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Joel II X
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Posted - 2014.09.13 03:29:00 -
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Scouts have strong EWAR!
Heavies have too much health and DPS!
Assaults are too versatile!
Logistics get too many wp for doing nothing but support their team!
AV can actually kill things!
NNNNEEEERRRFFFF |
CharacterNameWasTaken
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.13 03:36:00 -
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In a world where everyone complains about each other one clone rises to the top to convert everyone to commando'ism. Rated PG13 |
Leanna Boghin
Paradox Pride
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Posted - 2014.09.13 03:36:00 -
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yep just nerf everything so suits only have 1 hp of shields and 2 of armor and weapons only fire 1 round at a time (even smg) and they only do .5 hp of damage. and ambush matchs should be nova knifes only and mods should just be completely removed from the game.
now imagine if CCP actually did that lol
I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you off
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9
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Posted - 2014.09.13 04:15:00 -
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Leanna Boghin wrote:yep just nerf everything so suits only have 1 hp of shields and 2 of armor and weapons only fire 1 round at a time (even smg) and they only do .5 hp of damage. and ambush matchs should be nova knifes only and mods should just be completely removed from the game.
now imagine if CCP actually did that lol
I like the Nova Knife one!
Nova Knives are best sidearm.
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.13 04:18:00 -
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I'm sorry, but I was under the impression that the Scout GK.0 was the "do everything except wield an HMG/FG" suit in the game. Correct me if I'm wrong. |
Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.09.13 04:45:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Scouts have strong EWAR!
Heavies have too much health and DPS!
Assaults are too versatile!
Logistics get too many wp for doing nothing but support their team!
AV can actually kill things!
NNNNEEEERRRFFFF Tragic. TRAGIC!!!
(GIF)
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gustavo acosta
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.09.13 05:00:00 -
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>implying that the assault suit is most versatile when the scout can do the exact same things an assault and logi does
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
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Posted - 2014.09.13 11:27:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:>implying that the assault suit is most versatile when the scout can do the exact same things an assault and logi does
IKR?
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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Bahirae Serugiusu
Vendetta Reactionary Force
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Posted - 2014.09.13 12:22:00 -
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Everyone needs to say screw it and use the Plasma Cannon. But then again unless you get a direct hit the splash damage does nothing. But no one will ever make the Plasma Cannon anything useful or give it a worthwhile splash damage :( |
Yeeeuuuupppp
Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.09.13 14:08:00 -
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Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:Everyone needs to say screw it and use the Plasma Cannon. But then again unless you get a direct hit the splash damage does nothing. But no one will ever make the Plasma Cannon anything useful or give it a worthwhile splash damage :( .
Wannabe Slayer
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Joel II X
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Posted - 2014.09.13 14:48:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:I'm sorry, but I was under the impression that the Scout GK.0 was the "do everything except wield an HMG/FG" suit in the game. Correct me if I'm wrong. It used to be, until our dampning got nerfed.
I would recommend the Ak.0 over the Gk.0, now. |
Joel II X
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Posted - 2014.09.13 14:50:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:>implying that the assault suit is most versatile when the scout can do the exact same things an assault and logi does
IKR? More slots, and they're the middle ground so yes. They're more versatile than a scout |
Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
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Posted - 2014.09.13 15:23:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:>implying that the assault suit is most versatile when the scout can do the exact same things an assault and logi does
IKR? More slots, and they're the middle ground so yes. They're more versatile than a scout
More versatile but still not as powerful as scouts because of how powerful both Ewar and cloaks are. The problem is that both things convey great advantage and are limited, in a practical sense, to scouts.
There are a lot of cries of OP and cries for nerfing, some are just butthurt and some are justified. It is as silly to moan and cry about the complaints about imbalance as it is to make the actual unjustified complaint itself.
Because, that's why.
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Joel II X
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Posted - 2014.09.13 16:10:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:Joel II X wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:>implying that the assault suit is most versatile when the scout can do the exact same things an assault and logi does
IKR? More slots, and they're the middle ground so yes. They're more versatile than a scout More versatile but still not as powerful as scouts because of how powerful both Ewar and cloaks are. The problem is that both things convey great advantage and are limited, in a practical sense, to scouts. There are a lot of cries of OP and cries for nerfing, some are just butthurt and some are justified. It is as silly to moan and cry about the complaints about imbalance as it is to make the actual unjustified complaint itself. Of course they're not as powerful as scouts when it comes to the scouts' roles. That's the point.
Scouts can stack health, but not as much as an Assault can, same as how an Assault can run ewar mods, but not compete against an ewar scout.
I can play as every role relatively well. I do better with scouts because that's the first role I've specced into when I got this game. For me, playing as Assault is easier than a Sentinel or Commando simply because of their speed difference. However, not everyone will think that way (proven by the fact of heavy QQ). |
Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.09.13 16:14:00 -
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Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:Everyone needs to say screw it and use the Plasma Cannon. But then again unless you get a direct hit the splash damage does nothing. But no one will ever make the Plasma Cannon anything useful or give it a worthwhile splash damage :( Calm down. They're getting a projectile speed buff. I direct hit at least 80% of my shots. This buff will make it 90%...
(GIF)
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gustavo acosta
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.09.13 17:49:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:>implying that the assault suit is most versatile when the scout can do the exact same things an assault and logi does
IKR? More slots, and they're the middle ground so yes. They're more versatile than a scout Oh my god you're right, my assault can HP stack, speed stack, regen stack, damage mod stack, E-war, and even bio-tics stack.
Oh wait my scout can do all that too. My assault can run as a logi though, oh wait, no it can't. The scout can't be a logi right? Oh wait, yes it can...
But my scout can't be effective as my assault at all those roles right? Oh wait, yes they can...
huh...How is the scout not OP again?...
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
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Joel II X
Kool Kids Klub VIP
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Posted - 2014.09.13 22:19:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:Joel II X wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:>implying that the assault suit is most versatile when the scout can do the exact same things an assault and logi does
IKR? More slots, and they're the middle ground so yes. They're more versatile than a scout Oh my god you're right, my assault can HP stack, speed stack, regen stack, damage mod stack, E-war, and even bio-tics stack. Oh wait my scout can do all that too. My assault can run as a logi though, oh wait, no it can't. The scout can't be a logi right? Oh wait, yes it can... But my scout can't be effective as my assault at all those roles right? Oh wait, yes they can... huh...How is the scout not OP again?... A scout can't hp stack as much as an assault. An assault get up to scout speeds, regen as quick, and all the rest of its a dedicated build.
A scout BY DEFAULT is supposed to be faster and have stronger ewar. If it plays by its strength, of course a mimic won't be able to compete in its ground. It's not supposed to. However, when a scout tries to hp stack, an assault can do it better and fit a better gun while they're at it.
As for a scout being a better logi, i don't know. It's like a jack of all trades in that sense. Each race can use their racial equipment better than any scout, so there's that.
Modules can help frames mimic one another, but ultimately, if one frame is supposed to be used in one way and the other on another, fact is: A will never beat B in A's territory.
Scouts can be pretty lethal and versatile in terms of combat potential, but with the amount of an Assault's slots, the decrease in fitting requirements for weapons, I'd say it's the most versatile suit in the game (also, it's the middleman, so yeah). |
Atiim
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Posted - 2014.09.13 22:25:00 -
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CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:In a world where everyone complains about each other one clone rises to the top to convert everyone to commando'ism. Rated PG13 If Commandos ever became a FoTM I'd probably uninstall DUST.
The first Matari Commando
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postapo wastelander
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.09.13 22:34:00 -
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Atiim wrote:CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:In a world where everyone complains about each other one clone rises to the top to convert everyone to commando'ism. Rated PG13 If Commandos ever became a FoTM I'd probably uninstall DUST.
Honesty what wasnt FoTM already?!
"The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.09.13 22:34:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:Atiim wrote:CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:In a world where everyone complains about each other one clone rises to the top to convert everyone to commando'ism. Rated PG13 If Commandos ever became a FoTM I'd probably uninstall DUST. Honesty what wasnt FoTM already?! Not even close.
The first Matari Commando
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Forever ETC
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.09.13 22:39:00 -
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That's why I picked the Commando, it can only get better right?
"Your forefathers fought alongside the Empire, it is your choice to follow them or not." Captain Dante to "Forever".
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postapo wastelander
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.09.13 22:41:00 -
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Atiim wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Atiim wrote:CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:In a world where everyone complains about each other one clone rises to the top to convert everyone to commando'ism. Rated PG13 If Commandos ever became a FoTM I'd probably uninstall DUST. Honesty what wasnt FoTM already?! Not even close.
C'mon.
I saw logies, I saw heavies, i saw scouts, what i actualy didnt saw too much was medium frame in past. I saw flaylocks, i saw swarmies, i saw "nadetube", i saw MG, i saw "Gausie" there was too much of FoTM. Now its propably scouties, where i propably hate combo with shotie a most.
*btw sorry for my broken english, i know its not perfect
"The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
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gustavo acosta
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.09.13 22:45:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:Joel II X wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:>implying that the assault suit is most versatile when the scout can do the exact same things an assault and logi does
IKR? More slots, and they're the middle ground so yes. They're more versatile than a scout Oh my god you're right, my assault can HP stack, speed stack, regen stack, damage mod stack, E-war, and even bio-tics stack. Oh wait my scout can do all that too. My assault can run as a logi though, oh wait, no it can't. The scout can't be a logi right? Oh wait, yes it can... But my scout can't be effective as my assault at all those roles right? Oh wait, yes they can... huh...How is the scout not OP again?... A scout can't hp stack as much as an assault. An assault get up to scout speeds, regen as quick, and all the rest of its a dedicated build. A scout BY DEFAULT is supposed to be faster and have stronger ewar. If it plays by its strength, of course a mimic won't be able to compete in its ground. It's not supposed to. However, when a scout tries to hp stack, an assault can do it better and fit a better gun while they're at it. As for a scout being a better logi, i don't know. It's like a jack of all trades in that sense. Each race can use their racial equipment better than any scout, so there's that. Modules can help frames mimic one another, but ultimately, if one frame is supposed to be used in one way and the other on another, fact is: A will never beat B in A's territory. Scouts can be pretty lethal and versatile in terms of combat potential, but with the amount of an Assault's slots, the decrease in fitting requirements for weapons, I'd say it's the most versatile suit in the game (also, it's the middleman, so yeah).
ver-+sa-+tile -êv+Örs+Ötl/Submit adjective 1. able to adapt or be adapted to many different functions or activities.
I'm an assault and I can't run the E-war, or Logi role, but scouts can do each role at almost the same level as logis and assault because of their great base stats...I must be very versatile as an assault...
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.09.13 22:48:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:Atiim wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Atiim wrote:CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:In a world where everyone complains about each other one clone rises to the top to convert everyone to commando'ism. Rated PG13 If Commandos ever became a FoTM I'd probably uninstall DUST. Honesty what wasnt FoTM already?! Not even close. C'mon. I saw logies, I saw heavies, i saw scouts, what i actualy didnt saw too much was medium frame in past. I saw flaylocks, i saw swarmies, i saw "nadetube", i saw MG, i saw "Gausie" there was too much of FoTM. Now its propably scouties, where i propably hate combo with shotie a most. *btw sorry for my broken english, i know its not perfect Sorry, I thought you asked if they were a FoTM already.
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postapo wastelander
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.13 22:52:00 -
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@Atiim>No sorries needed i meant it like there was basicaly everything in the past, what i saw somehow favorised in masses of players. I thing i just used wrong word for that interpretation.
"The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
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Joel II X
Kool Kids Klub VIP
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Posted - 2014.09.14 14:00:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:Joel II X wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:Joel II X wrote:More slots, and they're the middle ground so yes. They're more versatile than a scout Oh my god you're right, my assault can HP stack, speed stack, regen stack, damage mod stack, E-war, and even bio-tics stack. Oh wait my scout can do all that too. My assault can run as a logi though, oh wait, no it can't. The scout can't be a logi right? Oh wait, yes it can... But my scout can't be effective as my assault at all those roles right? Oh wait, yes they can... huh...How is the scout not OP again?... A scout can't hp stack as much as an assault. An assault get up to scout speeds, regen as quick, and all the rest of its a dedicated build. A scout BY DEFAULT is supposed to be faster and have stronger ewar. If it plays by its strength, of course a mimic won't be able to compete in its ground. It's not supposed to. However, when a scout tries to hp stack, an assault can do it better and fit a better gun while they're at it. As for a scout being a better logi, i don't know. It's like a jack of all trades in that sense. Each race can use their racial equipment better than any scout, so there's that. Modules can help frames mimic one another, but ultimately, if one frame is supposed to be used in one way and the other on another, fact is: A will never beat B in A's territory. Scouts can be pretty lethal and versatile in terms of combat potential, but with the amount of an Assault's slots, the decrease in fitting requirements for weapons, I'd say it's the most versatile suit in the game (also, it's the middleman, so yeah). ver-+sa-+tile -êv+Örs+Ötl/Submit adjective 1. able to adapt or be adapted to many different functions or activities. I'm an assault and I can't run the E-war, or Logi role, but scouts can do each role at almost the same level as logis and assault because of their great base stats...I must be very versatile as an assault... I know what versatile means, and you CAN run an ewar fit if you choose to. You just won't be as good as a scout, since that's their role. While scouts can have two equipments, logis can have up to 4, and use them better than a scout can, so they won't be a better logi because that's not their intended role.
Get it through your thick head. Assaults can run any fit they choose (speed, health, ewar), but they won't be better at it then the suit that's actually meant to, and they shouldn't be. That's the whole point. Only role the assaults can't take up is the logistics since they only have 1 equipment. If you stopped looking at scouts to throw all the blame, perhaps you'd see the bigger picture. Scouts got their needed buffs after 1.8. Why do you think nobody used them before that (except a few handful including myself)?
Also, if you can't be versatile as an Assault, you're just bad. I can run them just fine in any shape, way, or form I choose. |
Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.09.14 14:06:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Scouts have strong EWAR!
Heavies have too much health and DPS!
Assaults are too versatile!
Logistics get too many wp for doing nothing but support their team!
AV can actually kill things!
NNNNEEEERRRFFFF scouts cannot be scanned unless you use spesific suit+focused scanner even with out that they cannot be seen on tacnet while having assault hp.
heavys are long range fodder.
assaults need a second equipment slot to be "versatile"
with out logi a team crumbles and has no chance to win
AV will have an easier time driving off ADS in delta. LAV and HAV can still duck behind walls
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What ever happened to buffing Logi eHP in Delta?!
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Joel II X
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Posted - 2014.09.14 14:33:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Joel II X wrote:Scouts have strong EWAR!
Heavies have too much health and DPS!
Assaults are too versatile!
Logistics get too many wp for doing nothing but support their team!
AV can actually kill things!
NNNNEEEERRRFFFF scouts cannot be scanned unless you use spesific suit+focused scanner even with out that they cannot be seen on tacnet while having assault hp. heavys are long range fodder. assaults need a second equipment slot to be "versatile" with out logi a team crumbles and has no chance to win AV will have an easier time driving off ADS in delta. LAV and HAV can still duck behind walls But AV can ACTUALLY kill things. Ever tried teamwork?
Assaults have their logi counterpart. Other than that, they're versatile (if not THE most versatile suit in the game).
Scouts can be passively scanned by a medium if they fit it with the correct number of tiered modules. To try to mimic the scouts' ewar abilities one must give up something since it is not their intended role.
Heavies include commando, which do not suffer from a loss of range, and even then, heavies are able to equip light weapons (not recommended). |
gustavo acosta
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.09.14 17:33:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:[ ver-+sa-+tile -êv+Örs+Ötl/Submit adjective 1. able to adapt or be adapted to many different functions or activities.
I'm an assault and I can't run the E-war, or Logi role, but scouts can do each role at almost the same level as logis and assault because of their great base stats...I must be very versatile as an assault... I know what versatile means, and you CAN run an ewar fit if you choose to. You just won't be as good as a scout, since that's their role. While scouts can have two equipments, logis can have up to 4, and use them better than a scout can, so they won't be a better logi because that's not their intended role. Get it through your thick head. Assaults can run any fit they choose (speed, health, ewar), but they won't be better at it then the suit that's actually meant to, and they shouldn't be. That's the whole point. Only role the assaults can't take up is the logistics since they only have 1 equipment. If you stopped looking at scouts to throw all the blame, perhaps you'd see the bigger picture. Scouts got their needed buffs after 1.8. Why do you think nobody used them before that (except a few handful including myself)? Also, if you can't be versatile as an Assault, you're just bad. I can run them just fine in any shape, way, or form I choose.
Like I said the scout is more versatile BECAUSE it can run almost ALL roles as effectively as the suits that are intended for said role. There's NO drawbacks for the scout to switch roles and do whatever it wants in terms of role. This is literally the only suit that can do that.
The Assault is just fine, but the scout is greater than the assault in terms of versatility. Sure the assault can be versatile, but it's nowhere as monstrously versatile as a scout. The Scouts didn't need those buffs, I ran them before 1.8 too, the only issue was that whenever I got caught I would die, that 's where cloak would've been useful, but now I'm so versatile in my scout it's easier to count all the roles I can't do, Commando and Heavy.
Just because no one used them doesn't mean they were so weak that CCP HAD to turn them into the most useful and resourceful suit in the game...
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2014.09.14 18:06:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:>implying that the assault suit is most versatile when the scout can do the exact same things an assault and logi does
IKR?
Except have higher damage values and more health, and the ability to stand toe to toe with any class in the game. Can run Speed, Tank, Damage, Ewar..
A Scout can give up being a scout and be a considerably lesser version of an Assault or a Logi...
For some that is close enough for it being better then the role it is trying to imitate.
For everyone else this is amusing concept and surreal.
It's like saying a Logi or an Assault can run a EWAR fit and not have it as effective as a scout.. But it's close enough so they are OP!
It's mind numbing and would take a person completely fixed on themselves to believe it. |
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