Either that or a hard-cap on the number of separate equipment a single player can place. So say it's 7 or 8. That's proto hives, links, and any other proto or ADV you can carry. That should be enough for any single logi to carry on a suit.

I'd like to see this done with an "equipment bandwidth" stat. Some suits would have a low stat, others a higher one. So if you swap into a low bandwidth suit the oldest ones you dropped would pop up to your cap. E.g. Logis get 6-8 as you suggest, scouts might get 2-4 assault/commandos 1-3 (based on the suit quality).

As far as the OP is concerned, nerfing uplinks to the degree you mention is a recipe for frustration, and painfully long runs from the MCC. I already hear tons of complaints from new players on YouTube that hate how long it takes to spawn. It's not so bad if you're running PRO, have a squad with a needle and reps, but if you're in militia gear getting stomped over and over, this proposal is going to be much more painful. Also your proposal incentivized players running PRO logis spamming links and then hiding in the redline for the rest of the match. At least with bandwidth they can spam a few links and switch to a more useful suit. This would greatly reduce spam.

(Note: I am not in front of the needed information, and more importantly, am too lazy to make precise calculations. Use the current numbers as reference.)

Step 1: Nerf uplinks hard. Like back into the stone age, even the flaylock will feel sorry for you hard.

- 30 sec spawns at STD, 15 PRO, 10 sec with the Amarr LP store one.
- Spawn count 3 at STD, 4 ADV, 10 PRO quantum.
That kind of thing, maybe worse (both of the above with slight adjustments for the flux/quantum variants).


Step 2: Massively buff the logi suits.

- Amarr logi gets the same GÇ£with-bonusGÇ¥ performance as now at proto. Again, without going through the math, letGÇÖs aim for Amarr logi level 1 or 2 gets current GÇ£no-bonusGÇ¥ performance, and level 5 gets pretty much what you get at level 5 now, slightly worse would be OK but not my preference.
Obviously, that may not scale properly, so this progression is not set in stone. This would also make it mandatory that the uplink bonus be fixed so that if you die and are re-spawning the bonus still applies. Naturally if you are re-spawning in a non-logi suit, the bonus dies when you do so.

- The rest of the racial logis get major bonuses to uplinks as well. Again, speaking in broad terms, aim for current uplink performance at level 3 or 4, and slightly better than current non-Amarr performance at proto, so they get a little buff to uplinks compared to now. In light of the ongoing discussions about logi bonuses, you could tweak it so that, for example, Caldari get faster spawns but Minmatar get more spawns, or whatever. They should still all get nearly equal to current non-Amarr overall performance eventually though, this would just be an additional perk at higher levels.

-Finally, scouts. Yes, an argument can be made that uplinks are indeed scouty as well. But, letGÇÖs be honest, we donGÇÖt need scouts still doing everything just as well as the other suits. So, I would propose that at level 5, the Amarr scout would get about 75% or so of current GÇ£no-Amarr logi-bonusGÇ¥ uplink performance, and the other scouts get half that.


In summary, what this leaves us with is:

1) Amarr logi stays more or less the same.

2) The other logis can still use reasonably useful uplinks at lower levels, and good ones once they skill up to level 5.
3) Scouts, at higher levels, can still also have functional uplinks.

4) Uplinks will be scheit on other suits. Like cloaks on non-scouts, you can do it, but itGÇÖs not going to work very well. This will reduce spam as nobody is going to bother using a 30 second spawn. This de-incentivizes people who wonGÇÖt be using support minded suits for the majority of the battle: There will be significantly less reward to the start-of-battle uplink spamfest followed by mass exodus to the supply depot.

5) CRUs will have greater tactical value.

6) mCRUGÇÖs will hopefully also make a resurgence and get DS pilots more transport WP. Not sure about spawn WP in this scenario, normally I am in favor of it, but in this case you might want to just buff transport WP instead to include people who spawn and drop without being transported a certain distance.

You could also apply this to nanohives but it's a little tricky because nanohives are legitimate additions to any suit and so you couldn't be so harsh.


I encourage healthy, logical, and non-ragey discussion. I'll likely ignore most trollposting.
AndGǪ Go!

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Yes. Yes I do. Hear me out. My premise is that non-logis (or those smug Minmatar logis with their fancy 4 equipment slots and super rep-tools. Hate those guys) are always going to complain about equipment spam and nothing is going to stop them from blaming logis, even though we all know itGÇÖs the logi tourists who put uplinks on scout suits or spawn in with a STD Min logi suit, crap out 12 uplinks and then switch to their burst HMG Sentinel or bricked Gal scout for the rest of the battle who are to blame.

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Message from my Logi ALT: Thank you John Demonsbane your anger sustains me. In defense of "crapping out" uplinks, a high carb and low fruit diet is causing some stoppage so when things get going it's messy.

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TL;DR: If we are going to nerf equipment, letGÇÖs do it without simultaneously nerfing logis. Proposal in next post.

spam any kind of equipment - cancer.
equipment must not last longer than a suit from which it was launched.

(and WTF does everyone act like I'm not a veteran logi and haven't made a career of flinging uplinks out all over the place for well over a year myself? Weird)

Who are you?

I'm a 21 year old female, currently paying my way through college as a "dancer", and looking for new friends to chat or hang out with.

My first concern is that these changes might oversimplify PC.

Get your Heavies on the points first.
Clear hostile Uplinks. Lay yours.

For the rest of the match, the enemy will be hard pressed to make meaningful push. His quality Uplinks are scanned and popped as fast as his AM Logi(s) can toss 'em. Fewer quality Uplinks in fewer places means lower quality pushes. Attack waves will be easily predicted and beaten back before they can build momentum. Defender maintains potentially overwhelming advantage over attacker. In my personal opinion, Point Defenders (i.e. Heavy Blobs) have enough working in their favor at the moment.

John,

What's your thought on increasing the bandwidth of the uplinks over the current values in Rattati's proposal. Seems like that maybe an other way to approach this.

Currently the highest BW usage belongs to triage hives...seems like a spawn link (basically a wormhole beacon) would have at least that level of BW.

Overall - big fan of looking at more complete bonuses that work across the racial logi lines. Using that method and providing racial incentives based on equipment performance bonuses strikes me as a pretty solid approach given where Logi suits are now.