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Kin Cat Another Clone in the Wall 63	Posted - 2014.09.08 02:35:00 - [1] - Quote I'm sorry but this is practically the only thing being used in PC anymore. Every other suit is standing in the shadow of the scout. It's not just shotguns like u want to nerf Rattati. It's the cloak, it's the fact that every single stat a scout has besides HP is stronger than every suit in the game. Either Assaults need to get some EWAR or there will never be a counter to scout spam. They are harder, better, faster, stronger.
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 359	Posted - 2014.09.08 02:37:00 - [2] - Quote Kin Cat wrote: I'm sorry but this is practically the only thing being used in PC anymore. Every other suit is standing in the shadow of the scout. It's not just shotguns like u want to nerf Rattati. It's the cloak, it's the fact that every single stat a scout has besides HP is stronger than every suit in the game. Either Assaults need to get some EWAR or there will never be a counter to scout spam. They are harder, better, faster, stronger. You mean PC is about Heavies? those are the slayers in PC my man. Pubs are about scouts.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 891	Posted - 2014.09.08 02:44:00 - [3] - Quote Kin Cat wrote: Every other suit is standing in the shadow of the scout. 10/10 Please support fair play!
Foundation Seldon Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 735	Posted - 2014.09.08 02:53:00 - [4] - Quote I run a (level 5) Cal Scout with 2 Complex Range Amps and 2 Complex Precision Enhancers with some filler modules in between. It genuinely feels like cheating. The radar dominance as a whole represents too much of an advantage for the individual and for the squad. And there's absolutely nothing non-Scout suits can do to combat it. I'm genuinely against sort of knee jerk balance propositions but I don't believe there's any way to balance the current iteration of the scout with its extreme power in eWar with their ability to also carry light weapons. They should pay in power to have the scan dominance that they currently enjoy.
Kin Cat Another Clone in the Wall 65	Posted - 2014.09.08 02:58:00 - [5] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: You mean PC is about Heavies? those are the slayers in PC my man. Pubs are about scouts. no we just went up against a full team of scouts in PC and its overwhelming when there are so many. you cant even aim at them because they are strafing in circles around you and cloaked so u cant see until theyre in your face or behind u i think it was because i used the burst. people dont realize the burst may be good now but its still **** against scouts Where do you fit in if your not a heavy or scout? Is Assault even viable yet? what if you don't run CR or ScR? are you worth a ** in this game?
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 360	Posted - 2014.09.08 03:12:00 - [6] - Quote Kin Cat wrote: Jack 3enimble wrote: You mean PC is about Heavies? those are the slayers in PC my man. Pubs are about scouts. no we just went up against a full team of scouts in PC and its overwhelming when there are so many. you cant even aim at them because they are strafing in circles around you and cloaked so u cant see until theyre in your face or behind u i think it was because i used the burst. people dont realize the burst may be good now but its still **** against scouts Where do you fit in if your not a heavy or scout? Is Assault even viable yet? what if you don't run CR or ScR? are you worth a in this game? LOL you're funny. Read my post dumbass. Always complaining when it is your gun game that's broken. All the top corps in PC run heavy and logi combo's in the city (this is where scouts are supposed to dominate right). Most squads have one scout, the rest is heavy logi. CR and ScR are being looked at, so I don't know why you're crying about this. As for me being worth a ** in this game, how is it that I can describe PC scenarios to you?
Meee One Hello Kitty Logistics 1097	Posted - 2014.09.08 04:37:00 - [7] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: Kin Cat wrote: Jack 3enimble wrote: You mean PC is about Heavies? those are the slayers in PC my man. Pubs are about scouts. no we just went up against a full team of scouts in PC and its overwhelming when there are so many. you cant even aim at them because they are strafing in circles around you and cloaked so u cant see until theyre in your face or behind u i think it was because i used the burst. people dont realize the burst may be good now but its still **** against scouts Where do you fit in if your not a heavy or scout? Is Assault even viable yet? what if you don't run CR or ScR? are you worth a in this game? LOL you're funny. Read my post dumbass. Always complaining when it is your gun game that's broken. All the top corps in PC run heavy and logi combo's in the city or right on the objectives (this is where scouts are supposed to dominate right). Most squads have one scout, the rest is heavy logi. CR and ScR are being looked at, so I don't know why you're crying about this. As for me being worth a ** in this game, how is it that I can describe PC scenarios to you? I must agree. But i bet if player counts were increased you'd see more variety. 16 only allows the bare minimum,so you have to be efficient. Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
Meee One Hello Kitty Logistics 1098	Posted - 2014.09.08 04:51:00 - [8] - Quote Kin Cat wrote: I'm sorry but this is practically the only thing being used in PC anymore. Every other suit is standing in the shadow of the scout. It's not just shotguns like u want to nerf Rattati. It's the cloak, it's the fact that every single stat a scout has besides HP is stronger than every suit in the game. Either Assaults need to get some EWAR or there will never be a counter to scout spam. They are harder, better, faster, stronger. Or give logistics a buff in eWAR so they can work as a team. Min assault specifically says it doesn't have the "haptic bindings of the logistics". This means:sure you have high base stats but you're effectively blind. It's Cal assault that says "has more sensors than a civilian vehicle". Then again... Min logistics says "scanners so sensative it can spot microfractures in layered steel". Which implies it should be fantastic at eWAR,but...it isn't. Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 922	Posted - 2014.09.08 07:21:00 - [9] - Quote Kin Cat wrote: I'm sorry but this is practically the only thing being used in PC anymore. Every other suit is standing in the shadow of the scout. It's not just shotguns like u want to nerf Rattati. It's the cloak, it's the fact that every single stat a scout has besides HP is stronger than every suit in the game. Either Assaults need to get some EWAR or there will never be a counter to scout spam. They are harder, better, faster, stronger. Its okay scouts can outshine heavies in CQC and logis in team support. Honestly I am starting to feel like they should be limited to 2 sidearm slots and only have 1 equipment slot.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 4071	Posted - 2014.09.08 09:07:00 - [10] - Quote Use Gal. logis with active scanners. That usually solves the issue cause then all scouts need to make drastic sacrifices to dodge the scans. Gal+Cal scouts need 2 complex damps+a cloak to avoid the best scanner on a gal logi or 3 dampeners (cal only has 2) and then they are invisible without the cloak. Amarr+Minmatarr need 3 damps+cloak to avoid high precision scans. The amarr can use 4 dampeners to neglegt the cloak usage. A scanned scout is usually a dead scout and if you are not using the tools that are avaible in the game then its your own fault. If scouts in pub matches start to annoy me and im in a squad i just get my gal. logi out and spam active scans. And trust me once they realise that they are scanned they will run for their life or pay with it. This is how a proper scout counter looks like: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/7560 You can pop a scan every 10 secs with a range of 100m. And if you dont use the damp fittings with a proto cloak you will get scanned. That lowers the combat effectvity of scouts by alot. They say when you die you see a white light which then forms the line of: "GAME OVER! PLEASE INSERT COIN"

BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3029	Posted - 2014.09.08 10:00:00 - [11] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Use Gal. logis with active scanners. That usually solves the issue cause then all scouts need to make drastic sacrifices to dodge the scans. Gal+Cal scouts need 2 complex damps+a cloak to avoid the best scanner on a gal logi or 3 dampeners (cal only has 2) and then they are invisible without the cloak. Amarr+Minmatarr need 3 damps+cloak to avoid high precision scans. The amarr can use 4 dampeners to neglegt the cloak usage. A scanned scout is usually a dead scout and if you are not using the tools that are avaible in the game then its your own fault. If scouts in pub matches start to annoy me and im in a squad i just get my gal. logi out and spam active scans. And trust me once they realise that they are scanned they will run for their life or pay with it. This is how a proper scout counter looks like: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/7560 You can pop a scan every 10 secs with a range of 100m. And if you dont use the damp fittings with a proto cloak you will get scanned. That lowers the combat effectvity of scouts by alot. What I don't like about that counter is that it is much less rewarding than using a scout suit and because you are in a medium frame they an easily detect you. Also they get a 360 perma scanner we get a 60 scanner than is only useful for 10 seconds out of 30. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2652	Posted - 2014.09.08 10:12:00 - [12] - Quote Scouts can actually beat a max skill galogi with proto scanner. If they can its 100% undetectable
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 804	Posted - 2014.09.08 11:02:00 - [13] - Quote Kin Cat wrote: I'm sorry but this is practically the only thing being used in PC anymore. Every other suit is standing in the shadow of the scout. It's not just shotguns like u want to nerf Rattati. It's the cloak, it's the fact that every single stat a scout has besides HP is stronger than every suit in the game. Either Assaults need to get some EWAR or there will never be a counter to scout spam. They are harder, better, faster, stronger. change scouts so they can only use DUAL SIDEARM. problem half fixed. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah What ever happened to buffing Logi eHP in Delta?!
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3031	Posted - 2014.09.08 11:43:00 - [14] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Kin Cat wrote: I'm sorry but this is practically the only thing being used in PC anymore. Every other suit is standing in the shadow of the scout. It's not just shotguns like u want to nerf Rattati. It's the cloak, it's the fact that every single stat a scout has besides HP is stronger than every suit in the game. Either Assaults need to get some EWAR or there will never be a counter to scout spam. They are harder, better, faster, stronger. change scouts so they can only use DUAL SIDEARM. problem half fixed. A little bit to big of a nerf unless you give them a built in side arm damage bonus. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 196	Posted - 2014.09.08 16:26:00 - [15] - Quote Yes scouts are WAY OP IN PUBS. I run min assault and im constantly trying to flank but a scout does it better, faster than me. Im constantly being shotgunned in the back. My motto for moving is that if you are not currently being shotgunned in the back, TURN AROUND BECAUSE THEY ARE ABOUT TO RIGHT NOW! Seriously, ewar needs to be better like the range and detection up close. Perhaps a loud de-cloaking sound. Also my biggest thing is that they move so fast no its hard to hit them already but they can get a massive amount of ehp. This contradicts the light and fast but fragile concept scouts should be. 8-Time New Eden Mass Driver Champion Min Commando Combat Rifle and Mass Driver = FUN and Tears OMG the Tears!! :)
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3914	Posted - 2014.09.08 19:32:00 - [16] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Scouts can actually beat a max skill galogi with proto scanner. If they can its 100% undetectable You know that was by design right? And not without significant sacrifice. Much more than the Gal Logi would need to sacrifice in carrying a focused scanner. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2668	Posted - 2014.09.08 19:34:00 - [17] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Scouts can actually beat a max skill galogi with proto scanner. If they can its 100% undetectable You know that was by design right? And not without significant sacrifice. Much more than the Gal Logi would need to sacrifice in carrying a focused scanner. Allow me to say: Bad design. Lazy design. Crap mechanic.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3914	Posted - 2014.09.08 19:37:00 - [18] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Scouts can actually beat a max skill galogi with proto scanner. If they can its 100% undetectable You know that was by design right? And not without significant sacrifice. Much more than the Gal Logi would need to sacrifice in carrying a focused scanner. Allow me to say: Bad design. Lazy design. Crap mechanic. Being scanned is more OP than hiding from a scan. Shared scans + not being able to hide from scans are why there were practically no Amarr or Minja scouts before Charlie. Since taking away shared scanning is not something that can be done at the moment, this was the best they could do given constraints. There were massive feedback threads in which you could have given your two cents. Stop your crying. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Death Shadow117 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 405	Posted - 2014.09.08 19:45:00 - [19] - Quote OMFG KK do you have a small ** or something. Or even worse i think you are just some alt that some **** vet uses so he dosent ruin he/she's rep. Or even worse your main has been banned for ever and you just want to qq on the forums. Why?
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1295	Posted - 2014.09.08 20:50:00 - [20] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Kin Cat wrote: I'm sorry but this is practically the only thing being used in PC anymore. Every other suit is standing in the shadow of the scout. It's not just shotguns like u want to nerf Rattati. It's the cloak, it's the fact that every single stat a scout has besides HP is stronger than every suit in the game. Either Assaults need to get some EWAR or there will never be a counter to scout spam. They are harder, better, faster, stronger. change scouts so they can only use DUAL SIDEARM. problem half fixed. Biased positions do not fix problems. Just because you dislike something doesn't mean it needs to be nerfed so bad it might as well be removed from the game. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.

Death Shadow117 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 407	Posted - 2014.09.08 21:06:00 - [21] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Kin Cat wrote: I'm sorry but this is practically the only thing being used in PC anymore. Every other suit is standing in the shadow of the scout. It's not just shotguns like u want to nerf Rattati. It's the cloak, it's the fact that every single stat a scout has besides HP is stronger than every suit in the game. Either Assaults need to get some EWAR or there will never be a counter to scout spam. They are harder, better, faster, stronger. change scouts so they can only use DUAL SIDEARM. problem half fixed. i wouldnt mind it if i can actually use both at the same time (dual weild) but that wont happen. Remove marijuana from blocked words list.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2086	Posted - 2014.09.08 21:07:00 - [22] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Kin Cat wrote: I'm sorry but this is practically the only thing being used in PC anymore. Every other suit is standing in the shadow of the scout. It's not just shotguns like u want to nerf Rattati. It's the cloak, it's the fact that every single stat a scout has besides HP is stronger than every suit in the game. Either Assaults need to get some EWAR or there will never be a counter to scout spam. They are harder, better, faster, stronger. change scouts so they can only use DUAL SIDEARM. problem half fixed. Biased positions do not fix problems. Just because you dislike something doesn't mean it needs to be nerfed so bad it might as well be removed from the game. ^^This is a biased position as well. Dual SMG Scout is murderous (especially with cloak and flux). Two sidearm slots will not make scouts "so bad it might as well be removed from the game", it will simply make you rethink how you handle your scout. "Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth Logi for Hire
Death Shadow117 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 407	Posted - 2014.09.08 21:17:00 - [23] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Kin Cat wrote: I'm sorry but this is practically the only thing being used in PC anymore. Every other suit is standing in the shadow of the scout. It's not just shotguns like u want to nerf Rattati. It's the cloak, it's the fact that every single stat a scout has besides HP is stronger than every suit in the game. Either Assaults need to get some EWAR or there will never be a counter to scout spam. They are harder, better, faster, stronger. change scouts so they can only use DUAL SIDEARM. problem half fixed. Biased positions do not fix problems. Just because you dislike something doesn't mean it needs to be nerfed so bad it might as well be removed from the game. ^^This is a biased position as well. Dual SMG Scout is murderous (especially with cloak and flux). Two sidearm slots will not make scouts "so bad it might as well be removed from the game", it will simply make you rethink how you handle your scout. so then who will use shotguns? Remove marijuana from blocked words list.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2086	Posted - 2014.09.08 21:24:00 - [24] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Kin Cat wrote: I'm sorry but this is practically the only thing being used in PC anymore. Every other suit is standing in the shadow of the scout. It's not just shotguns like u want to nerf Rattati. It's the cloak, it's the fact that every single stat a scout has besides HP is stronger than every suit in the game. Either Assaults need to get some EWAR or there will never be a counter to scout spam. They are harder, better, faster, stronger. change scouts so they can only use DUAL SIDEARM. problem half fixed. Biased positions do not fix problems. Just because you dislike something doesn't mean it needs to be nerfed so bad it might as well be removed from the game. ^^This is a biased position as well. Dual SMG Scout is murderous (especially with cloak and flux). Two sidearm slots will not make scouts "so bad it might as well be removed from the game", it will simply make you rethink how you handle your scout. so then who will use shotguns? IDK, ask the random Minmatar Medium Frame that I saw running around with one today. IDK if he was Assault, Logi or Medium Frame but he was a Minmatar Medium Dropsuit running around with a shotgun, TBH, I think he was trying to TK people in a pub "Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth Logi for Hire
Mejt0 The Only Survivor. 454	Posted - 2014.09.08 22:15:00 - [25] - Quote Someones (OP) dont know what PC is. Ill tell you how it is. PC are all about sentiniels+logi combo. There can be 2, maybe 3 scouts. And thats all. Scouts are good in pubs. Cus you guys run alone. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Spectre-M The Generals 852	Posted - 2014.09.08 22:21:00 - [26] - Quote I'm gonna say this...again. SWAP THE REGEN ON ASSAULTS AND SCOUTS!!!! If the assault could bounce back like the the scouts can now you'll see them of more often...assaulting. This will put both roles where they should be. Minnmitar in Amarr armor. A Wolf in Sheeps clothing. May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
Kin Cat Another Clone in the Wall 72	Posted - 2014.09.09 01:28:00 - [27] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: This is how a proper scout counter looks like: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/7560 I never thought of doing it that way. I'd throw a quantum on there instead of the fourth focused. Oh and the scout QQ is strong in this thread.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2280	Posted - 2014.09.09 02:29:00 - [28] - Quote NO. Unless we get the slot numbers of an Assault, this is a terrible idea. EWAR is powerful, very powerful (mainly because players are taught to shoot at red chevrons instead of players), but slots and HP can actually impact the effectiveness of your gun-game. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Kin Cat Another Clone in the Wall 72	Posted - 2014.09.09 02:34:00 - [29] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: NO. Unless we get the slot numbers of an Assault, this is a terrible idea. EWAR is powerful, very powerful (mainly because players are taught to shoot at red chevrons instead of players), but slots and HP can actually impact the effectiveness of your gun-game. bullshit. assault ewar stats are only a few points away from being as bad as a heavy
Meee One Hello Kitty Logistics 1104	Posted - 2014.09.09 02:41:00 - [30] - Quote Spectre-M wrote: I'm gonna say this...again. SWAP THE REGEN ON ASSAULTS AND SCOUTS!!!! If the assault could bounce back like the the scouts can now you'll see them of more often...assaulting. This will put both roles where they should be. Low eHP means better regen. Assaults have high eHP,their regen should suck. Logistics is the one with low eHP that deserves a regen boost. Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.



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