And what exactly is the problem here? That you need to aim more with small rails then with small missiles? Seriously a Python with a gunner is better at killing infantry then the small rail on a incubus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDuo-P8nJLs

CCP I know this is being looked at but come on. Be quick.

I'm sure that even with stacking the small blaster can't even approach dat killing power.

The issue here is pilot skills stacking. yes it creates an OP situation yes dark cloud is dodging the issue by attempting to make the point that that you could do this with a python and it'd be even more OP (then again the incubus is able to sit longer because of it's tank levels IMO)...whether 2 players respective skills should stack like this is the issue that needs a debate and consensus answer.

Quasar....you're joking, right? I can't believe that you are trying to argue that the ADS is underpowered. Especially when you say that it's easy for AV to take out an ADS. If there has ever been a more biased opinion, I'd be surprised.

I believe that the incubus in the video requires 3 shots from a triple-stacked damage mod particle cannon. Good luck getting 3 shots on that ADS.

Just because these guys die doesn't mean that it isn't OP

Never said stacked gunners isn't OP. It is. But it takes a lot of SP to get to that. Its earned firepower. Their gunships are still just as vulnerable. I look at it like a sniper in the redline. Its OP to be in a place where you don't have to face infantry & you just get to snipe them with minimal resistance. If you really want them dead, You'll find a way.

I'm just saying I'm fine with the stacked skills. Makes dropships more formidable for fire power. It is a rare case to have a good gunner in which the gunner has to have spent millions of SP to make it stacked in the first place. I'm not saying this as a pilot who always flies with gunners. Like I said, I've been on both sides. However, A skilled pilot will know how to take care of this in a match.
Because it is a minority in the game, I just don't particularly pay too much attention to it. There are bigger issues at hand. Like the specialization gone from vehicles, Pythons not being level with Incubus, Python's armor being bugged, Invisible swarms, Invisible forges, Collision issues with dropships & just plain ridiculous rendering issues.

And don't bring up tanks. Forges are worth more on the battlefront than tanks nowadays. Tanks ain't what they used to be, Nor will they ever return to that state. The modules, Turrets we have now are bland & require minimal thought. Making just about anybody a decent tanker.

That's where people have it wrong in this game. Teamwork is supposed to be OP. Its what the game calls for. Not solo crap. No, You will not fire swarms at an ADS by yourself and expect to kill it. Nor with a tank or forge. But if you had others with you to help your cause, Consider that vehicle gone.

Teamwork is fine....I don't have a problem with how effective ADS kills infantry and tanks. My problem is the lack of an effective counter. Once you hit an ADS once..they activate their burner, and they are out of danger. No other vehicle or infantry class can boast that ability.

The only way is to catch them sleeping and hope you can get two shots on them before they leave. ADS' that require 3 shots are insane to take out. Tanks are just vulnerable to them...ADS pilots can even fly into the spawn and destroy the tank before the timer runs out lol.

idk...I just feel that ADS' being able to just get out of range by hitting the ceiling (ADS redline) is just too easy.

Teamwork would be using both turrets and both people to gain an advantage... Not just having 2 people to make 1 turret pew pew like crazy.
And the guy who mentioned LAV's is right... The LAV's get boned time and time again, but no one even thinks about it.

The only thing that has happened to LAVs is, LLAVS & SLAVS got removed, Plus they got nerfed through modules.

Well, All I know, When I have a stacked gunner -- He just doesn't pew pew like crazy. He drops out & places links, Gives me advanced warnings of incoming dangers that I don't see. My gunner is the sword of my ADS. Remember, If the gunner has stacked skills, He is already a pilot himself. Not to mention we are risking about 1 million isk every time.

Every nerf to a small turret & every buff to other vehicles and av is something that effects the LAV as well... While it's the easiest vehicle to blow up, you can also pop the driver with ease... Keeping an LAV alive takes more skill than piloting.

Congrats on pointing out all the other things a non stacked gunner can do to help with teamwork, while not actually pointing out how that makes the stacking bonus any less bullshite.

I don't know how you pilot, But I'm going to tell you now, Before labeling anything in this game, You should test every aspect for yourself. Cause right now, You just sound like the cry baby that dies from a gunship. You sound like the cry babies that got a lot of my vehicles/turrets/modules taken away

I have tried everything to do with vehicles... I have killed and destroyed everything that I complain about, I try everything that I complain about... I want balance, not just "waaah, don't take my **** away!"

Saying a side gunner can't do **** without stacking is ridiculous... Have you even used a non stacked turret? All 3 can take kills if used right without any bonus.