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The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 4077	Posted - 2014.09.11 01:58:00 - [1] - Quote Currently it takes way too long to find FW matches. Part of the reason is that skirmish matches take too much time to finish and with that get those players back into the matchmakin que. Another reason aswell is that skirmish is relatively unpopular cause of the redline sessions and twatts sitting in the redline doing nothing else as just sniping or redline railgun tanking. So in all honestly changing the game mode thats played to ambush would make it more interesting cause you could earn LP quicker and the standing grind woul aswell speed up a little bit. And every 1 loves ambush so why not? They say when you die you see a white light which then forms the line of: "GAME OVER! PLEASE INSERT COIN"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4010	Posted - 2014.09.11 02:01:00 - [2] - Quote I would be less likely to play FW if it were only ambush. Much less likely. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 830	Posted - 2014.09.11 02:02:00 - [3] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Currently it takes way too long to find FW matches. Part of the reason is that skirmish matches take too much time to finish and with that get those players back into the matchmakin que. Another reason aswell is that skirmish is relatively unpopular cause of the redline sessions and twatts sitting in the redline doing nothing else as just sniping or redline railgun tanking. So in all honestly changing the game mode thats played to ambush would make it more interesting cause you could earn LP quicker and the standing grind would as well speed up a little bit. And every 1 loves ambush so why not? i would like to see FW be all 3 game modes. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah What ever happened to buffing Logi eHP in Delta?!
Death Shadow117 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 439	Posted - 2014.09.11 02:06:00 - [4] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Currently it takes way too long to find FW matches. Part of the reason is that skirmish matches take too much time to finish and with that get those players back into the matchmakin que. Another reason aswell is that skirmish is relatively unpopular cause of the redline sessions and twatts sitting in the redline doing nothing else as just sniping or redline railgun tanking. So in all honestly changing the game mode thats played to ambush would make it more interesting cause you could earn LP quicker and the standing grind woul aswell speed up a little bit. And every 1 loves ambush so why not? i hate ambush but im not a cod baby either so... Remove marijuana from blocked words list.
Riruodo Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 105	Posted - 2014.09.11 02:12:00 - [5] - Quote I try to avoid ambush because it seems like the easiest mode to get pubstomped. Too many ambush battles eventually devolve to everybody shooting the crap out of each other in a bloody 20 meter radius. My other car is Utena
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 832	Posted - 2014.09.11 02:14:00 - [6] - Quote Riruodo wrote: I try to avoid ambush because it seems like the easiest mode to get pubstomped. Too many ambush battles eventually devolve to everybody shooting the crap out of each other in a bloody 20 meter radius. bu thats half the fun [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah What ever happened to buffing Logi eHP in Delta?!
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7528	Posted - 2014.09.11 02:19:00 - [7] - Quote pub scrub Lucent Echelon -The Brightest Ranks Gallente Faction Warfare Chanel
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 478	Posted - 2014.09.11 02:46:00 - [8] - Quote So the mode with better gear/salvage can be turned into proto vs. idiots form cod spawning in starter suits with no tactics mode? Ambush is just idiot bush to me. Trying it without a full squad of good ( that's not you ) players in at least adv or better... You might as well be stroking the opposing teams epeen for them. Lonewolf till I die
Joel II X Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3360	Posted - 2014.09.11 02:47:00 - [9] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I would be less likely to play FW if it were only ambush. Much less likely. This. I NEVER play ambush. Smart Deploy is sad, and I'm mostly on the losing team against squads.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 203	Posted - 2014.09.11 03:05:00 - [10] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Currently it takes way too long to find FW matches. Part of the reason is that skirmish matches take too much time to finish and with that get those players back into the matchmakin que. Another reason aswell is that skirmish is relatively unpopular cause of the redline sessions and twatts sitting in the redline doing nothing else as just sniping or redline railgun tanking. So in all honestly changing the game mode thats played to ambush would make it more interesting cause you could earn LP quicker and the standing grind woul aswell speed up a little bit. And every 1 loves ambush so why not? You obviously dont understand the term 'everyone'. Ambush is crap, always has been. No purpose except to satisfy the CoD children that the last gen of consoles raised. Legion Coming Soon(TM)

deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 965	Posted - 2014.09.11 03:16:00 - [11] - Quote This idea is just plain bad. Ambush is the shittiest game mode around thanks to "dumb deploy" and story wise it would not even fit to be trying to take a district . Also ambush with an orbital every 3 minutes would be insanely broken, that is just enough time to push them to a new smart deploy between each one and have them bunched up.
nicholas73 Glitched Connection 194	Posted - 2014.09.11 07:45:00 - [12] - Quote Oh! imagine the team killing. Proud member of Glitched Connection
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 300	Posted - 2014.09.11 10:04:00 - [13] - Quote hell no. i only play fw now, this would ruin it for me. I snipe the occasional dom to grind out isk but aside from that i only play fw "yeah i fought the redline it took it only 13 seconds....." fought scotty too but something went wrong
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2712	Posted - 2014.09.11 10:07:00 - [14] - Quote No. Not only no, but HELL NO. Ambush is about as entertaining as getting your nuts caught in a cuisinart. I prefer skirm/dom where arena deathmatch twitch play is not the only viable playstyle.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1804	Posted - 2014.09.11 10:32:00 - [15] - Quote Thinking outside the box here, but how about: There is NO pub skirmish. FF removed from FW. Basically FW becomes the skirmish mode. Let's face it, FW does not work in its current state, no one likes queuing for 5mins+. By effectively merging it with the pub Skirmish queue, queue times drop dramatically. FF sucks in a game that anyone can join and should never have been a thing outside of PC. I would even argue for putting Amarr/Min on US server and Cal/Gal on EU server (or vice versa). This deals with the other big problem a lot of people have with FW, lag. People can still join fights outside their region, and lag will only be the same as it is at present. But for lag averse people there would now be the option of low-lag FW. I'd love to fight for Gal or Min but the fact is that the basic FPS experience is much worse than pubs at present due to queues, FF, and lag. It doesn't have to be like that.
CommanderBolt Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1525	Posted - 2014.09.11 10:43:00 - [16] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Thinking outside the box here, but how about: There is NO pub skirmish. FF removed from FW. Basically FW becomes the skirmish mode. Let's face it, FW does not work in its current state, no one likes queuing for 5mins+. By effectively merging it with the pub Skirmish queue, queue times drop dramatically. FF sucks in a game that anyone can join and should never have been a thing outside of PC. I would even argue for putting Amarr/Min on US server and Cal/Gal on EU server (or vice versa). This deals with the other big problem a lot of people have with FW, lag. People can still join fights outside their region, and lag will only be the same as it is at present. But for lag averse people there would now be the option of low-lag FW. I'd love to fight for Gal or Min but the fact is that the basic FPS experience is much worse than pubs at present due to queues, FF, and lag. It doesn't have to be like that. What's wrong with friendly fire man? It makes you place your shots carefully. It also invariably means some idiot damages teammates too but I kinda like that when I remember FF is on.... I could actually see skirm working as a sole FW event. Maybe the biggest problem though is the whole LP thing. Its not at all like in EVE. There is no grand scope, no real changes come from winning or losing in FW. Hardly any rare / improved factional gear to save up for just some LP points that are restrictive and a line bar that goes up n down every so often on the victory screen. Hardly emergent and meaningful. -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1044	Posted - 2014.09.11 10:45:00 - [17] - Quote Everyone loves ambush? TDM by far the most stupid and pointless game mode ever invented. Followed closely by DM. All it does is makes everyone play for themselves, nobody cares about the team. I can't stand game modes that are 'every man for himself' or players that have the attitude 'every man for himself'... I don't play multiplayer games to play it as single player, I play multiplayer games to play with and against other people. I could understand TDM if it was with and against bots. Because you can't expect any teamwork from bots.
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 41	Posted - 2014.09.11 12:48:00 - [18] - Quote Please no. Last I attempted I was the only person trying to hold a single point so its not an entire defeat in Caldari FW. And at least there I have a choice of spawns. In Ambush the choices are in front of 3 heavies or a Madruger.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2720	Posted - 2014.09.11 15:50:00 - [19] - Quote Until FW pays out ISK skirm needs to stay right where it's at. Its my favorite game mode, and my preferred ISK/SP hunting game mode. Bugger off trying to have it pulled off pubs. Ambushes are stupid and not worth my time or attention.
JudgeIsABadPilot Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2014.09.11 16:03:00 - [20] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Currently it takes way too long to find FW matches. Part of the reason is that skirmish matches take too much time to finish and with that get those players back into the matchmakin que. Another reason aswell is that skirmish is relatively unpopular cause of the redline sessions and twatts sitting in the redline doing nothing else as just sniping or redline railgun tanking. So in all honestly changing the game mode thats played to ambush would make it more interesting cause you could earn LP quicker and the standing grind woul aswell speed up a little bit. And every 1 loves ambush so why not? Lol It's sad that CCP listens to people like you.

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4029	Posted - 2014.09.11 16:12:00 - [21] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: What's wrong with friendly fire man? Griefing. Sure, it is great when it forces you to have to think about your shots and pay attention to your blues, but considering the LP store is a great way for new players to get better gear and how many people like to grief players with the FF on (like the ML guys who wouldn't let a blue hack objectives), FF is turning out to be a pain with how it is implemented. Even if you are TRYING not to hit someone else, sometimes it happens accidentally and then you can be banned for a day and demoted. That happened to me early on, and it just wasn't worth it. I think removal of FF from FW would probably increase the number of people willing to play it. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Michael Arck 5494	Posted - 2014.09.11 16:49:00 - [22] - Quote No People play LP store. If it has new items, people will play. That, and No one really gives a ** about FW Archistrategos Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain**
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1808	Posted - 2014.09.11 17:12:00 - [23] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: What's wrong with friendly fire man? Griefing. Sure, it is great when it forces you to have to think about your shots and pay attention to your blues, but considering the LP store is a great way for new players to get better gear and how many people like to grief players with the FF on (like the ML guys who wouldn't let a blue hack objectives), FF is turning out to be a pain with how it is implemented. Even if you are TRYING not to hit someone else, sometimes it happens accidentally and then you can be banned for a day and demoted. That happened to me early on, and it just wasn't worth it. I think removal of FF from FW would probably increase the number of people willing to play it. What he said. I have enough to think about with the reds shooting at me, don't need blues OHKing me with a shotgun and kill-revive cycling me. Far from being more 'realistic' or 'hardcore' than pubs, it is a fundamentally silly mode that attracts all the trolls on throwaway alts.
dzizur 6 dayz 97	Posted - 2014.09.11 17:43:00 - [24] - Quote wow, amazingly bad idea in my opinion. what's your motivation? taking ambush-grind to a whole new level so you can farm isk AND lp? :S As odd as it may sound, I think that longer queues could be a factor that's keeping most of ADHD trolls, newbs, etc away from FW.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2326	Posted - 2014.09.11 17:46:00 - [25] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I would be less likely to play FW if it were only ambush. Much less likely. So much this, Ambush is garbage for balance due to the idiotic spawn system, honestly ambush was substantially less "WTF" when we had random "fixed" spawns instead of this "smart" crap that allows everyone and their mother to enclose you and spawnrape... AND HOW ABOUT WE TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE THAT ALL OF OUR MAPS ARE DESIGNED FOR SKIRMISH IN MIND AND NOT AMBUSH!? We need separate maps. Specific maps for specific modes.... "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2725	Posted - 2014.09.11 20:40:00 - [26] - Quote Friendly fire allows me to cope with bluedot idiots who run in and block my HMG shots so they can grab my kills for more WP. +50 +50 -50 +50 Working as intended. Don't run in front of the heavy who's holding down the trigger you moron.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13267	Posted - 2014.09.11 20:43:00 - [27] - Quote Looks at title of thread. Remembers its the community sabotaging FW's chances to mean something with stupid ass suggestions........... Shoots self in head. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 966	Posted - 2014.09.11 20:48:00 - [28] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Thinking outside the box here, but how about: There is NO pub skirmish. FF removed from FW. Basically FW becomes the skirmish mode. Let's face it, FW does not work in its current state, no one likes queuing for 5mins+. By effectively merging it with the pub Skirmish queue, queue times drop dramatically. FF sucks in a game that anyone can join and should never have been a thing outside of PC. I would even argue for putting Amarr/Min on US server and Cal/Gal on EU server (or vice versa). This deals with the other big problem a lot of people have with FW, lag. People can still join fights outside their region, and lag will only be the same as it is at present. But for lag averse people there would now be the option of low-lag FW. I'd love to fight for Gal or Min but the fact is that the basic FPS experience is much worse than pubs at present due to queues, FF, and lag. It doesn't have to be like that. Forcing people that want skirmish into "hard mode" where there is no match making, longer q-times, and friendly fire would not be the best idea. As far as server selection and lag goes I think it is OKAY (not good by any means) as it is. In a day that we run 20 FW matches we get lag in 1-2 of them and it is always when fighting certain people. Also contrary to popular beliefs that they are doing it with uplinks I believe it is simply a few of their people manipulating their connection to make the server believe some thing is off and these people could easily be spotted and kicked from battle by studying their packet loss. No, I am not referring to physical lag switches but there is software that can be used to manipulate the data stream at your router. This may seem a bit extreme but with lag getting to be less and less of a problem it is obvious that some tryhards out there are working hard to keep it an issue.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 203	Posted - 2014.11.01 03:58:00 - [29] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: pub scrub says he who was all over the pubs a couple nights ago Legion Coming Soon(TM)
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 525	Posted - 2014.11.01 04:00:00 - [30] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Currently it takes way too long to find FW matches. Part of the reason is that skirmish matches take too much time to finish and with that get those players back into the matchmakin que. Another reason aswell is that skirmish is relatively unpopular cause of the redline sessions and twatts sitting in the redline doing nothing else as just sniping or redline railgun tanking. So in all honestly changing the game mode thats played to ambush would make it more interesting cause you could earn LP quicker and the standing grind woul aswell speed up a little bit. And every 1 loves ambush so why not? Or maybe fix them honestly i can play FW only on US time and im EU, little wierd isnt it "Nanohives, repairs or droplinks, just ask me on field i can tink anything"



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