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Izlare Lenix
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:23:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Please help me. I can't take it. Too many noobs. Scouts are suppose to not be scanned unless you make your fit spesifically to scan them, but even then... that's the whole reason they got less profile, to not be scanned by the likes of you. Scouts are not supposed to be scanned??? I'll give you that, but then you must acknowledge the following... 1. Scouts should not be the second best CQC suits/frames. Once a scout is strafing, he is instantly the favorite against all other suits (except maybe a heavy) in CQC. 2. Scouts should not be better at assaulting then assault suits/frames. 3. Scouts should not be able to "One hit kill" medium suits (Except with Nova knives) given that due to their Ewar/cloak advantage, it's easy for them to get the first shot in. You might be tired of the QQ on the forums, but if you ran a medium suit most of the time, you would be crying for change too.
Did you even play Dust when logi slayers were king and scouts sucked?
Back then 360 scans provided logi slayers all the ewar benefits scouts currently have, except they had more range and DIDN'T have to sacrafice fitting slots to make scanners effective.
Not to mention logi slayers had three times the HP a proper scout today has. And lets not forget this was back when TTK was shorter, damage mods were 10% bonus each and the RR was extremely OP.
During this dark period in Dust a tripple damage modded, armor stacked 900hp gal logi with RR, armor hives and 100m 360 scans was hands down the most over powered ***** fit dust has ever seen.
Today's scouts don't even come close to the scanning ability, hp or damage projection logi slayers used to have and today's Dust is nowhere near as unbalanced as it once was when logi slayers were everywhere.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:28:00 -
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"People are stupid." is actually my mantra. It explains all of the mysteries of why people do things.
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.09.09 00:11:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:
When was the last time anyone saw a merc using an active scanner?
I've only read about them in books.
You haven't been here long, have you? Scannerinas, Scannerinas everywhere. Traipsing about, scanning EVERYTHING within a 150m radius. Everything. This went on for almost a full year. Imagine if everyone had the scanning capabilities that the Calscout had. Scanners were a pain, but passive scans are much worst due to the following reasons. 1. Active scanners have a limited duration whereas passive scans do not. 2. When a logi is using a scanner, he is not able to use his weapon. 3. You get warned when you are scanned by an active scanner whereas you are not warned by passive scans So complain all you want about the "You have been scanned" days, but the current meta has only improved this for scouts. It's actually worst for all other frames right now then it was back then.
Scanners had their perks. Like they could see behind them after they scanned, all you needed was a squad to protect you, and then soon after you could be the one firing. The warn thing is just stupid. If we should be warned, then the screen should go static like or something to acknowledge that someone is scanning/detecting you.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2275
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Posted - 2014.09.09 01:44:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:
When was the last time anyone saw a merc using an active scanner?
I've only read about them in books.
You haven't been here long, have you? Scannerinas, Scannerinas everywhere. Traipsing about, scanning EVERYTHING within a 150m radius. Everything. This went on for almost a full year. Imagine if everyone had the scanning capabilities that the Calscout had.
It was worse too....
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2276
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Posted - 2014.09.09 02:00:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Duke Noobiam wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Please help me. I can't take it. Too many noobs. Scouts are suppose to not be scanned unless you make your fit spesifically to scan them, but even then... that's the whole reason they got less profile, to not be scanned by the likes of you. Scouts are not supposed to be scanned??? I'll give you that, but then you must acknowledge the following... 1. Scouts should not be the second best CQC suits/frames. Once a scout is strafing, he is instantly the favorite against all other suits (except maybe a heavy) in CQC. 2. Scouts should not be better at assaulting then assault suits/frames. 3. Scouts should not be able to "One hit kill" medium suits (Except with Nova knives) given that due to their Ewar/cloak advantage, it's easy for them to get the first shot in. You might be tired of the QQ on the forums, but if you ran a medium suit most of the time, you would be crying for change too. Did you even play Dust when logi slayers were king and scouts sucked? Back then 360 scans provided logi slayers all the ewar benefits scouts currently have, except they had more range and DIDN'T have to sacrafice fitting slots to make scanners effective. Not to mention logi slayers had three times the HP a proper scout today has. And lets not forget this was back when TTK was shorter, damage mods were 10% bonus each and the RR was extremely OP. During this dark period in Dust a tripple damage modded, armor stacked 900hp gal logi with RR, armor hives and 100m 360 scans was hands down the most over powered ***** fit dust has ever seen. Today's scouts don't even come close to the scanning ability, hp or damage projection logi slayers used to have and today's Dust is nowhere near as unbalanced as it once was when logi slayers were everywhere.
Not to mention they moved even faster then cause lolOParmorplates....if anyone actually played a scout back then, they'd understand people defending them 
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Duke Noobiam
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
144
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Posted - 2014.09.09 14:08:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:Duke Noobiam wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Please help me. I can't take it. Too many noobs. Scouts are suppose to not be scanned unless you make your fit spesifically to scan them, but even then... that's the whole reason they got less profile, to not be scanned by the likes of you. Scouts are not supposed to be scanned??? I'll give you that, but then you must acknowledge the following... 1. Scouts should not be the second best CQC suits/frames. Once a scout is strafing, he is instantly the favorite against all other suits (except maybe a heavy) in CQC. 2. Scouts should not be better at assaulting then assault suits/frames. 3. Scouts should not be able to "One hit kill" medium suits (Except with Nova knives) given that due to their Ewar/cloak advantage, it's easy for them to get the first shot in. You might be tired of the QQ on the forums, but if you ran a medium suit most of the time, you would be crying for change too. Did you even play Dust when logi slayers were king and scouts sucked? Back then 360 scans provided logi slayers all the ewar benefits scouts currently have, except they had more range and DIDN'T have to sacrafice fitting slots to make scanners effective. Not to mention logi slayers had three times the HP a proper scout today has. And lets not forget this was back when TTK was shorter, damage mods were 10% bonus each and the RR was extremely OP. During this dark period in Dust a tripple damage modded, armor stacked 900hp gal logi with RR, armor hives and 100m 360 scans was hands down the most over powered ***** fit dust has ever seen. Today's scouts don't even come close to the scanning ability, hp or damage projection logi slayers used to have and today's Dust is nowhere near as unbalanced as it once was when logi slayers were everywhere. Not to mention they moved even faster then cause lolOParmorplates....if anyone actually played a scout back then, they'd understand people defending them
I'm not advocating for the game to return to a previous state of imbalance.
You are basically saying... It was worst before, so the fact that it is broken now is not an issue. The fact that you construct your argument in this manner only proves that you cannot defend the current meta.
Small nerfs to the Scouts are needed. Only players who run scouts and put their interest above that of the game will deny this.
This has been proposed before, but I'll restate it. Scouts should be nerfed by ...
1. Changing their light weapons slot to a sidearm slot. My reasoning for this is that the huge advantage in Ewar and the cloak have made getting up close and firing the first shot extremely easy for Scout, when you combine this with the ability to "One Hit Kill", you have an imbalance.
2. Increasing the size of the hit-box for all scouts. My reasoning for this is that once Scouts are strafing, they are easily the second best suit at CQC.
If these 2 things were done, scouts would mostly be used in the way they were intended (hacking objectives, providing intel, and dropping uplinks) as opposed to being used as an assault dropsuit.
How do you kill that which has no life?
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Joel II X
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
3313
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Posted - 2014.09.09 14:15:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:One Eyed King wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:I feel your pain. But i love running at 11.12... I think he was referring to the QQ, not scouts who consciously use their fit for something other than EWAR. Yeah. I've been reading the threads of people who forgot what it was like before 1.8 hit.
To be honest, i kinda forgot as well.
I do remember a match against a dude with a Duvolle Focused Active Scanner. I was THAT good to get it pulled out on me lol too bad I just went AFK after getting scanned. |
Joel II X
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
3313
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Posted - 2014.09.09 14:19:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Please help me. I can't take it. Too many noobs. Scouts are suppose to not be scanned unless you make your fit spesifically to scan them, but even then... that's the whole reason they got less profile, to not be scanned by the likes of you. Scouts are not supposed to be scanned??? I'll give you that, but then you must acknowledge the following... 1. Scouts should not be the second best CQC suits/frames. Once a scout is strafing, he is instantly the favorite against all other suits (except maybe a heavy) in CQC. 2. Scouts should not be better at assaulting then assault suits/frames. 3. Scouts should not be able to "One hit kill" medium suits (Except with Nova knives) given that due to their Ewar/cloak advantage, it's easy for them to get the first shot in. You might be tired of the QQ on the forums, but if you ran a medium suit most of the time, you would be crying for change too.
When I run Assault, I turn to my 6 every few moments if I know there's a dangerous scout about. Then, I proceed to shoot stuff with my GEK. |
Death Shadow117
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
414
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Posted - 2014.09.09 15:12:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Please help me. I can't take it. Too many noobs. Scouts are suppose to not be scanned unless you make your fit spesifically to scan them, but even then... that's the whole reason they got less profile, to not be scanned by the likes of you. you know i run one basic/adv presicion enhancer and i almost always see other "scouts" (if thats what they think they are) that dont run damps... seriously? i dont think anyone uses my fit even though is completely op by kin cat's standards. Let me guess. 1 complex shield, 1 complex precision, 2 complex damps, 1 complex reactive plate, and 1 complex armor plate. nope here it is- Scout g-1 series- 1 adv enhancer, 1 enh shield, 1 cplx damp, 1 cplx ferro, 1 enh hack mod. On proto i use 2 cplx damps though. Weapons- hk4m shottys (getting rid of them) and zn-28 nova knives o and an adv cloak. It's not OP. You're screwed if you get caught out in the open, get scanned (I know right), or fight someone with experience and has a rifle.
nope i barely ever die but thats because im not a ****** and run around in the open. I use it on every map and i always go positive because only retards run arpund in the open with a shotgun scout. Ive never been scanned by anything but pro scanners.
Remove marijuana from blocked words list.
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Death Shadow117
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
414
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Posted - 2014.09.09 15:16:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Please help me. I can't take it. Too many noobs. Scouts are suppose to not be scanned unless you make your fit spesifically to scan them, but even then... that's the whole reason they got less profile, to not be scanned by the likes of you. you know i run one basic/adv presicion enhancer and i almost always see other "scouts" (if thats what they think they are) that dont run damps... seriously? i dont think anyone uses my fit even though is completely op by kin cat's standards. Let me guess. 1 complex shield, 1 complex precision, 2 complex damps, 1 complex reactive plate, and 1 complex armor plate. nope here it is- Scout g-1 series- 1 adv enhancer, 1 enh shield, 1 cplx damp, 1 cplx ferro, 1 enh hack mod. On proto i use 2 cplx damps though. Weapons- hk4m shottys (getting rid of them) and zn-28 nova knives o and an adv cloak. You are really limiting yourself with Nks and Shotguns together. Anyone outside of 10 m will kill you and not even have to worry about taking much damage. You should at least create a fit that has a CR if you really want to knife, or a ScP if you really want to use a shotgun.
ask anyone that has fought me before i stick to cover even.if i have to move in the open. I cant explain it but people dont shoot at me fpr some reason. If ypu have skill you dont need ranged weapons.
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JudgeIsABadPilot
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2014.09.09 15:21:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:
The ones with proto gal logi. Right now they are only worth using on those suits, which is CCP's fault for messing that up. No one asked for one item to be good on one suit.
Can't argue with logic and what your saying good sir , makes since . I just don't understand that one either . It's counterproductive and creates skill point sinks by only having items with one application and not multiple purposes for usage .
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2014.09.09 15:26:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:
When was the last time anyone saw a merc using an active scanner?
I've only read about them in books.
You haven't been here long, have you? Scannerinas, Scannerinas everywhere. Traipsing about, scanning EVERYTHING within a 150m radius. Everything. This went on for almost a full year. Imagine if everyone had the scanning capabilities that the Calscout had. Scanners were a pain, but passive scans are much worst due to the following reasons. 1. Active scanners have a limited duration whereas passive scans do not. 2. When a logi is using a scanner, he is not able to use his weapon. 3. You get warned when you are scanned by an active scanner whereas you are not warned by passive scans So complain all you want about the "You have been scanned" days, but the current meta has only improved this for scouts. It's actually worst for all other frames right now then it was back then.
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.09.09 23:50:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Duke Noobiam wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Please help me. I can't take it. Too many noobs. Scouts are suppose to not be scanned unless you make your fit spesifically to scan them, but even then... that's the whole reason they got less profile, to not be scanned by the likes of you. Scouts are not supposed to be scanned??? I'll give you that, but then you must acknowledge the following... 1. Scouts should not be the second best CQC suits/frames. Once a scout is strafing, he is instantly the favorite against all other suits (except maybe a heavy) in CQC. 2. Scouts should not be better at assaulting then assault suits/frames. 3. Scouts should not be able to "One hit kill" medium suits (Except with Nova knives) given that due to their Ewar/cloak advantage, it's easy for them to get the first shot in. You might be tired of the QQ on the forums, but if you ran a medium suit most of the time, you would be crying for change too. When I run Assault, I turn to my 6 every few moments if I know there's a dangerous scout about. Then, I proceed to shoot stuff with my GEK.
lol I check my 6 every like 10 seconds at least.
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