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gustavo acosta
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Posted - 2014.09.13 05:00:00 -
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>implying that the assault suit is most versatile when the scout can do the exact same things an assault and logi does
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Posted - 2014.09.13 17:49:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:>implying that the assault suit is most versatile when the scout can do the exact same things an assault and logi does
IKR? More slots, and they're the middle ground so yes. They're more versatile than a scout 
Oh my god you're right, my assault can HP stack, speed stack, regen stack, damage mod stack, E-war, and even bio-tics stack.
Oh wait my scout can do all that too. My assault can run as a logi though, oh wait, no it can't. The scout can't be a logi right? Oh wait, yes it can...
But my scout can't be effective as my assault at all those roles right? Oh wait, yes they can...
huh...How is the scout not OP again?...
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gustavo acosta
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Posted - 2014.09.13 22:45:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:Joel II X wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:>implying that the assault suit is most versatile when the scout can do the exact same things an assault and logi does
IKR? More slots, and they're the middle ground so yes. They're more versatile than a scout Oh my god you're right, my assault can HP stack, speed stack, regen stack, damage mod stack, E-war, and even bio-tics stack. Oh wait my scout can do all that too. My assault can run as a logi though, oh wait, no it can't. The scout can't be a logi right? Oh wait, yes it can... But my scout can't be effective as my assault at all those roles right? Oh wait, yes they can... huh...How is the scout not OP again?... A scout can't hp stack as much as an assault. An assault get up to scout speeds, regen as quick, and all the rest of its a dedicated build. A scout BY DEFAULT is supposed to be faster and have stronger ewar. If it plays by its strength, of course a mimic won't be able to compete in its ground. It's not supposed to. However, when a scout tries to hp stack, an assault can do it better and fit a better gun while they're at it. As for a scout being a better logi, i don't know. It's like a jack of all trades in that sense. Each race can use their racial equipment better than any scout, so there's that. Modules can help frames mimic one another, but ultimately, if one frame is supposed to be used in one way and the other on another, fact is: A will never beat B in A's territory. Scouts can be pretty lethal and versatile in terms of combat potential, but with the amount of an Assault's slots, the decrease in fitting requirements for weapons, I'd say it's the most versatile suit in the game (also, it's the middleman, so yeah).
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I'm an assault and I can't run the E-war, or Logi role, but scouts can do each role at almost the same level as logis and assault because of their great base stats...I must be very versatile as an assault...
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Posted - 2014.09.14 17:33:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:[
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I'm an assault and I can't run the E-war, or Logi role, but scouts can do each role at almost the same level as logis and assault because of their great base stats...I must be very versatile as an assault... I know what versatile means, and you CAN run an ewar fit if you choose to. You just won't be as good as a scout, since that's their role. While scouts can have two equipments, logis can have up to 4, and use them better than a scout can, so they won't be a better logi because that's not their intended role. Get it through your thick head. Assaults can run any fit they choose (speed, health, ewar), but they won't be better at it then the suit that's actually meant to, and they shouldn't be. That's the whole point. Only role the assaults can't take up is the logistics since they only have 1 equipment. If you stopped looking at scouts to throw all the blame, perhaps you'd see the bigger picture. Scouts got their needed buffs after 1.8. Why do you think nobody used them before that (except a few handful including myself)? Also, if you can't be versatile as an Assault, you're just bad. I can run them just fine in any shape, way, or form I choose.
Like I said the scout is more versatile BECAUSE it can run almost ALL roles as effectively as the suits that are intended for said role. There's NO drawbacks for the scout to switch roles and do whatever it wants in terms of role. This is literally the only suit that can do that.
The Assault is just fine, but the scout is greater than the assault in terms of versatility. Sure the assault can be versatile, but it's nowhere as monstrously versatile as a scout. The Scouts didn't need those buffs, I ran them before 1.8 too, the only issue was that whenever I got caught I would die, that 's where cloak would've been useful, but now I'm so versatile in my scout it's easier to count all the roles I can't do, Commando and Heavy.
Just because no one used them doesn't mean they were so weak that CCP HAD to turn them into the most useful and resourceful suit in the game...
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Posted - 2014.09.14 18:10:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:>implying that the assault suit is most versatile when the scout can do the exact same things an assault and logi does
IKR? Except have higher damage values and more health, and the ability to stand toe to toe with any class in the game. Can run Speed, Tank, Damage, Ewar...
That's what I said the scout is more versatile, glad to see you've come around...
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Posted - 2014.09.14 19:36:00 -
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Bax Zanith wrote:Joel II X wrote:
I know what versatile means, and you CAN run an ewar fit if you choose to. You just won't be as good as a scout, since that's their role. While scouts can have two equipments, logis can have up to 4, and use them better than a scout can, so they won't be a better logi because that's not their intended role.
Get it through your thick head. Assaults can run any fit they choose (speed, health, ewar), but they won't be better at it then the suit that's actually meant to, and they shouldn't be. That's the whole point. Only role the assaults can't take up is the logistics since they only have 1 equipment. If you stopped looking at scouts to throw all the blame, perhaps you'd see the bigger picture. Scouts got their needed buffs after 1.8. Why do you think nobody used them before that (except a few handful including myself)?
Also, if you can't be versatile as an Assault, you're just bad. I can run them just fine in any shape, way, or form I choose.
Okay, so we've established that scouts are for stealth and scanning, so what are assaults for?
As Ratatati said, "killing dudes..."
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Posted - 2014.09.14 19:53:00 -
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Bax Zanith wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:Bax Zanith wrote:
Okay, so we've established that scouts are for stealth and scanning, so what are assaults for?
As Ratatati said, "killing dudes..." If you think about it, all suits can do that. And all suits have there own special thing gimmick. Scouts are for stealth, logis are for equipment, scouts are for scanning, and heavies are for mass murder. So what is the assault for?
Killing dudes like butter...
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Posted - 2014.09.15 04:45:00 -
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Bax Zanith wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:Bax Zanith wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:Bax Zanith wrote:
Okay, so we've established that scouts are for stealth and scanning, so what are assaults for?
As Ratatati said, "killing dudes..." If you think about it, all suits can do that. And all suits have there own special thing gimmick. Scouts are for stealth, logis are for equipment, scouts are for scanning, and heavies are for mass murder. So what is the assault for? Killing dudes like butter... That's what heavies do.
I can't run from pointA to point B in a heavy, at least not without dying of boredom and stray bullets/rail rifles...
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Posted - 2014.09.15 13:43:00 -
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Bax Zanith wrote:My scout is more mobile than my assault, so that can't be it either.
See that's where the scout suit is OP because it can run like an assault at equal effectiveness, the assault is fine the scout just outshines it sometimes...or alot.
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Posted - 2014.09.16 01:26:00 -
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In other news, the OP just cannot understand what versatility is, or how to gauge how versatile something is. Yes the assault is not in a bad place right now in terms of the suit itself, however the scout suit is still too good. You're telling me that the assault is still better at its own role than the scout just because of the extra 100-200 base hp they get and the 1 extra slot more than the scout suit.
You're telling me that the logi is better than the scout suit because of the slightly great base ehp and 2 more slots than the scout?
Versatility isn't measured on how many slots you have on a suit, it's on how many ways you can use it EFFECTIVELY.
I can run an effective speed fitting on a scout suit.
I can run an effective logi fitting on a scout suit.
I can run an effective E-war fitting on a scout suit.
I can run an effective tank fitting on a suit.
I can be an assault in a scout suit.
The ONLY role I CAN'T run in a scout is that of a Heavy/Commando .
What are you not getting here? I even gave you the DEFINITION of versatility, man.
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