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Shiyou Hidiyoshi
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2014.09.06 00:00:00 -
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AV does damage to dropships... of course, that makes sense.
Bullets from CRs, RRs, ARs, HMGs, SMGs, etc. do damage to shield dropships when they have 0 shields... what?
CCP this has been broken for a while but please fix this crap.
A Viper, Myron, or Python should not get sniped out of the air by a MLT sniper rifle because it has 0 shields. The armor on shield dropships is like armor on a dropsuit, bullets damage it.
It is some what common knowledge and people exploit it.
"O look a python! I'll flux it twice then shoot it down with my AR!" Seriously?
It is like fluxing a Gunnlogi then shooting it to death with an SMG. Imagine the QQ from that...
If a shield dropship has... lets say 500 armor, it should be 500 vehicle armor just like all the other vehicles. Shield dropships shouldn't be like a dropsuit and get killed by guns. If an HMG is firing for a long time while it has no shields then okay you can debate that but every single gun can kill any shield dropship when it has 0 shields.
I have had numerous times where my Myron gets shot down by a sniper, CR, RR, or HMG quickly because of this crap.
My guess is that the issue lies with efficiency but you can check on that if I'm wrong.
I would post this in the Feedback section but everyone knows that GD actually gets attention while the Feedback section gets ignored from time to time. Just like other stuff I've posted in the Feedback section, issue ignored.
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
406
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Posted - 2014.09.06 00:37:00 -
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This isn't a "special" case for the shield pilots... This is for all vehicles, but most others have armour rep which outdoes everything... I have actually managed to kill (last hit) a tank once with a shotgun... though it's usually jeeps and cheap ships that get killed... |
Hakyou Brutor
Pure Evil.
1229
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Posted - 2014.09.06 00:40:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:This isn't a "special" case for the shield pilots... This is for all vehicles, but most others have armour rep which outdoes everything... I have actually managed to kill (last hit) a tank once with a shotgun... though it's usually jeeps and cheap ships that get killed...
That is extremely untrue. I cannot tell you how many times I'm hopped out of my tank to finish off the last 50 armor of a gunnlogi but I cannot even do 30 damage with 10 shots from 30 meters... |
Shiyou Hidiyoshi
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2014.09.06 00:41:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:This isn't a "special" case for the shield pilots... This is for all vehicles, but most others have armour rep which outdoes everything... I have actually managed to kill (last hit) a tank once with a shotgun... though it's usually jeeps and cheap ships that get killed...
All vehicles don't have the issue
When you shoot a vehicle with a gun, it barely does any damage. If you shoot a shield dropship when it is in armor, it does serious damage.
Example:
A gun that does 30 damage a bullet hits a tank, tank receives 1-4 damage
A gun that does 30 damage a bullet hits a shield dropship, the shield dropship receives 30 damage.
If a tank is on the verge of death, you could kill it with a gun but when it actually has health you can't. When a shield dropship has FULL armor, you can shoot it with a gun and kill it in seconds.
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1390
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Posted - 2014.09.06 01:03:00 -
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:
When you shoot a vehicle with a gun, it barely does any damage. If you shoot a shield dropship when it is in armor, it does serious damage.
Example:
A gun that does 30 damage a bullet hits a tank, tank receives 1-4 damage
A gun that does 30 damage a bullet hits a shield dropship, the shield dropship receives 30 damage.
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It doesn't do full damage to dropships. I forget the efficiency % (I want to say 20-ish when aiming at the engines) but it isn't anywhere near 100%; though it's not as low as it is against tanks. Here's the thing though the armor on aircraft is naturally going to be lighter than a tanks, even lighter than an LAV's. Otherwise the engines would have to be massive, probably as large as the rest of the DS itself to produce enough thrust for any sort of lift though I doubt you'd get far off the ground. So it's logical for light weapons to damage it more than they would a tank. However even with the highest dps, non-AV weapon it still takes enough time to destroy a DS that the pilot can easily get away.
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Coleman Gray
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.09.06 01:08:00 -
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I've killed tanks before with a shotgun and also with a Gek....granted my PLC softened them up but thats irrelevant.
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Hakyou Brutor
Pure Evil.
1229
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Posted - 2014.09.06 01:13:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:It doesn't do full damage to dropships. I forget the efficiency % (I want to say 20-ish when aiming at the engines) but it isn't anywhere near 100%; though it's not as low as it is against tanks. Here's the thing though the armor on aircraft is naturally going to be lighter than a tanks, even lighter than an LAV's. Otherwise the engines would have to be massive, probably as large as the rest of the DS itself to produce enough thrust for any sort of lift though I doubt you'd get far off the ground. So it's logical for light weapons to damage it more than they would a tank. However even with the highest dps, non-AV weapon it still takes enough time to destroy a DS that the pilot can easily get away.
No, it is a bug that allows some weapons to do 100% efficiency against shield dropships with no shield.
For example, I didn't know of the bug at the time, but I was up on a tower taking out enemy uplinks when a Viper tried to land on me, when doing so the collision of him hitting the structure took all his shield down and left him with about 800 armor, I was using a standard Scrambler Rifle and I fired roughly 13 shots at the dropship and he went down. |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
984
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Posted - 2014.09.06 01:20:00 -
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I accidentally killed a tank with a Scrambler Pistol a few weeks ago. Surprised the hell out of me cause I only shot 2 times at it.
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1390
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Posted - 2014.09.06 01:26:00 -
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Hakyou Brutor wrote:Thumb Green wrote:It doesn't do full damage to dropships. I forget the efficiency % (I want to say 20-ish when aiming at the engines) but it isn't anywhere near 100%; though it's not as low as it is against tanks. Here's the thing though the armor on aircraft is naturally going to be lighter than a tanks, even lighter than an LAV's. Otherwise the engines would have to be massive, probably as large as the rest of the DS itself to produce enough thrust for any sort of lift though I doubt you'd get far off the ground. So it's logical for light weapons to damage it more than they would a tank. However even with the highest dps, non-AV weapon it still takes enough time to destroy a DS that the pilot can easily get away. No, it is a bug that allows some weapons to do 100% efficiency against shield dropships with no shield. For example, I didn't know of the bug at the time, but I was up on a tower taking out enemy uplinks when a Viper tried to land on me, when doing so the collision of him hitting the structure took all his shield down and left him with about 800 armor, I was using a standard Scrambler Rifle and I fired roughly 13 shots at the dropship and he went down.
Well damn, I guess I should pay more attention cause I never noticed it but I'm also usually shooting at armor dropships on those rare occasions that I shoot at DS's without AV. The bug should definitely be fixed cause I can agree they shouldn't be doing 100% damage against dropships.
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
407
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Posted - 2014.09.06 01:38:00 -
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:Derpty Derp wrote:This isn't a "special" case for the shield pilots... This is for all vehicles, but most others have armour rep which outdoes everything... I have actually managed to kill (last hit) a tank once with a shotgun... though it's usually jeeps and cheap ships that get killed... All vehicles don't have the issue When you shoot a vehicle with a gun, it barely does any damage. If you shoot a shield dropship when it is in armor, it does serious damage. Example: A gun that does 30 damage a bullet hits a tank, tank receives 1-4 damage A gun that does 30 damage a bullet hits a shield dropship, the shield dropship receives 30 damage. If a tank is on the verge of death, you could kill it with a gun but when it actually has health you can't. When a shield dropship has FULL armor, you can shoot it with a gun and kill it in seconds.
I think you'll find Jeeps have it worse than dropships... |
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.09.06 01:39:00 -
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I've noticed this glitch several times while fighting Pythons in my Commando. I down it's Shields, and then switch to my CR once it gets out of range and it sometimes gives a 100% efficiency.
Typically, I only use this glitch against people who are skill stacking.
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi
Ancient Exiles.
911
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Posted - 2014.09.06 08:55:00 -
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The examples Atiim and Hakyou gave is what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about a tank that is on the verge of death then killed by a gun. I'm not talking about a LAV that is on the verge of death or was being shot at for a bit by numerous guns. I'm talking about a set of vehicles that can be killed by a MLT AR at FULL armor when they have 0 shields. Shield LAVs could be killed by fluxing them then shooting them but it would take a good amount of ammo to do it if you're not using an HMG. A shield dropship though could be killed by 1 clip or less by most guns. I've killed Pythons with 2 fluxes and 1 clip of my Toxin SMG.
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taxi bastard
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
257
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Posted - 2014.09.06 09:04:00 -
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light veichles i.e all dropships and LAV's shoudl take small arms damage IMO |
Shiyou Hidiyoshi
Ancient Exiles.
911
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Posted - 2014.09.06 09:14:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:light veichles i.e all dropships and LAV's shoudl take small arms damage IMO
but should they get destroyed by a few bullets? Shield dropships can be killed with a MLT sniper in a few shots, with a glitch like that, a heavy suit is more of a vehicle than some shield dropships.
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1008
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Posted - 2014.09.06 09:45:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:This isn't a "special" case for the shield pilots... This is for all vehicles, but most others have armour rep which outdoes everything... I have actually managed to kill (last hit) a tank once with a shotgun... though it's usually jeeps and cheap ships that get killed...
Actually, this is for all shield vehicles. You can destroy any shield vehicle with small arms but you cannot destroy armor vehicles as easily, you deal 1 dmg per shot to armor vehicles. Where as you deal almost full damage to shield vehicles.
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Ryme Intrinseca
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1741
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Posted - 2014.09.06 09:56:00 -
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Why would it not take damage from small arms? It's not a tank, nor is it an armoured DS. It is a light vehicle, logically lighter than an LAV since it has to fight gravity. It relies on its shields for protection, so when they're done, it's fair game. |
Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
328
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Posted - 2014.09.06 10:02:00 -
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I've destroyed a fair share of LAVs, Drop ships, and tanks with my HMG. Even soloed a Sica with flux grenades and an HMG.
I think they shouldn't change a thing about it. Blowing up vehicles with an HMG is fun! And if you die to anti-infantry weapons a lot, you are doing something wrong.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1273
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Posted - 2014.09.06 10:29:00 -
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Weapon efficacy still takes a hit vs armor, but since shield vehicles typically don't have armor repairers fitted they can't out-rep incoming damage like armor vehicles can. I've seen more than a few dropships get cut down by a viziam laser rifle.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5621
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Posted - 2014.09.06 14:02:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Why would it not take damage from small arms? It's not a tank, nor is it an armoured DS. It is a light vehicle, logically lighter than an LAV since it has to fight gravity. It relies on its shields for protection, so when they're done, it's fair game.
Pretty sure Dropships are labelled as medium vehicles, not light.
They logically should be tougher than LAVs, but only slightly. |
Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11999
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Posted - 2014.09.06 14:49:00 -
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JudgeIsABadPilot
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2014.09.06 16:32:00 -
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That's entirely fair according to the people on here. They also apparently think a Barrett rifle can destroy an M1A1 Abrams. |
Shiyou Hidiyoshi
Ancient Exiles.
915
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Posted - 2014.09.07 01:25:00 -
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JudgeIsABadPilot wrote:That's entirely fair according to the people on here. They also apparently think a Barrett rifle can destroy an M1A1 Abrams.
and like usual CCP ignores anything related to shields...
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