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Banjo Robertson
Evzones Public.Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:57:00 -
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Short and simple.
Switch logistic suits and commando suits.
Logi would be better off as a heavy suit, gaining an eHP bonus but being a little slower.
Commando would be better as a medium suit, losing some eHP but gaining a speed/scanning bonus.
You could probably even keep the module slot layout and cpu/pg pretty much the same, it may take some fine tuning to get things right, but the size of the dropsuits these use really should be switched around. |
Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
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Posted - 2014.09.08 20:25:00 -
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I'm good with this. I always saw logis as your SUPPORT role in other games, which have high hp. In dust they are weak so this is a +1.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kyoudai Furinkazan
1171
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Posted - 2014.09.08 20:29:00 -
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Banjo Robertson wrote:Short and simple.
Switch logistic suits and commando suits.
Logi would be better off as a heavy suit, gaining an eHP bonus but being a little slower.
Commando would be better as a medium suit, losing some eHP but gaining a speed/scanning bonus.
You could probably even keep the module slot layout and cpu/pg pretty much the same, it may take some fine tuning to get things right, but the size of the dropsuits these use really should be switched around. I would agree if you could keep the equipment slots as idea to the role , meaning the same set up for the role but just switch the conception of the suits .
In fact this would be a great idea .
Just keep the bonuses as well and adjust the cpu / pg to go along with it .
It just might work and solve a lot of problems .
Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
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Shooter Somewhere
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.08 20:30:00 -
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Return logi slayers? no. what would be the point of assaults.
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Banjo Robertson
Evzones Public.Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.09.08 20:32:00 -
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Shooter Somewhere wrote:Return logi slayers? no. what would be the point of assaults.
If any balancing needs to happen to keep logis from becoming slayers after becoming a heavy suit, then that would be fine, take away more of their module slots. |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kyoudai Furinkazan
1171
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Posted - 2014.09.08 20:35:00 -
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Shooter Somewhere wrote:Return logi slayers? no. what would be the point of assaults. They wouldn't have the damage bonuses obviously , is what he is saying but it's giving them longevity on the battlefield instead of having the HP's of scouts .
Actually before the recent changes , scouts could gain more HP's then a logi and that is just wrong compared to the role and purpose .
Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.09.08 20:37:00 -
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I don't see this working out for the Commandos.
Not to mention you will have a slew of Logis that won't be able to use their suits because they will have to skill into heavy suits first now.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4014
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Posted - 2014.09.08 21:06:00 -
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I could go either way on this. Keeping them from being slayer logis is easy, though, the assaults and new medium commandoes would be the ones with the DPS bonus. It was at least as much the fact that the assaults were lackluster before (and the original OP cal logi bonus) that made slayer logi's a thing.
All you really need to do is drop the fitting power of the suit and buff the equipment fitting bonus approporately. That way you can't take all the extra CPU/PG a logi suit has and just use it for brick tanking. Simple.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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Coleman Gray
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
1208
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Posted - 2014.09.08 21:31:00 -
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hmmm...nah
Original Commando, before all you posers just saying
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kyoudai Furinkazan
1172
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Posted - 2014.09.08 21:51:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:I could go either way on this. Keeping them from being slayer logis is easy, though, the assaults and new medium commandoes would be the ones with the DPS bonus. It was at least as much the fact that the assaults were lackluster before (and the original OP cal logi bonus) that made slayer logi's a thing.
All you really need to do is drop the fitting power of the suit and buff the equipment fitting bonus approporately. That way you can't take all the extra CPU/PG a logi suit has and just use it for brick tanking. Simple. Basically .
If your sniping this adds mobility , the same with anti-vehicle as well ... you would have the flexibility of a medium frame but won't be more OP or too powerful then a Assault but you will fit a niche way better .
Hell I hate while being on one of the " water tower " like spires as a heavy and I can't hop on to the middle segment , like letting a heavy hop is OP .
Logistics would have the survivability that's needed and now they will be slow for a reason because their a different frame that fits their speed ... they are slow now unless your using a min with kin's , they don't move fast now but have the HP's of a scout in most instances .
It seems like a win .. win for me and I play both roles and I snipe and anti-vehicle while playing Commando .
I can understand the opposition though .
Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
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Meee One
Hello Kitty Logistics
1103
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Posted - 2014.09.09 02:18:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:I could go either way on this. Keeping them from being slayer logis is easy, though, the assaults and new medium commandoes would be the ones with the DPS bonus. It was at least as much the fact that the assaults were lackluster before (and the original OP cal logi bonus) that made slayer logi's a thing.
All you really need to do is drop the fitting power of the suit and buff the equipment fitting bonus approporately. That way you can't take all the extra CPU/PG a logi suit has and just use it for brick tanking. Simple. Lawl
>heavy suit >shouldn't tank
LOL what world do you live in?
Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
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Meee One
Hello Kitty Logistics
1103
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Posted - 2014.09.09 02:26:00 -
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Banjo Robertson wrote:Short and simple.
Switch logistic suits and commando suits.
Logi would be better off as a heavy suit, gaining an eHP bonus but being a little slower.
Commando would be better as a medium suit, losing some eHP but gaining a speed/scanning bonus.
You could probably even keep the module slot layout and cpu/pg pretty much the same, it may take some fine tuning to get things right, but the size of the dropsuits these use really should be switched around. Wow,no.
Logis getting eHP? Good.
Lolmandos getting 2 light weapons and 8 slots? Who would use the assault?
The one draw assaults have over lolmandos is that they aren't as slow.
And the Devs still haven't fixed the spots where heavies get stuck.
You haven't even considered the future modules that will be introduced to boost equipment efficiency. "Leave modules the same"he says.
Just like pre charlie assaults you have slot envy.
Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4022
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Posted - 2014.09.09 02:29:00 -
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Meee One wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:I could go either way on this. Keeping them from being slayer logis is easy, though, the assaults and new medium commandoes would be the ones with the DPS bonus. It was at least as much the fact that the assaults were lackluster before (and the original OP cal logi bonus) that made slayer logi's a thing.
All you really need to do is drop the fitting power of the suit and buff the equipment fitting bonus approporately. That way you can't take all the extra CPU/PG a logi suit has and just use it for brick tanking. Simple. Lawl >heavy suit >shouldn't tank LOL what world do you live in?
SMH.
I... I just don't know what to say to you anymore. I know you care about being a logi, and are passionate about it, which is nice, but... It's unfortunate that any and all nuance is completely lost on you. You've got to think past step one here.
The issue we want to avoid is logi's using ALL their fitting power for brick tanking, proto weapons, damage mods, whatever, anything besides equipment. That was the fundamental problem with giving the logi suits massive unrestricted fitting power in early Uprising. They made assault suits obsolete because you could do more with them. Why use an assault suit when you got 20% more PG or CPU with a logi suit? The cal logi had more high slots than the assault and enough fitting power to put whatever you wanted there. They were running around with more shields than the current Calmando's had, and were much faster. The cal assault was like a gimped starter fit in comparison.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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Meee One
Hello Kitty Logistics
1104
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Posted - 2014.09.09 03:23:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Meee One wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:I could go either way on this. Keeping them from being slayer logis is easy, though, the assaults and new medium commandoes would be the ones with the DPS bonus. It was at least as much the fact that the assaults were lackluster before (and the original OP cal logi bonus) that made slayer logi's a thing.
All you really need to do is drop the fitting power of the suit and buff the equipment fitting bonus approporately. That way you can't take all the extra CPU/PG a logi suit has and just use it for brick tanking. Simple. Lawl >heavy suit >shouldn't tank LOL what world do you live in? SMH. I... I just don't know what to say to you anymore. I know you care about being a logi, and are passionate about it, which is nice, but... It's unfortunate that any and all nuance is completely lost on you. You've got to think past step one here.The issue we want to avoid is logi's using ALL their fitting power for brick tanking, proto weapons, damage mods, whatever, anything besides equipment. That was the fundamental problem with giving the logi suits massive unrestricted fitting power in early Uprising. They made assault suits obsolete because you could do more with them. Why use an assault suit when you got 20% more PG or CPU with a logi suit? The cal logi had more high slots than the assault and enough fitting power to put whatever you wanted there. They were running around with more shields than the current Calmando's had, and were much faster. The cal assault was like a gimped starter fit in comparison. It's awfully convenient how everyone says "way back when,logistics used to be OP".
Well,let me make a few equally stupid comparisons. ARs used to shoot as far as RRs. Snipers used to 1 shot HAVs. Logistics used to have a vehicle counterpart.
See the similarities? "used to"
With all the new changes every other suit,including scouts,can eclipse logistics survival. Yet the only solution is "to make it harder for them to survive"?
I can only speak for myself when i say this: I set my suit up trying to take advantage of its limited abilities. Min logistics,although is slow is still faster than the others. This is what i build my suit around.
I can't use eWAR because my native stats make it too much of a risk. I can either: -live longer with an extender -or- -die faster with better sight
Another scenario,using biotics: -I can run fast similar to a more heavily tanked assault,getting slaughtered because i still can't outrun anything -I can run far similar to a more heavily tanked assault,getting slaughtered because i still can't outrun anything -or- -I can survive longer with a regulator or plate.
It isn't a hard choice.And there isn't a third option.
My rep tool places me firmly on the front lines and right infront of my enemies. I can't outrun anything,i can't rep my shields fast enough to make eWAR worth it.
Logistics has been steadfastly stuck in a hole. Having 0 natural survival stats built in,they must use every slot to compensate.
TL;DR i can't rep when i'm dead!!!
Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
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Banjo Robertson
Evzones Public.Disorder.
265
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Posted - 2014.09.09 04:53:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Banjo Robertson wrote:Short and simple.
Switch logistic suits and commando suits.
Logi would be better off as a heavy suit, gaining an eHP bonus but being a little slower.
Commando would be better as a medium suit, losing some eHP but gaining a speed/scanning bonus.
You could probably even keep the module slot layout and cpu/pg pretty much the same, it may take some fine tuning to get things right, but the size of the dropsuits these use really should be switched around. Wow,no. Logis getting eHP? Good. Lolmandos getting 2 light weapons and 8 slots? Who would use the assault?
Maybe you misunderstood, Logi suits would have the same high # of module slots as a heavy suit as they do now as a medium suit, and commando suits would have the same low # of module slots as a medium suit as they do now as a heavy suit.
Basically just take the Logi, keep everything the same except, its bumped up to a heavy suit status for movement speed and extra eHP, still only one light weapon slot. Logis get the same (or balanced slightly lower) module choices to make except they have more hp buffer.
Take commando suit, keep everything the same except, bump it down to a medium suit for ehp and bump up the movement speed, still has two light weapons. Commandows would now be more on par with assault suits, but they would have less module slots than assault suits, maybe less stamina too, slightly slower movement speed that is still faster than what they had as commando.
What I dont want to happen is Commando's getting moved to medium and then getting the module slot layout that logist have now, and what I dont want to happen is logis getting moved to heavy and getting the slot layout commandos have now. |
Meee One
Hello Kitty Logistics
1104
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Posted - 2014.09.09 06:15:00 -
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Banjo Robertson wrote:Meee One wrote:Banjo Robertson wrote:Short and simple.
Switch logistic suits and commando suits.
Logi would be better off as a heavy suit, gaining an eHP bonus but being a little slower.
Commando would be better as a medium suit, losing some eHP but gaining a speed/scanning bonus.
You could probably even keep the module slot layout and cpu/pg pretty much the same, it may take some fine tuning to get things right, but the size of the dropsuits these use really should be switched around. Wow,no. Logis getting eHP? Good. Lolmandos getting 2 light weapons and 8 slots? Who would use the assault? Maybe you misunderstood, Logi suits would have the same high # of module slots as a heavy suit as they do now as a medium suit, and commando suits would have the same low # of module slots as a medium suit as they do now as a heavy suit. Basically just take the Logi, keep everything the same except, its bumped up to a heavy suit status for movement speed and extra eHP, still only one light weapon slot. Logis get the same (or balanced slightly lower) module choices to make except they have more hp buffer. Take commando suit, keep everything the same except, bump it down to a medium suit for ehp and bump up the movement speed, still has two light weapons. Commandows would now be more on par with assault suits, but they would have less module slots than assault suits, maybe less stamina too, slightly slower movement speed that is still faster than what they had as commando. What I dont want to happen is Commando's getting moved to medium and then getting the module slot layout that logist have now, and what I dont want to happen is logis getting moved to heavy and getting the slot layout commandos have now. Thanks for the clarification.
But don't think you know what you're asking for...
Imagine being 1 basic ferros from a scout in eHP,with 2 weapons,1 equipment,slow with commandos current slots. To keep assaults valid they have left logistics in a similar state,so they would have 0 problems doing it to commandos too.
Even though commandos obviously need a buff CCP has relegated it to 'necessity',which means if they do it'll be a LONG time from now,if ever.
Heck,CCP doesn't even have commandos planned to be in Dust 514 2.0,aka legion,they are giving assaults the 2 light weapons.
So it looks like commandos are finished,which is sad. I like you tomato people.
Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2682
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Posted - 2014.09.09 08:07:00 -
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Simply swapping slots and fitting capacity between logis and commandos would be a hilariously bad idea. If you did this you would have to keep the current high/low layout the commmandos have as logis. I say this because 900 EHP amarr commando. With only an armor rep and militia plate.
Putting 8 slots on top of the commando base armor is not what strikes me as a happy thought.
Further putting four slots on a medium frame? No grenade? Fitting capacity to add options that mske victoria's secret look like a burqa?
While conceptually nifty this idea needs a lot more thought before it is viable.
Its a recipie for making logis OP and commandos worth abot as much as a football bat. |
Banjo Robertson
Evzones Public.Disorder.
265
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Posted - 2014.09.09 12:52:00 -
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You are right in that it would take some balancing out, I just believe that Logi would be better suited on a heavy frame, and commando would be better suited on a medium frame, then change the modules to balance accordingly. |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
4162
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Posted - 2014.09.09 14:49:00 -
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Banjo Robertson wrote:Short and simple.
Switch logistic suits and commando suits.
Logi would be better off as a heavy suit, gaining an eHP bonus but being a little slower.
Commando would be better as a medium suit, losing some eHP but gaining a speed/scanning bonus.
You could probably even keep the module slot layout and cpu/pg pretty much the same, it may take some fine tuning to get things right, but the size of the dropsuits these use really should be switched around. That actually makes some sense. Logi work better being slower and tougher.
And the word GÇ£CommandoGÇ¥ always made me think of an Assault suit with two light weapons. I never got why the Commando was based on the Heavy frame.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Banjo Robertson
Evzones Public.Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.09.12 11:37:00 -
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Buump, ccp rattati what do you think? |
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