if no one wants to fix it and 1 AVer is equal to 1 tank than the SP needs to be equal as well. Or just remove them rom the game like the proto stompers want to Rep tools and heavys are #1. There is no hiding or getting around those guys is there? Its already bad enough my tank is useless on most of the maps anyways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWYWslg2oXQ <--- Tanker tears.

TL;DR

all i use is swarms RE and ammo packs on minmatar assault or caldari scout.. obviously an SMG sidearm tho i think shayz cloak RE PLC hive scout seems to work great too

I see you also said you think tanks shouldn't be soloed, yet it's perfectly fine for you to run said tank solo? Teamwork for thee, no teamwork for me .

I don't usually get invested in these sorts of threads because they make my head hurt, but have any of you guys ever seen a tanker take a stab at responding to this argument?

In the AV vs V threads I've read, vehicle users harp on and on about how it should be borderline impossible for a solo player to kill them, and then when someone posts the whole "requiring teamwork and specialized weapons to kill one player, effectively reducing their numbers against enemy slayer infantry is stupid balance" argument, they pretend they missed the post, desperately try to change the subject, or stop posting in the thread entirely

I don't usually get invested in these sorts of threads because they make my head hurt, but have any of you guys ever seen a tanker take a stab at responding to this argument?

In the AV vs V threads I've read, vehicle users harp on and on about how it should be borderline impossible for a solo player to kill them, and then when someone posts the whole "requiring teamwork and specialized weapons to kill one player, effectively reducing their numbers against enemy slayer infantry is stupid balance" argument, they pretend they missed the post, desperately try to change the subject, or stop posting in the thread entirely

I don't usually get invested in these sorts of threads because they make my head hurt, but have any of you guys ever seen a tanker take a stab at responding to this argument?

In the AV vs V threads I've read, vehicle users harp on and on about how it should be borderline impossible for a solo player to kill them, and then when someone posts the whole "requiring teamwork and specialized weapons to kill one player, effectively reducing their numbers against enemy slayer infantry is stupid balance" argument, they pretend they missed the post, desperately try to change the subject, or stop posting in the thread entirely

I was straight told by aittim and some other dude that all these skills here should make you equal to a tank.

GÇó Dropsuit Command III
GÇó Minmatar Heavy Dropsuits III - [ok this is all understandable here. a total of about 2.4 mil SP]
GÇó Minmatar Commando V

GÇó Dropsuit Upgrades IV
GÇó Dropsuit Biotic Upgrades V [because kincats are just that important]

GÇó Dropsuit Armor Upgrades V
GÇó Armor Plating V [Ok you have to have the best armor mods because your just the dedicated]
GÇó Armor Repairing V

GÇó Dropsuit Shield Upgrades V [ohhhh lets not forget our shield guys]
GÇó Shield Extension V

GÇó Dropsuit Core Upgrades V [ because its so hard to fit all this on a proto]
GÇó Dropsuit Engineering V [because its so hard to fit all this on a proto]
GÇó Nanocircuitry V [basic and ADV nano hives just don't cut it huh?]

GÇó Dropsuit Electronics V [ Fittings. Much red. wow.]
GÇó Range Amplification V [its hard enough to see tanks huh]
GÇó Profile Dampening V [I have to stay hidden from those Mlt suits man.]
GÇó Precision Enhancement V [I must see everything my eyes are not enough.]

GÇó Weaponry V [This is where it gets good]
GÇó Swarm Launcher Operation V [Of course need this.]
GÇó Swarm Launcher Proficiency V [Power is important]
GÇó Swarm Launcher Ammo Capacity V [ Yeah those proto hives simply are not enough.]
GÇó Swarm Launcher Rapid Reload V [25% reload speed isn't enough ether huh]
GÇó Swarm Launcher Fitting Optimization V [ yeah because fitting is soooooo hard on a proto]

GÇó [Secondary Weapon] Operation V [Yeah need that proto stomping gear dog.]
GÇó [Secondary Weapon] Proficiency V [Only the best will cut it.]
GÇó [Secondary Weapon] Capacity V [ would not want to run out of your million bullets huh?]

So all this puts you as a supposed 22-25 mil SP?

Well If a tanker could max everything in one go like you just did what would we have to do? lol well.

Vehicle cammand

Vehicle command V
Hav 1
LAV3
Drop ship operation 3
Assault Dropships 5
Caldari/ Gal assault Dropships 5

So are grand total for vehcile cammand alone is 7,437,200Mil SP.

Vehcile upgrades.

Vehicle upgades
Armor upgrades
Armor Comp
Armor fitting
Armor Rep
Vehicle core
Vehicle eng
Vehicle Electronics
Core calibration
Core management
Turret upgrades
Turret damage mod fittings
Shield upgrades
Shield fittings
Shield Reg

Pretty short list right? hmmm... Grand total... 13.717.620 Mil SP personally i still have 5 mil to put into vehicle upgrades.
So so far we are at a combined total of 21mil SP lol and that is assuming i dont want any turrets. Now lets go into turret upgrades -_-

Now i wont be going into Ammo or reload that much because us tankers are not insecure scrubs like that dude aittm and all you Hardcore "i wanna stomp milta all day" AVers out there.


Turret upgrades.

L rail
L missile
L blaster

S rail
S missile
S blaster

What does it take to unlock all this? 4,974,720 Thats just to get the turrets. Not counting the reloads fittings and Prof(which is turret rotation)

So what would it take to max all the turret rotation speeds? 9,327,600 mil SP
and what about the reload skills? 5,596,200 Mil SP
ammo capacity (which every AVer just cant play without) another 5,596,200 Mil SP.

Oh and then there is the matter of our fittings huh? oh well thats just 11,193,120 SP no big deal.

So to be a Max skill tanker it will take? A grand total of 50,405,460 Mil SP.

Am I saying I want tanks to be unstoppable. No what im saying If you don't have a single point in tanks and your just a killer. Don't be mad when someone gets on a point who wants to change the outcome of the game.

Your damn right im saying No one AVer no matter how much SP he put into his Craft should kill a tank in 4 volleys by himself.
Its your fault you wanted to be a proto stomper now deal with it. So much as a basic rail tank can cause any ion cannon a problem.

Im not saying this to convince anyone on the forums because 90% of you that are on here are the ones that don't want your **** nerfed and will stay on here or hours to ensure it stays that way.

The simple fact of the matter is Tanks and ADS don't have any authority on this game anymore. Only the guys with Proto out **** hugging each other do and it needs to be fixed and if no one wants to fix it and 1 AVer is equal to 1 tank than the SP needs to be equal as well. Or just remove them rom the game like the proto stompers want to Rep tools and heavys are #1. There is no hiding or getting around those guys is there? Its already bad enough my tank is useless on most of the maps anyways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWYWslg2oXQ <--- Tanker tears.