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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.08 21:06:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:A single decent AVer/ few unorganized/under skilled AVers is/are currently capable of consistently chasing off an ADS. There. They've won. The ADS cannot help the team the the full extent it's capable and has most likely become a hindrance to its team by essentially removing the player from battle. The end goal should not always be to kill the ADS, but to incapacitate it and prevent it from doing what it wants to do, and current AV is capable of doing that. This is a hilarious viewpoint. That the ADS should be able to kill the AVer, but the AVer should only be able to 'drive off' the ADS. That's not balance, lol. Your ADS should die just as often as you kill a swarmer trying to kill you. Echo 1991 wrote:How would it skew balance? A swarm cannot hurt anything other than vehicles and installations so it should do a very good job at destroying vehicles, especially if it is proto. And as long as it takes 2 people to effectively destroy a vehicle at proto level it creates an imbalance. 1 person shouldnt be able to take 2 infantry out of a fight just to get rid of it. This. Right now vehicles allow a single player to be as powerful as multiple other players. That is broken. A vehicle should only be able to kill infantry players if infantry players can kill vehicles.
It is balance, though. The ADS costs more than the AV.
Why should the AV be able to kill the ADS when he isn't doing anything nearly as difficult or costly?
There is an ISK commitment value to consider here, as well as a size/power fantasy difference. You can't put them on even footing or the concept of vehicles because irrelevant. Much like tanks are irrelevant.
If you make ADS cheaper, then I can see them being taken down more easily by AV. But they have to be a lot cheaper. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.08 21:23:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:It is balance, though. The ADS costs more than the AV. ADS price is not high enough to justify infinite KDR. And cost isn't a big balance thing when you only need to buy one.
It's not infinite KDR. I kill ADS all the time. It simply requires one extra person shooting at it.
I don't know why this is such a difficult thing for the Dust community. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4825
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Posted - 2014.09.08 21:26:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote: That's not even entering into the point that ISK balance in the game is so horribly off, that balancing by ISK investment is a bad idea.
One player should be able to kill one player.
So you want ISK to be a pointless number that means nothing.
Yea, okay. You need to be removed from office. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4825
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Posted - 2014.09.08 21:27:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:It's not infinite KDR. I kill ADS all the time. It simply requires one extra person shooting at it.
I don't know why this is such a difficult thing for the Dust community. Why do you believe your class should be inherently twice as powerful as everyone else? And if your class is twice as powerful as everyone else, why would anyone play any other class? That's the very definition of imbalance.
Because it costs more. Cost is supposed to have a value, dumbass. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4825
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Posted - 2014.09.08 23:07:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:
No, it already IS a pointless number that means nothing. Have you seen Nyain San's wallet? Should they simply be allowed to win every match by default based on the size of their massive cash pile? Or should they have to fight for their victories?
That's called compounding an error.
You see one problem and want to solve it by making another problem. This, in turn, makes YOU a problem.
If it were up to you the game wouldn't even have a market, in which case you could be playing literally any other game and having a better time. Why the hell do you even play Dust? |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4827
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Posted - 2014.09.09 07:35:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:I'm curios how many kills people think an ADS get in a match. I play with lots of them. I very very rarely see anything above 20. The average well performing ADS was 15 kills, most hung around 7 to 10. I recorded every match with an enemy ADS in a PUB to get my numbers. They also rarely placed above position 5 on the scoreboard. I'm sure people remember the time one got 30 kills. But how many remember the time it got 4?
I see there is disagreement about ISK as part of the balance process. Are there others who think ISK should be completely ignored when looking at an assets performance? Should we balance on KDR alone?
Let me ask you this, if ISK has no certifiable factor in anything then why should it exist?
If it doesn't exist, why connect Dust with Eve? Why not have a completely different game with no market? Because at that point, it's exactly what you're getting. |
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