Though the first part of #2 is indeed a problem, you can always hear a KDS coming, and they move so slow that evading them is of no real issue. Most ADS pilots are smart enough to not stand still anyways, so I fail to see why your having problems.

As for #3, the knockback effect of the ADV and PRO Swarm Launchers were already nerfed when the missiles per volley were reduced from 6 to 4.

If the knockback was nerfed any further, you'd have a situation where the Pilot would have the advantage in a 1v1 due to the fact that he'll get the first shot, as the SL will still be locking. You can already 3HK a MinCom (which is like nothing if you spec into ADS Operation and Caldari ADS Operation).

To #4, I support a price reduction of ADSs; and #5 is a given.


At least my balance ideals aren't hypocritical, unlike many of the ADS pilots here.

They still sometimes knock me 90 degrees vertical. If there is any structures or terrain within 150m or so behind me that means I'm dead. Or if I'm not 30m+ above the ground, I'm dead. And at the very least they always knock my aim off by rotating my ADS 15-35 degrees in some direction on average.
But I don't see that as such a big problem, more of a problem is that I can't tell if I'm being shot at by MLT or PRO swarms, I have no idea if I wanna stand and fight or flee assuming I can render the swarms in the first place.

Ok, you are right about the shield collision and gravity problems, but the whole i cant see you argument is not strictly true all the time. I have been it by a small rail from over 80m away so lets not say i cant see you until im 30m away cos it is a lie. Also why should physics not affect you because you are in a dropship? If a dropship hits you at full speed you should get blown up, same way lavs blow up if they go full speed into another lav.

I do not understand.

1. You'll still be able to get away from any single Swarmer. He can't kill you in three volleys. Why would you hang around while he reloads?

2. You should've always been vulnerable to focused fire from two or more Swarmers. Every other unit in the game can be overwhelmed by teamwork; do you think you deserve to be treated differently?

3. By what means have you determined that your "survivability will be reduced by half"?

@ Swarmer Ignorance
When I fit my CalScout for recon, I don't attempt to slay. I'm may pick off a target of opportunity here or there, but I'm generally best off managing risks away from the fray.

@ Skill-less Swarms
I'm of the opinion that all weapons should be viable, whether or not I like how they were designed. Dumb fire swarms would be great, but it's not happening; not a valid excuse to ignore swarm underperformance.

@ CCP is bad at balance
Wolfman, perhaps. Rattati, clearly not.

Because if you fit you're vehicle as a Glass object, you should die as easily as a glass object?

HP Modules and Hardeners are meant to increase the survivability of a vehicle, and if you want survivability you should be forced to fit them. If AV was balanced around base eHP, then it'd be underpowered when someone does decide to fit for max survivability.

In the same sense, that if AV was balanced around base DPS, it'd be overpowered when someone stacks damage modifiers for max DPS. Every module increases how efficient something is at a certain role. If you want to be efficient in something, then use the module.

Honestly, the notion of not wanting to fit HP modules to survive is so stupid that even I have difficulty believing that someone said it. Though if you're willing to allow Medium Frames to survive an entire clip of XT-1s without putting on HP modules, I'd be happy to conform to your "balance ideal".


The only time a Swarm Launcher doesn't take skill is when you're fighting parked LAV or terri-bads. When fighting competent players, you have to fire and position your swarms in multiple ways, which is much harder (and more time consuming) than simply leading your target with a FG.

Though I fail to see how a 30s cooldown would be broken. You can evade the area, but you'll have to either find another engagement or return to the engagement and risk getting destroyed. This is called, a "wave of opportunity", which is CCP's design philosophy with vehicles.

Right, and if your not using a minmatar commando to shoot down ads you shouldn't expect to kill them.
Shame on those pilots who want to use the dropship for what it was meant for, don't they know that the massive hole in their ship is just there for aesthetics? Interesting fits? No! Your just suppose to fit HP! God what's wrong with you?!

Sigh, well maybe in delta the Myron will stand somewhat of a chance so I can make an interesting fit. Sucks that the handling is so poor.

This must be a troll post.

9/10 - Good game.