The SMG is fine. The others just need buffs.

The SMG puts out a higher DPS to armor than an AR... Your argument is invalid... The others need to be brought up a little and the SMG toned down.

SMG not as good as Light weapons, but better than rest of sidearms... looks like other sidearms need buff not SMG need nerf.

They need to meet in the middle... SMG toned down, make it comparable to the Magsec, then help pistols, fix the IoP seize by removing direct seize and make heat linger, buff the flaylocks blast, fix the BP hit detection (apparently it's a problem I have had no issues) and ScP in my opinion is fine with the headshot bonus (maybe a better sight?)

TLDR-Sidearms should remain in holsters unless you need to kill a bug.

You have a major bug infestation if you need a sidearm to kill it.

Space crabs.

No, your argument is invalid. By your standards the Scrambler Pistol is OP because it out DPS' the Rail Rifle when it comes to Shield damage.

The SMG is fine. The others just need buffs.

You almost never hear the SMG is OP because everyone uses it... It's like a bar full of alcoholics no on admits they have a problem instead they say the world has problems! So it turns into buff the pistols! reduce Magsec kick! etc.

The reason the SMG is outperforming is because the only "usable" pistol to compare it to is the ScP with after the nerf takes accuracy and timing etc. But the SMG has the largest magazine out of all weapons accept the HMG and the Krins. Why would a sidearm be able to compete with damage and combat functionality of all rifles accept range?

The SMG is the oldest sidearm in this game (by chronological weapon order in market) and does the best damage profile (as of now) it was made in the time of no aim assist or bullet magnetism... The ScP had accuracy and the SMG had spray, but after all these changes the SMG hasn't been hit hard at all, compared to pistol performance, accept the occasional damage or range correction.

The reason the SMG isn't raising alarms is because it would crank EVERYONES play style accept a select few who are racial nuts or like screwing around. How does a sidearm do more damage than a rifle bullet? With only a slight RoF and functioning range reduction? With a larger magazine size!? With the pistols you can kill off 1-2 people if your good with the exception of heavies (accept the FP). and with the sub easily 1-3 including heavies...

So what needs to be done about the SMG magazine size nerf? Damage? RoF? the issue is it has over impressive range compared to the pistols so that needs to be hit... It can engage way to many targets on one mag... But this is where the road splits,

1. we can keep the damage and reduce magazine size to 25-35 to instate a finishing weapon.

OR...

2. Cut mag to 60-70 and make it so you have to drain most of the mag by halving the damage to 10-11 so it fulfills the credo of "...what it lacks in stopping power and accuracy it grossly overcompensates for with quantity..."

We don't need a handheld BK-42 to do everything when our light weapon runs out...

Let me know which side you think is better for the SMG.

The SMG puts out a higher DPS to armor than an AR... Your argument is invalid... The others need to be brought up a little and the SMG toned down.

The SMG puts out a higher DPS to armor than an AR... Your argument is invalid... The others need to be brought up a little and the SMG toned down.

The SMG puts out a higher DPS to armor than an AR... Your argument is invalid... The others need to be brought up a little and the SMG toned down.

??? No it doesn't.

AR:

800rd/min (13.3rd/sec)
30.9 damage per shot
30.9*13.3= 412dps

SMG:

1000rd/min (16.76rd/sec)
21damage per shot
21*16.67= 350dps

Next time show your work before you pull assertions out of you butt.

Heck, the STD AR has more DPS than the bloody ACR:

1200rd/min (20rd/sec)
20 damage per shot
20*20= 400

And yeah, it's supposed to be better against armor. That's why it has 2 friggen bonuses to do damage against armor.

the SMG also has the fitting requirements similar to light weapons, it is even harder to fit than the CR. the other sidearms require either lower PG, CPU or both to fit.

You almost never hear the SMG is OP because everyone uses it... It's like a bar full of alcoholics no on admits they have a problem instead they say the world has problems! So it turns into buff the pistols! reduce Magsec kick! etc.

The reason the SMG is outperforming is because the only "usable" pistol to compare it to is the ScP with after the nerf takes accuracy and timing etc. But the SMG has the largest magazine out of all weapons accept the HMG and the Krins. Why would a sidearm be able to compete with damage and combat functionality of all rifles accept range?

The SMG is the oldest sidearm in this game (by chronological weapon order in market) and does the best damage profile (as of now) it was made in the time of no aim assist or bullet magnetism... The ScP had accuracy and the SMG had spray, but after all these changes the SMG hasn't been hit hard at all, compared to pistol performance, accept the occasional damage or range correction.

The reason the SMG isn't raising alarms is because it would crank EVERYONES play style accept a select few who are racial nuts or like screwing around. How does a sidearm do more damage than a rifle bullet? With only a slight RoF and functioning range reduction? With a larger magazine size!? With the pistols you can kill off 1-2 people if your good with the exception of heavies (accept the FP). and with the sub easily 1-3 including heavies...

So what needs to be done about the SMG magazine size nerf? Damage? RoF? the issue is it has over impressive range compared to the pistols so that needs to be hit... It can engage way to many targets on one mag... But this is where the road splits,

1. we can keep the damage and reduce magazine size to 25-35 to instate a finishing weapon.

OR...

2. Cut mag to 60-70 and make it so you have to drain most of the mag by halving the damage to 10-11 so it fulfills the credo of "...what it lacks in stopping power and accuracy it grossly overcompensates for with quantity..."

We don't need a handheld BK-42 to do everything when our light weapon runs out...

Let me know which side you think is better for the SMG.

You forgot to factor in damage profiles. The SMG does more damage vs armor than an AR. As it should.
I personally want to see the rest of the sidearms brought up to the "almost as good as a light weapon" status of the SMG.

Last time I checked, I thought the Gallente AR (now known as the plasma rifle) is anti-shield. In that case, the SMG is suppose to be better against armor than the AR. In fact, the AR's proficiency skill book shows it's anti-shield, not anti-armor. You just invalidated your counter-point.