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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.07 06:10:00 -
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Hello, once again I am unfortunately having to bother you with nonsense but here goes...
What is the intented role for HAV in PC?
This question popped into my mind thanks to the discussion in my thread about the intented role of Large Blaster.
Thanks for the reply in advance.
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1013
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Posted - 2014.09.07 06:41:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Infantry support, and AV (AP when fitted with gunners).
The intended role of an item doesn't change based on which game-mode you're in. It does because if you need a gunner in PC to be useful, then you are not needed for that PC.
EDIT: Atiim, since when have you been CCP Rattati?
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1014
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Posted - 2014.09.07 07:03:00 -
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Atiim wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Atiim wrote:Infantry support, and AV (AP when fitted with gunners).
The intended role of an item doesn't change based on which game-mode you're in. It does because if you need a gunner in PC to be useful, then you are not needed for that PC. EDIT: Atiim, since when have you been CCP Rattati? Then perhaps, you should get a different FC. Because anyone who wouldn't want to field something with:
- On-board Spawn Systems
- On-board Scan Systems
- Superior AV Capabilities
- Superior AP Capabilities
While also being able to defend 2 objectives at once (on certain sockets), and can pretty much kill any ADS who lingers for too long clearly has no idea of how to be a tactical player, or simply doesn't want to stray from the meta. As for being CCP Rattati, you don't need to be a DEV to relay something as obvious as this. Though if you'd like, go ahead and wait for him to come so he can say something along the lines of: Quote:The intended role of something doesn't change based on what game-mode you're in. Every item is assigned a certain role, and should be performing that role, regardless of what mode it's in. This is not even worth replying to with any kind of argument.
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1016
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:24:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote: That has to be the least intelligent Atiim post I have ever seen ever.
Now that would be saying alot but I'm not going to go into insults here, I just want to have a conclusive answer to my question from CCP Rattati.
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1017
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Posted - 2014.09.07 22:19:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:Really, I've had a few PC battles now, there's only a few maps where tanks aren't that useful, but they still perform well as anti-air and to intercept the stragglers once you've pushed them out of the main area.
Also the HMG spam makes all vehicles useful, as they're by far the best way to get rid of them or at least pop their logi trains. Again, I feel like I must link this, do you see me or Psycho Tanker on the field much? Do you even see or feel like there's a need for us on the field?
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1017
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Posted - 2014.09.07 22:24:00 -
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Aderek wrote:One question about HAV/Dropships:
I can hear them (20-40m from me), but beyond wall/hill and... i didnt see them on my personal radar. Why?
:) Has to do with your dropsuit passive scan range, if you stack range amps or play as cal scout you'll see them far away in your passive scans.
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1018
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Posted - 2014.09.07 23:43:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Derpty Derp wrote:Really, I've had a few PC battles now, there's only a few maps where tanks aren't that useful, but they still perform well as anti-air and to intercept the stragglers once you've pushed them out of the main area.
Also the HMG spam makes all vehicles useful, as they're by far the best way to get rid of them or at least pop their logi trains. Again, I feel like I must link this, do you see me or Psycho Tanker on the field much? Do you even see or feel like there's a need for us on the field? If you've fitted your tank to be for you and you alone, no. But don't forget like Atiim said there are plenty of support modules that you can use to benifit your team. Even if you just switch out that nitro for an MCRU you turn your tank into a mobile staging area. Your IMMUNE to light weapons fire (AV excluded natrually) which makes you ideal for mobile cover. 1 scanner shows every piece of equipment, the majority of medium suits, all heavies and all other vehicles within a HUGE 100m radius, for a minute at a time (or there abouts). Your large blaster while perhaps not designed for infantry is still incredibly effecient at it, while also having a large enough mag to supress your enemy and cause them to bunker down/channel into a killzone. You can even in circumstances, where there isn't enough room in a DS or LAV be used as a make shift APC. Your speed allows for upto 2 people, with vehicle support from yourself to be rapidly deployed across the map. The thing is and always will be, that whenever you see a tank in any game, you instantly assume it's role should be 'to make boom big' when in reality (both actual RL and in game) a tank is basically 'Close Infantry Ground Support' You have no idea what you are talking about, do you?
Or is that just a poor attempt at trolling?
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1023
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Posted - 2014.09.08 13:54:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote: You have no idea what you are talking about, do you?
Or is that just a poor attempt at trolling?
Using your brain is trolling now is it? The dude just pointed out several ways of being 'useful' as a vehicle user... Seriously though, 2 small turrets with average gunners on a tank = carnage... Just a shame PC matches are all organized by ground troops that want 1 man vehicles unless it's a stacked bonus dropship. What you need is alternate strategies, instead of just the usuall 'sit in the red line and wait for dropships to shoot down.' Seriously if you wanna be a 'nooby' tanker there's almost always 1 sitting in the redzone pointing into the closest objective. Haven't you heard? PC uses whatever strategies gets you the win easiest. It's not about fair play or anything like that, it's about what is most effective and tank with turrets is not effective enough compared to what those gunners could be doing on the ground.
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1024
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Posted - 2014.09.09 02:31:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote: Until the enemy destroys said uplinks, or CCP nerfs them. Also Uplinks aren't bulletproof.
However you make a good point, why bother with anything but more tank? It's the reason PC is like it is, why you can't trust players with infinite customization. Because when it comes down to it eHP > Skill, eHP > tactics, eHP > ALL.
And what happens when the enemy destroys your ADS? There is not a single spawn point by you anywhere on the map until you get a new one which takes time.
Spawning on MCRU is slow.
Placing uplinks in key areas is infinitely more effective than you constantly having to cancel what you are doing and moving to where your teammates want to spawn.
Your team needs to get back to where they are needed ASAP, not wait a fraking long time to get back where they need to be.
Not to mention if you have that MCRU in a tank and you happen to already have your seats full, they get glitched inside your tank. And with a tank it's even harder to be constantly where your guys need to spawn.
You also talked about scanner. So what good does it do when you are scanning for those 2 guys at the homepoint? They can't make any use of your scans, and your scans can pretty much only see heavies and maybe logis in PC.
And if you fit your tank like that then the first enemy tank that comes across is gonna blow you to bits in a heartbeat. And then you are absolutely no use for your team again, not saying that you were being any use before. But your team is actually having to carry you in that match. You are less than no use to your team like that so they have to do your job and more.
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1044
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Posted - 2014.09.11 10:53:00 -
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So, since this has not gotten a reply from Rattati, I'm going to have to assume that HAVs are not meant to have any purpose in PC.
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