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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.31 23:42:00 -
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This whole tread is four kinds of stupid.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.31 23:54:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:True Adamance wrote:This whole tread is four kinds of stupid. On what grounds?
Tries to argue that a weapon that can project superheated channels of plasma based energy projectiles can do it and should retain heat/impact/ destructive power out to 50+ M but cannot do that at short range?
Tries then to argue that weapons designed for sustained DPS at short range (which for all intents and purposes, especially the AR, really should have a more workable DPS) which are forgiving to those who miss and do not over heat are less effective than a single shot, accuracy based weapon which does over heat and cannot take advantage of its best trait (charged shot) in CQC (as you cannot sprint with a change, nor should you).
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.09.01 00:43:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:True Adamance wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:True Adamance wrote:This whole tread is four kinds of stupid. On what grounds? Tries to argue that a weapon that can project superheated channels of plasma based energy projectiles can do it and should retain heat/impact/ destructive power out to 50+ M but cannot do that at short range? Tries then to argue that weapons designed for sustained DPS at short range (which for all intents and purposes, especially the AR, really should have a more workable DPS) which are forgiving to those who miss and do not over heat are less effective than a single shot, accuracy based weapon which does over heat and cannot take advantage of its best trait (charged shot) in CQC (as you cannot sprint with a change, nor should you). I am just concerned that for some reason the nerf crusade is on for a weapon that has essentially been the same for months now.....in the same way it was when it was nerfed the first time and during that long period of where no complaints were leveled at it flew under the radar and was being used by dedicated players and was only seen infrequently. Don't get me wrong I have no stake in this any more as I do no play Dust...... but hell that screams all kinds of ****** up to me. Not asking for a nerf. I'm asking for Weapon Efficiency to work as intended.
Well then there is no reason the efficiency at point blank range should not be 100% unmodified.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.09.01 01:33:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:
Maybe not by logical viewpoints. But in terms of games balance and how they are supposed to work there is a reason.
If you look at our current track record this community has shot itself in the foot more times than not...... I am not concerned with you perceptions of balance.
Only what makes sense.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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Posted - 2014.09.01 02:01:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:True Adamance wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:
Maybe not by logical viewpoints. But in terms of games balance and how they are supposed to work there is a reason.
If you look at our current track record this community has shot itself in the foot more times than not...... I am not concerned with you perceptions of balance. Only what makes sense. And that attitude is why nothing gets fixed 
I tried for the longest time to remain positive and constructive disappointment after disappointment. As a community our imput has only been a salve to the sores we ourselves have created.
We ruined HAV, buffed them into omnipotence, then to a lack lustre monotony.
We have nerfed weapon after weapon, suit after suit, module after module into uselessness, then back in the name of "balance" a word at this point we could not recognise if we tried.
We treated EVE and New Eden with a contempt borne of ignorance.....
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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Posted - 2014.09.01 02:15:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:Michael Arck wrote:So what I beat you at CQC with my RR. I'm supposed not to because the stats say so? You never considered that I just know how to strafe and keep the reticule on you while my RR blasts at your defenses?
That I know how to use my rifle? It can't be that, huh? Just some force of nature should happen and cause my weapon to jam once I'm in a CQC situation because the stats say so, huh?
Doesn't make any sense.
Your missing the point. Alot of you seem to forget this is a game. So no, your RR SHOULD NOT be just as effective at Close range as it is at it's intended range. It should lose efficiency the closer the target is. The same for the Scrambler rifle. The way how AR's lose efficiency the further away the target is. In terms of balance your long range weapon should lose damage the closer you are, just how close range weapons deal less damage from further away. Says it just a game and then goes on to preach how it shouldn't be effective in CQC. The problem? YOU'RE NOT LISTENING It's a rail rifle. Do you know what that is? So of course if I know how to use my rifle in CQC, that is not just shooting all over the place like a mad man and controlling my fire, I will wreck you. What you asking for changes how the weapon will work in its optimal range. Time and time again, people like you in this community what to change something in a video game because someone has gotten too good at it. Quote:
In terms of balance your long range weapon should lose damage the closer you are, just how close range weapons deal less damage from further away.
LOL WTF? Should a 50 cal sniper rifle not blow your head off at close range because it's meant to be a long distance instant kill weapon? No. Smh Your bringing Real life into a game. It doesn't work, Weapon optimal ranges exist for a reason. I bet ALOT if not all the people who use broken weapons ect either knowingly or not think "their good" but the fact is the opposite. If RR and SCR maintain their "100%" efficiency outside of their optimal then other weapons should to. It's not about "real life" this is a game...a gaaaamme with the idea of weapon balance. It's not even a weapon balancing issue, it's a core mechanic glitch or bug. Weapons lose weapon efficiency the further away the target is from their optimal ranges. This does not happen with the RR and SCR.
Currently in New Eden there is no short range optimal values. Everything in terms of optimal is measured as "within X000m"
Speed tanking does however allow you to get in under or move faster than a ships guns tracking but does not reduce the weapons damage potential, merely the number of projectiles that hit.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.09.01 02:30:00 -
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No everyone STOP IT!
We are not going to feed the cycle.
Breath in....breath out....Wax on....Wax Off
@ OP- while I disagree with you, I understand you have a valid concern and are seeking ways to better improve the game you love. Well argued. I have said my piece and will leave.
Do however take this up with Rattati... he seems to have a good nose and mind of balancing this sort of thing.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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