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Groz'zar Kazoku
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Posted - 2014.08.30 14:20:00 -
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Its not too strong. everyone leaves out the fact if you fire one too many rounds in intense fire fights. it locks up for 5s. It does 50 damage to you and the lock up stops everything but walking. 9/10 if it overheat it means your dead. Also if your dying fast please stop using E-war Assaults. I see too many assaults out there with less then 500 EHP. I don't know when this became a thing but if you run the numbers E-war outside of scouts is pointless to the point of being not even worth stating into.
Also if your running anything that lightens your EHP don't think you can still stand in fire at me. I see that happen a lot. I dance the bullet dance and you stand there taking head shots. that is your own fault for dying no one else. Head shots skyrocket damage. I am using a marksmen weapon. I do go for the head shots.
I don't see the RR, CR, or AR having a disadvantage as big as 5s lock up and 50 damage if you don't use it right. I don't even see them really having draw backs besides range. The tiny spool up time on the RR has people even using it in CQC. the CR and AR really don't have one if you keep in its effective range. so if all guns can overhead then maybe the scrambler needs a nerf. but they don't so they don't need ****** with any more then the flaylock needs a nerf. That thing wrecks if you get hit by the rounds. if your only doing splash it sucks ya but direct hits are deadly.
Hell wanna know one worse then the Scrambler for pens? The laser rifle. 5s lock up and 175 damage on overheat. I might be off on its lock up time. If not its very dangerous. Hense why it does such amazing damage. you can literally kill yourself if your not careful rather insanely easily. |
Groz'zar Kazoku
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Posted - 2014.08.30 14:25:00 -
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No I am saying its not as insanely easy and powerful as most people on this forum are bitching about. In good fights you pretty much need the Amarr assault suit to even mater. most high EHP with mostly armor suits make this take like 1.5-3s to kill depending on how much of it is armor. Heavy armor suits in general are nuts to try and down even if you get the jump on them. I am saying I don't like all the op talk when they don't even know the basic draw backs of the weapon they ***** about. |
Groz'zar Kazoku
Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers
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Posted - 2014.08.30 14:29:00 -
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That quote means next to nothing to me. please state your argument clearly.
Also if your referring to the fact some less then respectful people are using turbo controllers to reach beyond the human norm for firing. that is a separate mater that needs handling and in no way means the scrambler needs a nerf. you do not nerf things based off cheating.
My average RPS is somewher around 8-10 depending on my day. 10 is if somehow the stars aline and the gods smile upon me. becaues normaly 8-9 is my max with it. I have never gotten the full 11 rounds out really. I might in a panic fire but almost without fail it will overheat and lock the hell up.
Also your Tac didn't over heat so gtfo. your argument is invalid based off the fact it had no drawback at that speed unlike firing a scrambler. it has short bursts of high damage because if it did low or moderate damage. it would be worthless combined with the fact you can not sustain fire for much longer then between 1.0-2.0s. unlike your AR, CR, and RR. you can just puke rounds down range all day long with no pen besides maybe needing to stop for a part of second after most of a clip to let the recoil lower slightly. still not as bad as the 2-2.5 seconds of heat cool down we deal with.
ITs balanced completely differently then the AR, CR, and RR because of its differences. You can't "balance" it by the exact same rules. It will be worthless because the AR, CR, and RR dont have.
1. Heat.
2. Self damage.
3. Short bursts of damage cut off by cool down.
4.Lock up if heat max is reached.
5. No ability to defend oneself if lock up happens.
Dodging is your best friend vs the scrambler chances are if we miss a few shots you will live and we will have to take cover. this is your chance to grenade or charge us. |
Groz'zar Kazoku
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Posted - 2014.08.30 14:45:00 -
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What part of short bursts of high damage don't you get? The CR also melts me faster then I can react at times. So your argument is kinda flimsy. I die more to a CR then I ever do to scrambler users. hell I find most scrambler users at the moment to be rather scrubby. I die more to AR users. So do they need a nerf since you know we die to them so much something must be off. Also currently there are more scrubsusing the scrmabler then actually people that enjoy it because of that FOTOM crap or whatever it is. |
Groz'zar Kazoku
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Posted - 2014.08.30 15:01:00 -
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Because oh mathy one. Take for instance how we have to take 2-3+ breaks depending on suit level and weapon skill level on one clip. meaning there are somewhere between 2-6s of down time. then 2s or reload with no mistakes. If you make a mistake well it can be between 2-15s of cool down. Also if mistakes are made 50 damage is taken. Also in some good fights you need to overheat to finish them before they finish you. Because having that HMG spin up and turn at you is doom. So stop acting like DPS math is all that is involved in "balance". because the "balance" you want will not balance the game it will ruin it.
Your not taking into account down time. The risks vs reward of the playstyle or anything really besides RPS and damage. if you do that then a lot of weapons need a nerf when in reality it doesn't. |
Groz'zar Kazoku
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Posted - 2014.08.30 15:11:00 -
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omfg moron stop taking just the damage and RPS. Look at the long picture and the risk reward as well. stop being a moron with math for a miniute and check more then just the damage output for the first second to second and a half.
I asked nicely now I am just gonna be blunt. Stop and look at the whole weapon not just the trigger and holes it makes. |
Groz'zar Kazoku
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Posted - 2014.08.30 15:18:00 -
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God you people are stupid and ignorant. I am sorry you beloved CR suddenly has to work to kill us just a little but damn stop bitching about a weapon that is good but not OP. Also the SMG is on the list of actually OP weapons when compared to side arms. Side arms are that back ups that do less damage and don't work out as well as primary. The SMG currently is being ran as a primary by some. Its already on the chopping block for a nerf. So don't use weapons actually on the chopping block for nerfs to say how easy it is. its just a fake tacky attempt to discredit a weapon that doesn't need a nerf. |
Groz'zar Kazoku
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Posted - 2014.08.30 15:29:00 -
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Who are you talking to? you didn't quote anyone so it could be one of a few people. Also balance is more complex then just DPS. if it was that simple games would have perfect gun balance right off the bat. Well if I had a gun that did the dps of the CR but did it all in splash that is balanced then? because by your logic it is. |
Groz'zar Kazoku
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Posted - 2014.08.30 15:54:00 -
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Like I said DPS DPS DPS DPS is all hes looking at. he doesn't care to look at anything else. He is lying to himself at this point because he keeps saying it. just because you try to act intelligent doesn't make it so.
A. Because CR rapes anyones face point blank out to 20M+
B. Because RR has longer range game and better dispersion then the scrambler or magic bullets as some say.
C. because point blank shotguns destroy people still.
D. Nova knives even have good odds of getting you with the strafe suits.
E. your only looking at DPS.
F. your a noob that pretends to be intelligent and fails.
G. I stopped caring about your opinion when it was all about DPS for five posts. Blowing off all other facts.
So please good sir. Leave before you make a bigger ass of yourself or at the least leave and look over everything instead of the massive bias in your view of the weapon. I didn't hear any agument about anything other then DPS. Oh and you being super condescending. |
Groz'zar Kazoku
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Posted - 2014.08.30 16:14:00 -
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Uhhh everyone on that always use the same weapon each game. it changes but they seem to do it for ***** and giggles. so that post was pointless. |
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Groz'zar Kazoku
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Posted - 2014.08.30 16:28:00 -
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I wasn't.... They guy before me said they all used it. I was pointing out it seems like they do weapon rotations. |
Groz'zar Kazoku
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Posted - 2014.08.30 17:39:00 -
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I am not talking to him anymore. he puts half truths and the facts that make him look good. He left out over half the points I made and replaced them with insults to me. Hes dead to me as far as posts from him go. |
Groz'zar Kazoku
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Posted - 2014.08.30 18:11:00 -
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LIke I said he says what makes him look good. he won't even see all the facts. the down times because of the heat make it only good on the only suits that give it bonuses go figure. :O suits that were made to make them good make them good. |
Groz'zar Kazoku
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Posted - 2014.08.30 18:19:00 -
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How about you **** off with the smg talk because the my 10% armor damage profile weapon kills armor!?!?!? omg no one knew that. but you can also do the same thing with the magsec or the bolt pistol with skill. oh also if you have skill the flaylock is pretty wicked against armor with its 20% bonus damage. we know it does. that is a ANTI-ARMOR weapon. we are not infants. we can read and we know. We are talking about the scrambler. You are using it more as a shield burst. then swapping to the SMG to do the majority of the damage. This is why people think the smg is currently in need of a nerf. |
Groz'zar Kazoku
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Posted - 2014.08.30 18:31:00 -
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I am hearing more about you inability to use weapons then problems. I have seen videos recent ones with people going 30/4 with Ion pistols only. is it op? no. its just skill making up for weapon weaknesses. your argument about nerfing one weapon based off it being used with another is just pure stupidity. if thats the case we need to nerf all the assault bonuses, the weapons used on them, and the smg so the heavies and scouts are the only ones that can kill. -rolls his eyes and says all of that with heavy sarcasm.- |
Groz'zar Kazoku
Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers
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Posted - 2014.08.30 18:34:00 -
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Then the CR, RR, and AR need nerfs too. Simple as that. they all kill things so they need nerfed. |
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