DUST Search - Who here has an underpowered sidearm up to prof 3 or higher?

I-Shayz-I wrote:

Underpowered as in not the SMG, SCP, or nova knives

I'm thinking that maybe the other sidearms are less used because people are not willing to skill into them? Or do you think that a mlt/std variant of a sidearm should be effective enough that you don't need skills into the weapon for it to be useful?

In other words, who here has high skills into an underpowered sidearm that can give some feedback on why the weapon is still terrible.
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For example

My favorite sidearm is the bolt pistol. Granted, I don't feel it is as effective as an SMG...but I've actually used it solo against other heavies when I ran out of HMG ammo...and found that it did a suprising amount more damage than I was expecting.

Heck, It's rather satisfying to get a kill with a bolt pistol from a long distance away when you're using a sentinel...yet I only have level 1 operation. This makes me think that maybe the bolt pistol isn't terrible...I just need to actually put some points into it lol
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I will be gradually skilling up the bolt pistol with my available sp, and I would like to see if there are others who have already done the same with their sidearm and could give some feedback on their experience with skilling into the weapon.

Does the weapons still feel drastically underpowered? Is the weapon's operation bonus at level 5 a big enough of an improvement? Does the prof bonus help much? Is it still more of a finishing weapon or do you think you could use it almost as a primary weapon if you needed to?

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I-Shayz-I I----------I 4741	Posted - 2014.09.02 11:58:00 - [1] - Quote Underpowered as in not the SMG, SCP, or nova knives I'm thinking that maybe the other sidearms are less used because people are not willing to skill into them? Or do you think that a mlt/std variant of a sidearm should be effective enough that you don't need skills into the weapon for it to be useful? In other words, who here has high skills into an underpowered sidearm that can give some feedback on why the weapon is still terrible. ___________________________________________________________________________________ For example My favorite sidearm is the bolt pistol. Granted, I don't feel it is as effective as an SMG...but I've actually used it solo against other heavies when I ran out of HMG ammo...and found that it did a suprising amount more damage than I was expecting. Heck, It's rather satisfying to get a kill with a bolt pistol from a long distance away when you're using a sentinel...yet I only have level 1 operation. This makes me think that maybe the bolt pistol isn't terrible...I just need to actually put some points into it lol __________________________________________________________________________________ I will be gradually skilling up the bolt pistol with my available sp, and I would like to see if there are others who have already done the same with their sidearm and could give some feedback on their experience with skilling into the weapon. Does the weapons still feel drastically underpowered? Is the weapon's operation bonus at level 5 a big enough of an improvement? Does the prof bonus help much? Is it still more of a finishing weapon or do you think you could use it almost as a primary weapon if you needed to? 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3313	Posted - 2014.09.02 11:59:00 - [2] - Quote Flaylock, BP, and Magsec at prof. 3.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2807	Posted - 2014.09.02 12:08:00 - [3] - Quote MagSec SMG op V, prof IV - It may kick like a mule, but it's not Minmatar garbage (SMG). I have bolt pistol op V, prof I - I don't use it much, but it is fun to use it when I do. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 494	Posted - 2014.09.02 12:16:00 - [4] - Quote Flaylock at Prof 5, Ion Pistol at Prof 3. Flaylocks splash radius is still far too small, direct damage is good. Ion Pistol? Well: Denchlad 7 wrote: 1st Rule - Dont skill into it. 2nd Rule - If you didnt listen to the 1st rule dont proto it. 3rd Rule - If you didnt listen to the 2nd rule make sure to get sharpshooter 5. 4th Rule - If you didnt listen to the 3rd rule do not use it. 5th Rule - If you didnt listen to the 4th rule do not charge it. 6th Rule - If you didnt listen to the 5th rule biomass yourself. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2333143#post2333143 I will be the only player to Prototype every single god damn weapon before Dust dies. 1 to go.
rithu Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 113	Posted - 2014.09.02 12:16:00 - [5] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: Flaylock, BP, and Magsec at prof. 3. You Nova knifed me while i was redline sniping with my viziam scr when my team was losing -__-
Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 416	Posted - 2014.09.02 12:21:00 - [6] - Quote Ion pistol at prof.4
A-P-P-Baby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 90	Posted - 2014.09.02 12:28:00 - [7] - Quote o/ Flaylock prof IV. I think it's a great finishing weapon. Gimme more than 3 shots per clip and I'll be happy. Anything more than that would be icing on the cake. They call me "Mr. Vacation"... I used to be relevant, but I learned to delegate so I could island hop
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 195	Posted - 2014.09.02 12:44:00 - [8] - Quote I used to have all of the Pistols to Prof 2, other than the Bolt Pistol. I never liked the BoP. I stopped at Op 5 on that one. I had the ScP and SMG to Prof 3.
Haerr Legio DXIV 1316	Posted - 2014.09.02 13:14:00 - [9] - Quote NKs and SMG here, both are in dire need of proper buffs. This SCOTTY has Super Cow Powers.
Jace Kaisar 77	Posted - 2014.09.02 13:33:00 - [10] - Quote Flaylock and Ion Pistol at Prof III Normally I would include NK as well, but they are fine now. I'm a Spooky Scary Ghost Before you ask, yes this is me.

shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2770	Posted - 2014.09.02 13:36:00 - [11] - Quote I have the bolt pistol, but it's not UP imo, it's almost fine, i would give 8 shots clip instead of 6 and a little more range. PSN: ogamega "Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items" LOCK REGIONS
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3314	Posted - 2014.09.02 14:09:00 - [12] - Quote rithu wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: Flaylock, BP, and Magsec at prof. 3. You Nova knifed me while i was redline sniping with my viziam scr when my team was losing -__- Were you that Proto GalScout on Ashland Skirmish?
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 91	Posted - 2014.09.02 14:11:00 - [13] - Quote I have bolt pistol prof but I dont remember what. Less than 3 im sure. The problem is I have toxin smg bpo so its almost pointless to run anything else. I usually run commando too so my my sidearm is a scrambler rifle. The bolt pistol is pretty sweet though I imagine its not so popular because you actually have to aim the damn thing instead of hip spamming it
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 2984	Posted - 2014.09.02 14:12:00 - [14] - Quote I don't have any, before the respec we got ages ago I mostly played a logi so I don't usually need a sidearm. Although now I try to run a ion pistol but honestly there is no point in prof for it. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4745	Posted - 2014.09.02 14:51:00 - [15] - Quote After testing, bolt pistol prof 3 with a kakliota and two damage mods works as expected. I was slaying proto scouts and heavies lol Although I think I need some more skills in ammo capacity. The reload is fine, I agree with a larger clip size, and the damage seems to be above optimal. I would love to see the operation skill reduce charge time rather than kick as well. Can't wait to see what kinds of buffs CCP has for these weapons. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 3955	Posted - 2014.09.02 14:58:00 - [16] - Quote Flaylock and Ion to 4, both were recent. I also have the knife to prof 3 but it's not UP. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3427	Posted - 2014.09.02 15:27:00 - [17] - Quote Magsec pro 5. Don't use it's a waste of my isk, CPU/pg Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
ARF 1049 The Phoenix Federation 135	Posted - 2014.09.02 15:49:00 - [18] - Quote Bolt pistol and ion pistol prof 3 with ion at sharpshooter 5 and 2-3 on each side of reload and ammo for each... I also have knives but those aren't as weak a weapon anymore. "In rust you trust, so in rust you shall die." *blows minmatar's face off with TT-3...
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 272	Posted - 2014.09.02 16:06:00 - [19] - Quote This past week i've replaced my smg op3 with the magsec op3 with suprising results. Skilled into it on day 1, thought the kick was too much so went back to breach smg. Now, i see how it's just a starter RR. Great range, accuate & controlable while ADS & kills med frames in single clip (think i may have a sidearm dmg mod on). Cal assault reload speed is beast! All in all, my new sidearm of choice. Burning through clones like Rusty Venture.
Aria Gomes The New Age Outlaws 449	Posted - 2014.09.02 16:19:00 - [20] - Quote I can't wait to get proficiency on my Flaylock Pistol and Bolt Pistol. Both are on lvl 5 now.

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17515	Posted - 2014.09.02 16:31:00 - [21] - Quote I had ion pistols at prof 5. Flying to new horizons.
ARF 1049 The Phoenix Federation 135	Posted - 2014.09.03 00:07:00 - [22] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I had ion pistols at prof 5. There is no past tense for ion pistols... You either never got it or are confusing it for something else... (We never got a respec since the IoP came out) "In rust you trust, so in rust you shall die." *blows minmatar's face off with TT-3...
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 134	Posted - 2014.09.03 00:08:00 - [23] - Quote I have magsec to prof 3 no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Ripcord19981 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 605	Posted - 2014.09.03 00:12:00 - [24] - Quote guilty, flaylock prof 4 I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4711	Posted - 2014.09.03 00:20:00 - [25] - Quote May or may not have a few points in Flaylock Proficiency. Can't comment on the weapon, though. Haven't touched it in ages :-) Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
zzZaXxx D3ATH CARD 469	Posted - 2014.09.03 00:21:00 - [26] - Quote Magsec to prof 2. Wanted to give my HMG heavy some range, but it kicks so hard that it kind of nullifies the range. I saw a youtube video of the bolt pistol and it seems to work quite well actually as a sidearm with range. It has very little recoil in ADS. It kicks but then the reticule goes right back to where it was.
zzZaXxx D3ATH CARD 469	Posted - 2014.09.03 00:22:00 - [27] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I had ion pistols at prof 5. Feelin for ya
OZAROW Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1543	Posted - 2014.09.03 00:31:00 - [28] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Underpowered as in not the SMG, SCP, or nova knives I'm thinking that maybe the other sidearms are less used because people are not willing to skill into them? Or do you think that a mlt/std variant of a sidearm should be effective enough that you don't need skills into the weapon for it to be useful? In other words, who here has high skills into an underpowered sidearm that can give some feedback on why the weapon is still terrible. ___________________________________________________________________________________ For example My favorite sidearm is the bolt pistol. Granted, I don't feel it is as effective as an SMG...but I've actually used it solo against other heavies when I ran out of HMG ammo...and found that it did a suprising amount more damage than I was expecting. Heck, It's rather satisfying to get a kill with a bolt pistol from a long distance away when you're using a sentinel...yet I only have level 1 operation. This makes me think that maybe the bolt pistol isn't terrible...I just need to actually put some points into it lol __________________________________________________________________________________ I will be gradually skilling up the bolt pistol with my available sp, and I would like to see if there are others who have already done the same with their sidearm and could give some feedback on their experience with skilling into the weapon. Does the weapons still feel drastically underpowered? Is the weapon's operation bonus at level 5 a big enough of an improvement? Does the prof bonus help much? Is it still more of a finishing weapon or do you think you could use it almost as a primary weapon if you needed to? Scrp prof 3 Flaylock prof 3 Operation 1 ion pistol and I love it and will skill once its fixed in delta magsec prof 3 Bolt pistol prof 4 LOVE THIS GUN needs two more shots in the mag smg and nk prof 5 Scp : needs at least a 400 rof Flaylock either needs: Too shoot faster with more damage on splash or stay the same with 6 in the mag Ion: needs less charge lock Magsec: Needs same scope as smg and less kick and needs to work like a close quarter gun that hhas range no a small rr with more kick. Smg. Reduce range (but personally you can cry as much as you like I think this gun performance should be the skeleton all sidearm s should be built around not nerf it.) Nk: More user friendly and alot easier to rush head on and kill with 2.5 m I feel this is boarderline noob friendly not like the old days when we had two wooden spoons BOLT PISTOL : This gun needs two more in the mag and it would be perfect and also it needs a pg reduction especially at proto, 14 pg???! Scp is 10/8 pg for the carthem and viziam, smg is like 8, you know whats 14+-+ the rr, scr and proto md so ya the BOLT PISTOL pg can be lowered. Have to be careful with the smg so the nerf doesnt nerf the MINMATAR ASSAULT since it he cr is recieving a change as well which will not make it wise to use two projectiles on that suit although thats what its ment for. Yes, you just got rocked by a guy with a BOLT PISTOL and a pair of knives! !
ARF 1049 The Phoenix Federation 135	Posted - 2014.09.03 00:53:00 - [29] - Quote OZAROW if they buff the ScP to 400 then they need to buff the IoP to 475 keeping atleast the higher RoF lower damage moto the weapon is supposed to uphold... And the seize can be removed another way I posted on one of my feature and idea forum topics about how to fix the IoP. "In rust you trust, so in rust you shall die." *blows minmatar's face off with TT-3...
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1659	Posted - 2014.09.03 01:15:00 - [30] - Quote Prof 4 on magsec. Want .y recoil reduction to apply. Shoot Scout with yes.

zzZaXxx D3ATH CARD 471	Posted - 2014.09.03 01:32:00 - [31] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Prof 4 on magsec. Want .y recoil reduction to apply. You saying you think the operation skill isnt working?
rithu Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 114	Posted - 2014.09.03 07:44:00 - [32] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: rithu wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: Flaylock, BP, and Magsec at prof. 3. You Nova knifed me while i was redline sniping with my viziam scr when my team was losing -__- Were you that Proto GalScout on Ashland Skirmish? Yup did i kill u or your sqd mates?
PARKOUR PRACTIONER D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1843	Posted - 2014.09.03 07:50:00 - [33] - Quote BP at Op 3. Sharpshooter and relad to two i think. Im going to invest heavily into it. Mag tovone. Pan to invest heavily into that to. PSN Sil4ntChaozz Anything you can do a RAPTOR can do better Make INVALID FITTING for cloak+shotgun
Kin Cat Another Clone in the Wall 10	Posted - 2014.09.03 10:14:00 - [34] - Quote yeah its called the assault rifle
CommanderBolt Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1466	Posted - 2014.09.03 10:41:00 - [35] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Prof 4 on magsec. Want .y recoil reduction to apply. You saying you think the operation skill isnt working? I am pretty sure IT IS NOT working. I remember I had it skilled to only level 1, played some games. Skilled it up to level 5 , then played some games and the kick is exactly the same. CCP can you look into this? Actually go and try the weapon for yourselves. -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!


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