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Alena Ventrallis wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

Commandos are heavies with two light weapons. Theyre about as tanky as a good assault. The caldari ones have fast shield regen.

And I have bad news: if they take light weapons away from sentinels and heavy frames they will simply swap to a damage modded forge gun. So you will still get pasted from the rooftop anyway.

Your request is not a solution. There is a reason CCP doesnt do this.

Firstly it makes no sense that a dropsuit that can manhandle a crew served weapon solo cant pick up a rifle.

Second there are no medium range heavy weapons. We have extreme range and danger-stupid. Until that midrange gap gets plugged its often better to use a rifle than try to chase someone who is faster with an HMG.

A forge gun has less range, no zoom, slower ROF, and soon to be no splash. I'd rather them only hold the forge gun.

It makes perfect sense for heavies to be unable to manipulate rifles. They are built for massive strength to wield heavy weapons, meaning their dexterity is not nimble enough to work a rifle accurately.


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Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 12	Posted - 2014.09.11 13:06:00 - [1] - Quote Can Hotfix Delta please deal with the fact that you can't use a heavy weapon in a light weapon slot, but can use a light weapon in a heavy slot? Lately I've noticed a lot more proto heavies sat on top of towers using sniper rifles. After 3 headshots using my ADV tactical sniper rifle (with a complex damage mod), I still won't have taken their shields off, and by the time I reload, they've got their shields back to full. I sat for over half a match trying to take out a heavy who was on top of a tower. They didn't move once. Why would they need to when my headshots weren't doing any real damage to them?! Everyone seems to complain that redline snipers can't be countered, but I've yet to find a spot that can't be counter-sniped from some location or other, so rail rifles, scrambler rifles and sniper rifles can easy take out a redline sniper. Scout suits are squishy. Even with armour plates, I get taken out by one shot from various weapons. How can a heavy who is obviously using the best armour and shield upgrades be countered when they're sat on a tower or in the redline? Tl;dr: snipers are easily countered, until the player is using a heavy suit and are sat in a hard to reach spot
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 13	Posted - 2014.09.11 22:55:00 - [2] - Quote Dust User wrote: Once again, a heavy with a light weapon is useless so who cares. Not true. I've seen heavies causing chaos by sniping from behind the redline, on top of towers etc. where it takes a group of snipers firing simultaneously to get them down. I'm still not sure how a heavy was placing a new nanohives out every 30 seconds without dying or going to a supply depot, but that's a different matter. (And yes, it was a heavy and not a commando, and no there was nobody on the tower with him, nor was there an uplink.)
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 13	Posted - 2014.09.12 04:05:00 - [3] - Quote Exceos wrote: Dude i use kalakiota tactical also but most of the time i use my charge on heavies and have no problem taking them out. So stop bitching. I used my adv tactical with a complex damage mod and didn't even take shields off after 3 headshots. And by the time I reloaded, their sheilds were back up. Mina Longstrike wrote: The thing about heavies with light weapons, is once you've got the suit and the weapon, that's as good as it'll ever get. You cant use equipment with them, you often don't have a decent sidearm, damage mods or even av weapons... you're just a slow bricked suit without even equipment. They're popular for being able to survive, not for being genuinely good. I know you're not meant to have equipment, but this heavy (Caldari Heavy Frame) had nanohives. Loads of them. I checked the market place, there was no reason they should have been able to drop 1, far less the number they did, and doing some maths on the max amount of shields and armour they should have had, there's no way I should have been unable to take them out with 3 headshots (which were easy to line up considering the guy didn't even flinch when I was shooting him, and because I was directly across from him). I took out the pilot he landed with in 1 shot, so it wasn't like I was getting refraction.
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 13	Posted - 2014.09.12 11:37:00 - [4] - Quote What I don't understand is why CCP want to neef snipers, when you can counter them no matter where they are sat in any map. Their logic is that every role needs to be able to have a counter. This guy would have needed a forge gun to take him out, but you couldn't get a him due to the range limit. If tactics are the thing that's OP, why are snipers being nerfed (again)? Sitting on the MCC, or behind the redline is a tactic. Same as cloaking with a shotgun and jihad cars are. (I've heard stories of cloaked HMG players, but can't say whether they're true or not)
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 13	Posted - 2014.09.14 02:35:00 - [5] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Raptor Princess wrote: I'm still not sure how a heavy was placing a new nanohives out every 30 seconds without dying or going to a supply depot, but that's a different matter. (And yes, it was a heavy and not a commando, and no there was nobody on the tower with him, nor was there an uplink.) Did you just say a Heavy was placing Nano Hives and it was not a Commando? Yes. There was nobody up there with him - no uplink, I didn't take my eyes off him except to reload. I saw him drop more uplinks than it's possible to carry on a logi suit, far less a heavy.
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 13	Posted - 2014.09.16 16:04:00 - [6] - Quote Why can't a light suit carry a HMG anyway? Humans can carry both snipers and HMGs easily enough...
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 13	Posted - 2014.09.16 17:59:00 - [7] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Commandos are heavies with two light weapons. Theyre about as tanky as a good assault. The caldari ones have fast shield regen. And I have bad news: if they take light weapons away from sentinels and heavy frames they will simply swap to a damage modded forge gun. So you will still get pasted from the rooftop anyway. Your request is not a solution. There is a reason CCP doesnt do this. Firstly it makes no sense that a dropsuit that can manhandle a crew served weapon solo cant pick up a rifle. Second there are no medium range heavy weapons. We have extreme range and danger-stupid. Until that midrange gap gets plugged its often better to use a rifle than try to chase someone who is faster with an HMG. A forge gun has less range, no zoom, slower ROF, and soon to be no splash. I'd rather them only hold the forge gun. It makes perfect sense for heavies to be unable to manipulate rifles. They are built for massive strength to wield heavy weapons, meaning their dexterity is not nimble enough to work a rifle accurately. It is also not tactical. Itt's scrubby. Can you imagine 3 Amaar Sentiels MCC sniping with Thales? It would be carniage!