DUST Search - The lie we all live, the truth of the SMG.

Mauren NOON wrote:

Anmol Singh wrote:

ARF 1049 wrote:

You almost never hear the SMG is OP because everyone uses it... It's like a bar full of alcoholics no on admits they have a problem instead they say the world has problems! So it turns into buff the pistols! reduce Magsec kick! etc.

The reason the SMG is outperforming is because the only "usable" pistol to compare it to is the ScP with after the nerf takes accuracy and timing etc. But the SMG has the largest magazine out of all weapons accept the HMG and the Krins. Why would a sidearm be able to compete with damage and combat functionality of all rifles accept range?

The SMG is the oldest sidearm in this game (by chronological weapon order in market) and does the best damage profile (as of now) it was made in the time of no aim assist or bullet magnetism... The ScP had accuracy and the SMG had spray, but after all these changes the SMG hasn't been hit hard at all, compared to pistol performance, accept the occasional damage or range correction.

The reason the SMG isn't raising alarms is because it would crank EVERYONES play style accept a select few who are racial nuts or like screwing around. How does a sidearm do more damage than a rifle bullet? With only a slight RoF and functioning range reduction? With a larger magazine size!? With the pistols you can kill off 1-2 people if your good with the exception of heavies (accept the FP). and with the sub easily 1-3 including heavies...

So what needs to be done about the SMG magazine size nerf? Damage? RoF? the issue is it has over impressive range compared to the pistols so that needs to be hit... It can engage way to many targets on one mag... But this is where the road splits,

1. we can keep the damage and reduce magazine size to 25-35 to instate a finishing weapon.

OR...

2. Cut mag to 60-70 and make it so you have to drain most of the mag by halving the damage to 10-11 so it fulfills the credo of "...what it lacks in stopping power and accuracy it grossly overcompensates for with quantity..."

We don't need a handheld BK-42 to do everything when our light weapon runs out...

Let me know which side you think is better for the SMG.

SMG is harder to fit than the CR and cost same Sp. Why should it not be able to compete with Light weapons?

That logic is flawed sir.... By your logic, a magsec should compete with a combat rifle because the magsec costs more to fit. Does it compete with a combat rifle? Not even close....

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Mauren NOON The Exemplars 431	Posted - 2014.09.02 09:43:00 - [31] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: ARF 1049 wrote: You almost never hear the SMG is OP because everyone uses it... It's like a bar full of alcoholics no on admits they have a problem instead they say the world has problems! So it turns into buff the pistols! reduce Magsec kick! etc. The reason the SMG is outperforming is because the only "usable" pistol to compare it to is the ScP with after the nerf takes accuracy and timing etc. But the SMG has the largest magazine out of all weapons accept the HMG and the Krins. Why would a sidearm be able to compete with damage and combat functionality of all rifles accept range? The SMG is the oldest sidearm in this game (by chronological weapon order in market) and does the best damage profile (as of now) it was made in the time of no aim assist or bullet magnetism... The ScP had accuracy and the SMG had spray, but after all these changes the SMG hasn't been hit hard at all, compared to pistol performance, accept the occasional damage or range correction. The reason the SMG isn't raising alarms is because it would crank EVERYONES play style accept a select few who are racial nuts or like screwing around. How does a sidearm do more damage than a rifle bullet? With only a slight RoF and functioning range reduction? With a larger magazine size!? With the pistols you can kill off 1-2 people if your good with the exception of heavies (accept the FP). and with the sub easily 1-3 including heavies... So what needs to be done about the SMG magazine size nerf? Damage? RoF? the issue is it has over impressive range compared to the pistols so that needs to be hit... It can engage way to many targets on one mag... But this is where the road splits, 1. we can keep the damage and reduce magazine size to 25-35 to instate a finishing weapon. OR... 2. Cut mag to 60-70 and make it so you have to drain most of the mag by halving the damage to 10-11 so it fulfills the credo of "...what it lacks in stopping power and accuracy it grossly overcompensates for with quantity..." We don't need a handheld BK-42 to do everything when our light weapon runs out... Let me know which side you think is better for the SMG. SMG is harder to fit than the CR and cost same Sp. Why should it not be able to compete with Light weapons? That logic is flawed sir.... By your logic, a magsec should compete with a combat rifle because the magsec costs more to fit. Does it compete with a combat rifle? Not even close.... Scr and commando enthusiast. A commando is not just a suit, but a way of life... "The only thing to fear is fear itself"
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1815	Posted - 2014.09.02 10:11:00 - [32] - Quote Give me back my scrambler pistol and smg! I want my wombo combo back. As in buff the other sidearms already geez I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
CommanderBolt Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1457	Posted - 2014.09.02 10:46:00 - [33] - Quote I dont know if you guys know but back before Uprising came with Uprising 1.0 - the SMG was a very mediocre weapon. Then we got the Uprising build and because the whole nature and feel of the game changed so much, those first few weeks of uprising, people soon discovered that in this 'new DUST' RoF / spray n prey up close was king. While CCP has made some good progress in some areas, the way weapons felt n the fluidity of the game WAS superior back in chromosome. That's not even rose tinted specs talking, go and look for old DUST footage on youtube and you will see how different the game was. (Not saying it was perfect either mind you) -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
CommanderBolt Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1457	Posted - 2014.09.02 10:47:00 - [34] - Quote Mauren NOON wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: ARF 1049 wrote: You almost never hear the SMG is OP because everyone uses it... It's like a bar full of alcoholics no on admits they have a problem instead they say the world has problems! So it turns into buff the pistols! reduce Magsec kick! etc. The reason the SMG is outperforming is because the only "usable" pistol to compare it to is the ScP with after the nerf takes accuracy and timing etc. But the SMG has the largest magazine out of all weapons accept the HMG and the Krins. Why would a sidearm be able to compete with damage and combat functionality of all rifles accept range? The SMG is the oldest sidearm in this game (by chronological weapon order in market) and does the best damage profile (as of now) it was made in the time of no aim assist or bullet magnetism... The ScP had accuracy and the SMG had spray, but after all these changes the SMG hasn't been hit hard at all, compared to pistol performance, accept the occasional damage or range correction. The reason the SMG isn't raising alarms is because it would crank EVERYONES play style accept a select few who are racial nuts or like screwing around. How does a sidearm do more damage than a rifle bullet? With only a slight RoF and functioning range reduction? With a larger magazine size!? With the pistols you can kill off 1-2 people if your good with the exception of heavies (accept the FP). and with the sub easily 1-3 including heavies... So what needs to be done about the SMG magazine size nerf? Damage? RoF? the issue is it has over impressive range compared to the pistols so that needs to be hit... It can engage way to many targets on one mag... But this is where the road splits, 1. we can keep the damage and reduce magazine size to 25-35 to instate a finishing weapon. OR... 2. Cut mag to 60-70 and make it so you have to drain most of the mag by halving the damage to 10-11 so it fulfills the credo of "...what it lacks in stopping power and accuracy it grossly overcompensates for with quantity..." We don't need a handheld BK-42 to do everything when our light weapon runs out... Let me know which side you think is better for the SMG. SMG is harder to fit than the CR and cost same Sp. Why should it not be able to compete with Light weapons? That logic is flawed sir.... By your logic, a magsec should compete with a combat rifle because the magsec costs more to fit. Does it compete with a combat rifle? Not even close.... Hence why you dont really see the Magsec smg so much anymore..... -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!


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