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Juno Tristan Inner.Hell 70	Posted - 2014.09.01 08:24:00 - [1] - Quote What I mean is, everyone had to skill into proto AV to make a dent and now that tanks are better balanced whenever anyone sees one its the proto fit that comes out
H0riz0n Unlimit Inner.Hell 163	Posted - 2014.09.01 10:07:00 - [2] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: What I mean is, everyone had to skill into proto AV to make a dent and now that tanks are better balanced whenever anyone sees one its the proto fit that comes out AV is very good atm, the only thing i would like are tank variants,a bit more expensive and remove the possibility of Jlav Tanker since I was born -- Want back my blaster -- Madrugar 1125/6753 -- Reduce weakspot dimension
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 966	Posted - 2014.09.01 10:51:00 - [3] - Quote Lol, you call it god mode and yet they were incredibly weaker overall in 1.7 than they were in 1.6. They were easier to use solo, yes. Stronger, no. Simpler, yes. Possibility for teamwork, no. I miss all the excitement of pre-1.7 tanking. Oh god how I wish those days would come back. It was so much fun and you could actually use teamwork with vehicles. Why do you now see only proto tanks? Well, there's proto and then there's militia. You see only proto tanks because tank battles last as long as infantry battles last, just at a much higher cost so you want to have as low TTK for yourself and as high survivability rate for yourself at the same time, so everyone is using proto because everything else gets destroyed instantly in a "fair" fight. And with proto it's all about the first shot, whoever fires first wins.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11926	Posted - 2014.09.01 11:10:00 - [4] - Quote AV pre 1.7 was a lot more fun simply because tanks weren't so cheap. Whenever you blew up a tank it felt like an achievement, it felt like you just put a dent in that guys wallet and removed a tank from the battlefield. Now 10 seconds after you blow up the tank you can see another one being called in inside the redline. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
H0riz0n Unlimit Inner.Hell 163	Posted - 2014.09.01 11:42:00 - [5] - Quote Agree with both of you, i remember time when you could spider-tanking,time when gunner on tank had proto small turrepts, sica were dead tanks movimg on the map but most of all there was no passive regen Tanker since I was born -- Want back my blaster -- Madrugar 1125/6753 -- Reduce weakspot dimension
Juno Tristan Inner.Hell 70	Posted - 2014.09.01 12:00:00 - [6] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Lol, you call it god mode and yet they were incredibly weaker overall in 1.7 than they were in 1.6. They were easier to use solo, yes. Stronger, no. Simpler, yes. Possibility for teamwork, no. I miss all the excitement of pre-1.7 tanking. Oh god how I wish those days would come back. It was so much fun and you could actually use teamwork with vehicles. Why do you now see only proto tanks? Well, there's proto and then there's militia. You see only proto tanks because tank battles last as long as infantry battles last, just at a much higher cost so you want to have as low TTK for yourself and as high survivability rate for yourself at the same time, so everyone is using proto because everything else gets destroyed instantly in a "fair" fight. And with proto it's all about the first shot, whoever fires first wins. Duel hardeners & overdrive back to the redline for another 'wave of opportunity', yes it was god mode but I do agree that Tanks need their variety back
Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 3947	Posted - 2014.09.01 12:14:00 - [7] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: AV pre 1.7 was a lot more fun simply because tanks weren't so cheap. Whenever you blew up a tank it felt like an achievement, it felt like you just put a dent in that guys wallet and removed a tank from the battlefield. Now 10 seconds after you blow up the tank you can see another one being called in inside the redline. Ehh, with all the PC isk floating around it really doesnt feel as good as it did to blow tanks up. Most older guys have 500mil minimum. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 711	Posted - 2014.09.01 12:26:00 - [8] - Quote H0riz0n Unlimit wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: What I mean is, everyone had to skill into proto AV to make a dent and now that tanks are better balanced whenever anyone sees one its the proto fit that comes out AV is very good atm, the only thing i would like are tank variants,a bit more expensive and remove the possibility of Jlav its not.. av is "almost there".. PLC and swarms just need faster time from fireing to hitting target.. and maybe a nominal buff to AV nades and Proximity mines and then i would probably say dust would be ready for the reintroduction of the old ADVANCED vehicles and then balance them accordingly to feedback+data [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 711	Posted - 2014.09.01 12:29:00 - [9] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Cat Merc wrote: AV pre 1.7 was a lot more fun simply because tanks weren't so cheap. Whenever you blew up a tank it felt like an achievement, it felt like you just put a dent in that guys wallet and removed a tank from the battlefield. Now 10 seconds after you blow up the tank you can see another one being called in inside the redline. Ehh, with all the PC isk floating around it really doesnt feel as good as it did to blow tanks up. Most older guys have 500mil minimum. they need to nerf the PC isk hard.. its why scrubs be proto-stomping all the time in normal matchmakeing and why FW seems dead/stacked/unfair most of the time as they dont have to do FW to get cheaper proto parts they can just throw their 500m isk around easily [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 968	Posted - 2014.09.01 13:28:00 - [10] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Lol, you call it god mode and yet they were incredibly weaker overall in 1.7 than they were in 1.6. They were easier to use solo, yes. Stronger, no. Simpler, yes. Possibility for teamwork, no. I miss all the excitement of pre-1.7 tanking. Oh god how I wish those days would come back. It was so much fun and you could actually use teamwork with vehicles. Why do you now see only proto tanks? Well, there's proto and then there's militia. You see only proto tanks because tank battles last as long as infantry battles last, just at a much higher cost so you want to have as low TTK for yourself and as high survivability rate for yourself at the same time, so everyone is using proto because everything else gets destroyed instantly in a "fair" fight. And with proto it's all about the first shot, whoever fires first wins. Duel hardeners & overdrive back to the redline for another 'wave of opportunity', yes it was god mode but I do agree that Tanks need their variety back I had a Falchion + LLAV combo in before 1.7 that could take a pounding from 8 proto AV at the same time and I could just be afk myself. Only thing that killed it was a blaster maddy or just some tank ramming the LLAV to death.

Hakyou Brutor Pure Evil. 1183	Posted - 2014.09.01 13:34:00 - [11] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: they need to nerf the PC isk hard.. its why scrubs be proto-stomping all the time in normal matchmakeing and why FW seems dead/stacked/unfair most of the time as they dont have to do FW to get cheaper proto parts they can just throw their 500m isk around easily wait wait wait wait wait nerf PC ISK? The ONLY way anyone gets ISK from PC is if they win! I'm sure your puny mortal mind could not comprehend this, but PC, believe it or not, is not easy mode like pubs.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1369	Posted - 2014.09.01 16:04:00 - [12] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Lol, you call it god mode and yet they were incredibly weaker overall in 1.7 than they were in 1.6 Against AV they were demi-god mode.; you could kill one but only if the driver was a complete idiot. AV took a severe nerf with swarm's range nerf & proto swarms being reduced to dealing the damage Std used to deal, FG charge times increased, AV nade damage reduction and of course the damage mod nerf had a huge impact on AV. Then tanks got buffed (from AV perspective) so tanks that could dual harden (armor or shields) and barely receive any damage or use triple reps to out rep almost any damage unless you alpha'd it to hell and back with a group. Also can't forget fuel injectors that turned the tanks into Formula One cars. At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Fix supply depots
Zindorak 1.U.P 765	Posted - 2014.09.01 16:05:00 - [13] - Quote If JLav gets removedd can DS rammers get removed pls its a good trade Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 540	Posted - 2014.09.01 17:00:00 - [14] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Cat Merc wrote: AV pre 1.7 was a lot more fun simply because tanks weren't so cheap. Whenever you blew up a tank it felt like an achievement, it felt like you just put a dent in that guys wallet and removed a tank from the battlefield. Now 10 seconds after you blow up the tank you can see another one being called in inside the redline. Ehh, with all the PC isk floating around it really doesnt feel as good as it did to blow tanks up. Most older guys have 500mil minimum. they need to nerf the PC isk hard.. its why scrubs be proto-stomping all the time in normal matchmakeing and why FW seems dead/stacked/unfair most of the time as they dont have to do FW to get cheaper proto parts they can just throw their 500m isk around easily They did nerf PC ISK. Are you new?
Tardthe GrumpyCat Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.09.01 17:22:00 - [15] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: What I mean is, everyone had to skill into proto AV to make a dent and now that tanks are better balanced whenever anyone sees one its the proto fit that comes out Lol he thinks tanks are better balanced...
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1427	Posted - 2014.09.01 18:05:00 - [16] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Cat Merc wrote: AV pre 1.7 was a lot more fun simply because tanks weren't so cheap. Whenever you blew up a tank it felt like an achievement, it felt like you just put a dent in that guys wallet and removed a tank from the battlefield. Now 10 seconds after you blow up the tank you can see another one being called in inside the redline. Ehh, with all the PC isk floating around it really doesnt feel as good as it did to blow tanks up. Most older guys have 500mil minimum. they need to nerf the PC isk hard.. its why scrubs be proto-stomping all the time in normal matchmakeing and why FW seems dead/stacked/unfair most of the time as they dont have to do FW to get cheaper proto parts they can just throw their 500m isk around easily Compared to the district locking times, the PC isk faucet of today is a mere dripping. Unfortunately, the damage has already been done.
H0riz0n Unlimit Inner.Hell 163	Posted - 2014.09.01 18:25:00 - [17] - Quote 3 swarm of cbr7 no proof and i destroyed a madrugar with hardner activated Tanker since I was born -- Want back my blaster -- Madrugar 1125/6753 -- Reduce weakspot dimension
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 967	Posted - 2014.09.01 19:31:00 - [18] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: What I mean is, everyone had to skill into proto AV to make a dent and now that tanks are better balanced whenever anyone sees one its the proto fit that comes out Proto? I just blow it up with MIlitia. I can literally deny vehicles on the enemy team from coming into the general points of a map just by sitting with a basic forge, while chopping about 60% of their health away with each peek they make. Tanks cannot sit still, and they cannot persist on the field longer than about 3 minutes before someone charges out with a couple of AV fits that demolish the tank. If someone ever has a problem with a tank, as they are now. I suggest to that person they try taking a nap. When they wake up, if they u still cannot handle one by themselves, I suggest to them a change of games, because aside from making tanks blow up the moment an AV weapon touches them, you really can't get much shorter lifespans out of vehicles. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3059	Posted - 2014.09.01 19:44:00 - [19] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Lol, you call it god mode and yet they were incredibly weaker overall in 1.7 than they were in 1.6. They were easier to use solo, yes. Stronger, no. Simpler, yes. Possibility for teamwork, no. I miss all the excitement of pre-1.7 tanking. Oh god how I wish those days would come back. It was so much fun and you could actually use teamwork with vehicles. Why do you now see only proto tanks? Well, there's proto and then there's militia. You see only proto tanks because tank battles last as long as infantry battles last, just at a much higher cost so you want to have as low TTK for yourself and as high survivability rate for yourself at the same time, so everyone is using proto because everything else gets destroyed instantly in a "fair" fight. And with proto it's all about the first shot, whoever fires first wins. Duel hardeners & overdrive back to the redline for another 'wave of opportunity', yes it was god mode but I do agree that Tanks need their variety back I had a Falchion + LLAV combo before 1.7 that could take a pounding from 8 proto AV at the same time and I could just be afk myself. Only thing that killed it was a blaster maddy or just some tank ramming the LLAV to death. I miss having an the best heavy rep active in the game with a tank giving me the best remote heavy reps in the game. I really miss those days I could sit their and just not give a f*ck as long as it was active. Tanker/Logi/Assault
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 559	Posted - 2014.09.01 21:52:00 - [20] - Quote I don't see what's wrong with tanks. I just go where my team is and support them in my 150k basic tanks. Everytime I die, it was either due to coordinated AV/Tank fire or me overextending/getting greedy. I can see where tankers are whining about losing their 500k tanks, but with tanking being incomplete, I don't think players should be putting proto mods/turrets on a std tank. It's the same as putting proto weapons on a std dropsuit. Somehow, even with the decrease in how much tanks cost, many tankers never learned to balance their isk. And if you are running 70-150k tanks stop complaining, you can utterly wreck several 150-200k proto suits in quick succession and over an entire match.

TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 568	Posted - 2014.09.01 22:03:00 - [21] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Lol, you call it god mode and yet they were incredibly weaker overall in 1.7 than they were in 1.6. They were easier to use solo, yes. Stronger, no. Simpler, yes. Possibility for teamwork, no. I miss all the excitement of pre-1.7 tanking. Oh god how I wish those days would come back. It was so much fun and you could actually use teamwork with vehicles. Why do you now see only proto tanks? Well, there's proto and then there's militia. You see only proto tanks because tank battles last as long as infantry battles last, just at a much higher cost so you want to have as low TTK for yourself and as high survivability rate for yourself at the same time, so everyone is using proto because everything else gets destroyed instantly in a "fair" fight. And with proto it's all about the first shot, whoever fires first wins. Duel hardeners & overdrive back to the redline for another 'wave of opportunity', yes it was god mode but I do agree that Tanks need their variety back I had a Falchion + LLAV combo before 1.7 that could take a pounding from 8 proto AV at the same time and I could just be afk myself. Only thing that killed it was a blaster maddy or just some tank ramming the LLAV to death. I miss having an the best heavy rep active in the game with a tank giving me the best remote heavy reps in the game. I really miss those days I could sit their and just not give a f*ck as long as it was active. RIP Teamwork RIP Active reps RIP Spider tanking RIP being able to shoot straight RIP Skill RIP ISK investment RIP SP investment. The nostalgia is real That only really worked because the Logi cars had passive resistance equal to having active hardeners. If they weren't bugged and functioned like normal LAVs players would just blow up the LAV much like players kill the logi repping a heavy.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 970	Posted - 2014.09.02 01:37:00 - [22] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Lol, you call it god mode and yet they were incredibly weaker overall in 1.7 than they were in 1.6. They were easier to use solo, yes. Stronger, no. Simpler, yes. Possibility for teamwork, no. I miss all the excitement of pre-1.7 tanking. Oh god how I wish those days would come back. It was so much fun and you could actually use teamwork with vehicles. Why do you now see only proto tanks? Well, there's proto and then there's militia. You see only proto tanks because tank battles last as long as infantry battles last, just at a much higher cost so you want to have as low TTK for yourself and as high survivability rate for yourself at the same time, so everyone is using proto because everything else gets destroyed instantly in a "fair" fight. And with proto it's all about the first shot, whoever fires first wins. Duel hardeners & overdrive back to the redline for another 'wave of opportunity', yes it was god mode but I do agree that Tanks need their variety back I had a Falchion + LLAV combo before 1.7 that could take a pounding from 8 proto AV at the same time and I could just be afk myself. Only thing that killed it was a blaster maddy or just some tank ramming the LLAV to death. I miss having an the best heavy rep active in the game with a tank giving me the best remote heavy reps in the game. I really miss those days I could sit their and just not give a f*ck as long as it was active. RIP Teamwork RIP Active reps RIP Spider tanking RIP being able to shoot straight RIP Skill RIP ISK investment RIP SP investment. The nostalgia is real That only really worked because the Logi cars had passive resistance equal to having active hardeners. If they weren't bugged and functioned like normal LAVs players would just blow up the LAV much like players kill the logi repping a heavy. I wouldn't say it was bugged, maybe a broken mechanic but then again, without the passive resistance it would have been useless, driving a LLAV was all risk no possible reward role if you didn't use it for murder taxing. 0 WP for doing your intented role, yeah, I can see why people used it for murder taxing. That meant risking around 300K isk and the highest rewards at the end of the match were around 40-50K.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3425	Posted - 2014.09.02 01:40:00 - [23] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: AV pre 1.7 was a lot more fun simply because tanks weren't so cheap. Whenever you blew up a tank it felt like an achievement, it felt like you just put a dent in that guys wallet and removed a tank from the battlefield. Now 10 seconds after you blow up the tank you can see another one being called in inside the redline. That's what happens when 2 forge shots blow up a tank. Personally I've only seen 2-3 good tankers still tanking. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Thurak1 Psygod9 963	Posted - 2014.09.02 01:51:00 - [24] - Quote Tanks were the most OP right after 1.8 launch. Right now as a forge gunner I am pretty happy with how well i can hurt a tank. Granted i can't 2 shot or even 3 shot most tanks with my set up but i sure can put a hurt on nearly every tank with 3 hits. This at least buys my team some time to rally and get AV ready for the tank to come back. With 1.8 and the hilarious bugs that were in it tanks were OMG fast and impossible to beat and the repers acted so fast tanks ducked behind cover for 10 seconds and came back full hps like nothing happened.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4586	Posted - 2014.09.02 02:26:00 - [25] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Cat Merc wrote: AV pre 1.7 was a lot more fun simply because tanks weren't so cheap. Whenever you blew up a tank it felt like an achievement, it felt like you just put a dent in that guys wallet and removed a tank from the battlefield. Now 10 seconds after you blow up the tank you can see another one being called in inside the redline. Ehh, with all the PC isk floating around it really doesnt feel as good as it did to blow tanks up. Most older guys have 500mil minimum. they need to nerf the PC isk hard.. its why scrubs be proto-stomping all the time in normal matchmakeing and why FW seems dead/stacked/unfair most of the time as they dont have to do FW to get cheaper proto parts they can just throw their 500m isk around easily There's like 100 dudes that saw the bulk of all that ISK. And they could afford to run proto 24/7 because they are insanely good with 5+ KDRs. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Juno Tristan Inner.Hell 71	Posted - 2014.09.02 02:30:00 - [26] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: AV pre 1.7 was a lot more fun simply because tanks weren't so cheap. Whenever you blew up a tank it felt like an achievement, it felt like you just put a dent in that guys wallet and removed a tank from the battlefield. Now 10 seconds after you blow up the tank you can see another one being called in inside the redline. That's what happens when 2 forge shots blow up a tank. Personally I've only seen 2-3 good tankers still tanking. I would have liked to have seen the effects of increasing the blaster dispersion first rather than the nerfing of hardeners/reppers. Could have encouraged some good tank v tank fights
Harpyja Legio DXIV 2185	Posted - 2014.09.02 04:58:00 - [27] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: AV pre 1.7 was a lot more fun simply because tanks weren't so cheap. Whenever you blew up a tank it felt like an achievement, it felt like you just put a dent in that guys wallet and removed a tank from the battlefield. Now 10 seconds after you blow up the tank you can see another one being called in inside the redline. Lol you call spamming AV grenades, sending off a full clip of swarms, or emptying a full IAFG clip into a HAV an achievement? No wonder we can't ever achieve balance... "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32


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