Why do the basic frame dropsuits cost as much as the Scout, Sentinel, Assault, and Logstics version? Shouldn't one pay more for the suit with the bonus, and less for the one without? Can we lower the cost of basic frames? It just makes sense. You should've noticed by now that no one uses the basic frame suits do to them costing the same price as the suits with the bonus. Can we look at this in hotfix delta?

Interested to know what the community thinks?

We put basics on the backburner, I want to see what we can do for them properly.

Remove them because they are a waste of SP, or make them a USEFUL alternative to role suits, or give the skill a bonus that ties into the role suit.

Remove them because they are a waste of SP, or make them a USEFUL alternative to role suits, or give the skill a bonus that ties into the role suit.

you cannot get to tech 2 with out first skilling up through tech 1. #eve-logic

We put basics on the backburner, I want to see what we can do for them properly.

I would love to give the basic frames some bonus which makes them very versatile, like +CPU/+PG or a general fitting reduction per skill level. The bonus should make the basic suites attractive to skill up to proto (something which I think nobody is doing now), while still giving the specialised suites the edge in their respective area.

It should be a choice between "all round" suite or "specialist". To become a specialist (Assault, Logi etc) you need to make some sacrifices in other areas to grant you the race specific bonuses.

To lower the price on the suites are just a easy way out, which I don't think we should do.

Someone here wants to protostomp in a cheap medium frame ;)

basic frames actually cost more than the specialised versions.

basics should have a reason to maybe want to skill it past level 3.

Remove them because they are a waste of SP, or make them a USEFUL alternative to role suits, or give the skill a bonus that ties into the role suit.

Someone here wants to protostomp in a cheap medium frame ;)

Yes yes and yes some more. I have long said that the current pricing is silly and the simple change of swapping the prices of basic frames and specialized ones would actually create a reason to run basic frames. Currently there is no reason to run with said dropsuits.

you cannot get to tech 2 with out first skilling up through tech 1. #eve-logic

Why do the basic frame dropsuits cost as much as the Scout, Sentinel, Assault, and Logstics version? Shouldn't one pay more for the suit with the bonus, and less for the one without? Can we lower the cost of basic frames? It just makes sense. You should've noticed by now that no one uses the basic frame suits do to them costing the same price as the suits with the bonus. Can we look at this in hotfix delta?

Interested to know what the community thinks?

it gives incentive to use the one with bonuses

We put basics on the backburner, I want to see what we can do for them properly.

[Basic frames]
...There should be situations where you would actually want to use them, both ISK-wise, and gameplay reasons.
They need a price cut, they should be at least 10% cheaper than their specialized counterpart, they should be the cheaper alternative to specialize suits.
They should be very generalized and versatile in slot layouts compared to their specialist counterparts, like a middle ground between the specializations of the suits; this could be done by altering the basic frames (like medium basics get a 2nd equipment slot and lose a module slot), or by altering the specialist suits (like taking equipment slot from assaults, and grenade slot from logi, so basic will be a middle ground with both).

[Solutions]: these are just examples of how I would solve the issues of price and slot layout.
PRICE: basic frame price = specialization price - 10%

LIGHT
Basic: + 1 high or low slot, -1 equipment slot (& PG/CPU changes needed)
Scout: same
...

MEDIUM
...
Basic frame: + 1 equipment (2 equipment total, between assault and logi), -1 module slot.

HEAVY
Basic: -sidearm, + 1 equipment, maybe -grenade (middle-ground between commando and sentinel)
Sentinel: same
Commando: same

We put basics on the backburner, I want to see what we can do for them properly.

you might as well remove them, i agree with blackstar. the system is so screwed up they dont serve any purpose.

basics are supposed to have 2 level bonuses. like the current assaults, scouts, logis, etc.

and the specialized tech 2 suits the assaults, scouts, logis, etc. are supposed to have 4 level based bonuses and a role bonus.
we' all know were missing modular customizable tech 3 suits so i dont feel the need to address it.

in eve we have 4 basic cruisers that each have a role and then the specialized roles which branch out andrequire more training, and much more money. here we have 1 basic suit that doesnt serve any purpose and it branches out into 2 cheaper suits that require very little training to vastly outperform the basic suit.

if theyre arent going to be a launching point for branching out into assault, logi, and the other missing cruiser/medium suits
they do nothing and serve no purpose and dont need to exist. its role is currently being performed by the assault suit which is also incorrectly labeled. the assault suit is supposed to be the heavy assault cruiser of the medium suits. yet its been treated as a versatile do anything suit which is just blatantly wrong lore wise.

i think we all agree theres not going to be a massive restructuring of suits and introduction of eve parity with 3 new basic medium suits for each race and the proper tech 2 roles that will ever occur in dust because the games essentially dead. since
the proper course of action isnt an option we can at least put the suits out of their misery.
only thing anyone would miss is the prototype paintscheme. maybe make that the advanced assault suit skin for fun because of how stupid assault suits look with the white and black non racial paint scheme.

I agree, but my main concern is new player retention. They simply can't compete with either SP nor isk?! The SP will be easier to deal with if they could afford to fight.

thats a valid concern, but when you think about it for a while its even more of a reason of why basic suits need level bonuses. you need to get level 3 already to go assault or logi. thats a potential 15% bonus to help them fight against the high sp players in fancy gear. if basic suits offered a small bonus and were cheaper it would help new players.

say a basic suit got 2 5% bonuses per level of medium skill, and an assault skill got the same or similar or maybe different bonuses locked to that suit for each medium suit level. then two additional assault themed bonuses for each level of the assault suit skill and obviously the assault suit skill.

now the basic player has 2 bonuses that can compete with or negate the assault suits first 2 bonuses which it currently cant because it has none. it would offer more variety between the 4 races by increasing the number of viable suits by 50% and they wouldnt have to pay more money. it would give high level players an incentive to use the basic suits which means less logis and assaults and gives new players and even easier time. id use the basic prototype suit for the black/orange gallente paint scheme alone if it was more viable in combat and not ridiculously expensive.

theres literally no viable argument against it apart from laziness.
player retention is an issue because of multiple causes and this isnt an idea that would make it worse. it would just offer them more effective, more affordable alternatives. eve has lots of variety that dust is lacking and eve offers a clear formula that has been refined for 10 years and choosing to ignore it in dust has given us the problems we have now.

we need eve parity as much as we need racial parity and we have neither at the moment. clearly my idea wont happen because theyre only doing client side changes now but if were going to be honest and address the proper fix for basics. this is it. in eve online no one complains about a tech 1 maller costing more than a tech 2 sacrilege or heretic or the sacrilege not having any redeeming qualities. these arent issues in eve, only dust. the solution is eve.

again, i know its not going to happen because dust is down to a skeleton crew but if were going to talk about a proper fix, well here it is lol.