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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:47:00 -
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You know, I was really upset because over half of dust are using the cloak/shotgun/remote tactic... But after today I just wanna say thank you. I'm getting so many kills off you morons :DDDD
G.L.O.R.Y solider,
Master of the Gallente Heavy
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
6783
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:53:00 -
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Good scouts don't solely rely on such cheap tactics.
We have many dastardly tools in our arsenal.
We are stealthy and silent, and shall have our kill in due time. Good scouts know when to be patient, and they also know to strike when the iron is hot.
You can't run. You can't hide.
You can only die in that slow, tanked out suit that claims the lives of the weak and clueless.
FA's Stabber Extraordinaire
Minmatar Enthusiast
Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo
203
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:56:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Good scouts don't solely rely on such cheap tactics.
We have many dastardly tools in our arsenal.
We are stealthy and silent, and shall have our kill in due time. Good scouts know when to be patient, and they also know to strike when the iron is hot.
You can't run. You can't hide.
You can only die in that slow, tanked out suit that claims the lives of the weak and clueless.
Jokes on you, I'm not a slow heavy and I don't tank armor :P
But I do agree if a scout knows what he's doing he can be good. But that's a rare breed now, even guys in the top 10 corps are using the shotty/remote tactic.
G.L.O.R.Y solider,
Master of the Gallente Heavy
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
6783
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:58:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Good scouts don't solely rely on such cheap tactics.
We have many dastardly tools in our arsenal.
We are stealthy and silent, and shall have our kill in due time. Good scouts know when to be patient, and they also know to strike when the iron is hot.
You can't run. You can't hide.
You can only die in that slow, tanked out suit that claims the lives of the weak and clueless. Jokes on you, I'm not a slow heavy and I don't tank armor :P But I do agree if a scout knows what he's doing he can be good. But that's a rare breed now, even guys in the top 10 corps are using the shotty/remote tactic.
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FA's Stabber Extraordinaire
Minmatar Enthusiast
Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo
205
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:00:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Good scouts don't solely rely on such cheap tactics.
We have many dastardly tools in our arsenal.
We are stealthy and silent, and shall have our kill in due time. Good scouts know when to be patient, and they also know to strike when the iron is hot.
You can't run. You can't hide.
You can only die in that slow, tanked out suit that claims the lives of the weak and clueless. Jokes on you, I'm not a slow heavy and I don't tank armor :P But I do agree if a scout knows what he's doing he can be good. But that's a rare breed now, even guys in the top 10 corps are using the shotty/remote tactic. ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png)
I do love it when people underestimate my speed, I catch so many people off guard <3
G.L.O.R.Y solider,
Master of the Gallente Heavy
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Bahirae Serugiusu
Vendetta Reactionary Force
4
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:01:00 -
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I've seen a few good scouts but most them are suicide bombers or idiots. Most the ones with shotguns even when I am sitting still as a sniper they can never land the first shot from a shotgun and take like 3 shots to hit me. And half the time they are idiots and run right at me in stealth and apparently a moving silhouette is noticeable to no one but me. |
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo
205
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:04:00 -
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Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:I've seen a few good scouts but most them are suicide bombers or idiots. Most the ones with shotguns even when I am sitting still as a sniper they can never land the first shot from a shotgun and take like 3 shots to hit me. And half the time they are idiots and run right at me in stealth and apparently a moving silhouette is noticeable to no one but me. Oh don't get me started on that one! I've killed so many cloaked crackers literally standing still in front of me c: Some times I'll act like I don't see them... Stand there with my aim right on them... Give them a moment... Then Bam! Dead :D
G.L.O.R.Y solider,
Master of the Gallente Heavy
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
531
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:04:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Good scouts don't solely rely on such cheap tactics.
We have many dastardly tools in our arsenal.
We are stealthy and silent, and shall have our kill in due time. Good scouts know when to be patient, and they also know to strike when the iron is hot.
You can't run. You can't hide.
You can only die in that slow, tanked out suit that claims the lives of the weak and clueless.
You should tell that to the scouts I see in pure evil or Molon labe etc. They seem to just stack kincats and dampeners and never stop sprinting. On certain maps, it's pretty impossible to counter this if you aren't a scout. Wall hacks + the ability to run away after alpha one shotting your target with a shotgun is pretty hard to counter. It's literally their stacked abilities vs. your blind luck of having twirled around at the right moment. I spend half those matches constantly spinning in circles and it still won't matter when they simply tank all my damage with their 350 e/hp before ohkoing me. I don't use aim assist though so it's pretty nerve wracking to deal with players that suddenly appear in your face bunny hoping and auto tracking your every move. I use minmitar and caldari suits though, so maybe I just have to accept that the shield profile ohko weapon is ridiculous to counter. At least with knova knives the scout has to get incredibly close, even with the knife adhesion. I get ohkoed in my shield fits by shotgun scouts from 7-10 meters away.
Aim assist hurts in all other engagements but shot gun scouts that move at 9-12 m/s you just can't stop them from closing in. I guess its working as intended it just makes me question as the game becomes more and more balanced how that could be countered? I can easily counter hmg spam by outranging it or alpha koing them with a forge or remotes or something but scouts sprinting that you cannot detect.... I just haven't figured out a counter which doesn't include:
A. Getting lucky and spotting them out in the open away from me.
B. Grabbing my cloak and shotgun and joining them.
It just doesn't feel balanced. Much like tanks encouraged you to use tanks in 1.7.
Edit: Though I am absolutely open to people making suggestions other than to join Scouts514. I am literally stumped on how you counter something you cannot see and has the alpha damage to ohko you. I know people may say teamwork but that's again what tankers said in 1.7. I don't think having to use multiple people to counter one person is balanced. This should only occur because a player is that good not because their loadout is that good. |
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Dreis Shadowweaver
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
88
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:20:00 -
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I traded in my remotes for a scanner on my min scout. Works a treat!
Well, I once meleed an R.E....
I've only ever known 1.8...
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
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Nestil
uptown456
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:02:00 -
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be thankful...without us the game would turn into a "Heavy Burst HMG" slaughter. do you know how many heavies I killed the past days....They're everywhere and harder to kill than most scouts. |
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Tectonic Fusion
2071
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:03:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Good scouts don't solely rely on such cheap tactics.
We have many dastardly tools in our arsenal.
We are stealthy and silent, and shall have our kill in due time. Good scouts know when to be patient, and they also know to strike when the iron is hot.
You can't run. You can't hide.
You can only die in that slow, tanked out suit that claims the lives of the weak and clueless. They aren't cheap tactics if the other team is good lol
(GIF)
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
3345
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:45:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Good scouts don't solely rely on such cheap tactics.
We have many dastardly tools in our arsenal.
We are stealthy and silent, and shall have our kill in due time. Good scouts know when to be patient, and they also know to strike when the iron is hot.
You can't run. You can't hide.
You can only die in that slow, tanked out suit that claims the lives of the weak and clueless. Jokes on you, I'm not a slow heavy and I don't tank armor :P But I do agree if a scout knows what he's doing he can be good. But that's a rare breed now, even guys in the top 10 corps are using the shotty/remote tactic. ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) Ghost, we're a rare breed again. High Five!
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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ZB DeLong
Nyain San
67
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:48:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Good scouts don't solely rely on such cheap tactics.
We have many dastardly tools in our arsenal.
We are stealthy and silent, and shall have our kill in due time. Good scouts know when to be patient, and they also know to strike when the iron is hot.
You can't run. You can't hide.
You can only die in that slow, tanked out suit that claims the lives of the weak and clueless. >:) Mwahahahaha.
What's that sound? Huh? My logis are all dead? I'm alone in the bunker and there's an RE at my feet? :'(
KABLAMMY!!
Been fighting this war since beta. When can I go home and see my family again? Will I survive this brutality? :)
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo
206
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:53:00 -
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Nestil wrote:be thankful...without us the game would turn into a "Heavy Burst HMG" slaughter. do you know how many heavies I killed the past days....They're everywhere and harder to kill than most scouts.
Thankful? Lol, I can create a new character right now, get remotes and a scout suit and kill people with 50+ mil sp. That's not really fair. As well, the burst is only as good as the persons aim, it doesn't do crap if you don't get hit with the whole burst.
Bust if your smart you can literally just stand there and let the idiots with remotes run right into the end of your barrel. A lot of scouts actually run in the same pattern over and over just dropping remotes.
G.L.O.R.Y solider,
Master of the Heavy (Amarr & Gallente)
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Eruditus 920
Prodigy Ops
365
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:54:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Good scouts don't solely rely on such cheap tactics.
We have many dastardly tools in our arsenal.
We are stealthy and silent, and shall have our kill in due time. Good scouts know when to be patient, and they also know to strike when the iron is hot.
You can't run. You can't hide.
You can only die in that slow, tanked out suit that claims the lives of the weak and clueless.
There is no such thing as cheap tactics. There are only tactics.
Butthurt dead mercs use phrases like "cheap tactics".
If players are shamed into running starter fits and trying to only melee after reading comments such as that (which are prevalent on this forum) they will grow old waiting for the medal that won't arrive.
I don't complain over the manner of my death. All is fair.
And I kill in any way I can and apologize to no one.
Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo
206
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Posted - 2014.08.28 22:00:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Good scouts don't solely rely on such cheap tactics.
We have many dastardly tools in our arsenal.
We are stealthy and silent, and shall have our kill in due time. Good scouts know when to be patient, and they also know to strike when the iron is hot.
You can't run. You can't hide.
You can only die in that slow, tanked out suit that claims the lives of the weak and clueless. There is no such thing as cheap tactics. There are only tactics. Butthurt dead mercs use phrases like "cheap tactics". If players are shamed into running starter fits and trying to only melee after reading comments such as that (which are prevalent on this forum) they will grow old waiting for the medal that won't arrive. I don't complain over the manner of my death. All is fair. And I kill in any way I can and apologize to no one.
Oh no, there are cheap tactics. By that I mean tactics that are limited and weak, predictable. The shotgun and remote tactic leaves you vulnerable and makes you an easy target, I can hear your remotes and I know your going to run away, drop a remote, and expect me to keep chasing you. Then flank me and come up behind me, I know right where to look and that's why I'm thanking the morons who are keeping it up xD
G.L.O.R.Y solider,
Master of the Heavy (Amarr & Gallente)
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saxonmish
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
316
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Posted - 2014.08.28 22:26:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Good scouts don't solely rely on such cheap tactics.
We have many dastardly tools in our arsenal.
We are stealthy and silent, and shall have our kill in due time. Good scouts know when to be patient, and they also know to strike when the iron is hot.
You can't run. You can't hide.
You can only die in that slow, tanked out suit that claims the lives of the weak and clueless.
Lol i think im the loudest,noisiest scout out there
SLAYER.
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Eruditus 920
Prodigy Ops
365
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Posted - 2014.08.28 22:51:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Good scouts don't solely rely on such cheap tactics.
We have many dastardly tools in our arsenal.
We are stealthy and silent, and shall have our kill in due time. Good scouts know when to be patient, and they also know to strike when the iron is hot.
You can't run. You can't hide.
You can only die in that slow, tanked out suit that claims the lives of the weak and clueless. There is no such thing as cheap tactics. There are only tactics. Butthurt dead mercs use phrases like "cheap tactics". If players are shamed into running starter fits and trying to only melee after reading comments such as that (which are prevalent on this forum) they will grow old waiting for the medal that won't arrive. I don't complain over the manner of my death. All is fair. And I kill in any way I can and apologize to no one. Oh no, there are cheap tactics. By that I mean tactics that are limited and weak, predictable. The shotgun and remote tactic leaves you vulnerable and makes you an easy target, I can hear your remotes and I know your going to run away, drop a remote, and expect me to keep chasing you. Then flank me and come up behind me, I know right where to look and that's why I'm thanking the morons who are keeping it up xD
Ok, so is that a cheap tactic if it works or if it doesn't work. Please enlighten me.
It's a tactic plain and simple. You are playing semantics.
Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
3599
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Posted - 2014.08.28 22:58:00 -
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IMO Cheap tactics are tactics that abuse broken game play mechanics and ruin the fun for lots of people.
i.e. Heavy/LAV combo, formerly uber tanked/cloaked scouts, formerly RE bleedout exploding suicide mercs etc.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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Venerable Phage
Red Shirts Away Team
247
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:14:00 -
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RE bleed out made sense as you are an immortal and transfer from one thinking body to then next.
Shotguns - can be fantastic and then at other times buggy as hell. Breaches are the most fun.
Scouts aren't running at 12m/s, brick tanked, shield tanked and wall hacking to the extreme.
You can either run really fast or brick tank or passive scan at a reasonable distance or be dampened. You can shield tank or increase alpha damage or see dampened opponents.
I have REs on most of my fits but they are used more for protecting an objective... Always practice safe objective takeovers and flush with a flux. REs are good against stationary targets... but so are shotguns, Nova Knifes, Sniper Rifles, scrambler pistols, flaylocks... Essentially if you don't move expect a weapon to get you. I do use REs to cover a flank where I expect enemies to approach and then concentrate on other approaches. They aren't really an offensive weapon and against vehicles I find a cooked flux panics most of them into a retreat so they work better as an AV threat.
My take on 514:
Five Empires, One Dead, Four Alive
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo
206
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:55:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Good scouts don't solely rely on such cheap tactics.
We have many dastardly tools in our arsenal.
We are stealthy and silent, and shall have our kill in due time. Good scouts know when to be patient, and they also know to strike when the iron is hot.
You can't run. You can't hide.
You can only die in that slow, tanked out suit that claims the lives of the weak and clueless. There is no such thing as cheap tactics. There are only tactics. Butthurt dead mercs use phrases like "cheap tactics". If players are shamed into running starter fits and trying to only melee after reading comments such as that (which are prevalent on this forum) they will grow old waiting for the medal that won't arrive. I don't complain over the manner of my death. All is fair. And I kill in any way I can and apologize to no one. Oh no, there are cheap tactics. By that I mean tactics that are limited and weak, predictable. The shotgun and remote tactic leaves you vulnerable and makes you an easy target, I can hear your remotes and I know your going to run away, drop a remote, and expect me to keep chasing you. Then flank me and come up behind me, I know right where to look and that's why I'm thanking the morons who are keeping it up xD Ok, so is that a cheap tactic if it works or if it doesn't work. Please enlighten me. It's a tactic plain and simple. You are playing semantics. If your tactic is to bang your head on a wall to knock it down, it doesn't make it a good one.
G.L.O.R.Y solider,
Master of the Heavy (Amarr & Gallente)
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Eruditus 920
Prodigy Ops
367
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:11:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Good scouts don't solely rely on such cheap tactics.
We have many dastardly tools in our arsenal.
We are stealthy and silent, and shall have our kill in due time. Good scouts know when to be patient, and they also know to strike when the iron is hot.
You can't run. You can't hide.
You can only die in that slow, tanked out suit that claims the lives of the weak and clueless. There is no such thing as cheap tactics. There are only tactics. Butthurt dead mercs use phrases like "cheap tactics". If players are shamed into running starter fits and trying to only melee after reading comments such as that (which are prevalent on this forum) they will grow old waiting for the medal that won't arrive. I don't complain over the manner of my death. All is fair. And I kill in any way I can and apologize to no one. Oh no, there are cheap tactics. By that I mean tactics that are limited and weak, predictable. The shotgun and remote tactic leaves you vulnerable and makes you an easy target, I can hear your remotes and I know your going to run away, drop a remote, and expect me to keep chasing you. Then flank me and come up behind me, I know right where to look and that's why I'm thanking the morons who are keeping it up xD Ok, so is that a cheap tactic if it works or if it doesn't work. Please enlighten me. It's a tactic plain and simple. You are playing semantics. If your tactic is to bang your head on a wall to knock it down, it doesn't make it a good one.
Good is a subjective term.
If the wall must come down and your head is all you got...
I enjoy much success using my head.
Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Cult of Gasai
5865
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:32:00 -
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Cloaks aren't as helpful for combat as people think. They are, however, extremely useful for hacking.
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
541
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:29:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Cloaks aren't as helpful for combat as people think. They are, however, extremely useful for hacking.
Explain how it's not all that helpful for me to break LOS and stand still and wait for a target to turn around only to sprint up to them and in a split second swap to a shotgun and bam here comes the pain train.
It is absolutely useful in combat. Don't get me wrong I PREFER to use it on my Sniper/ScP scout for setting up sneaky assassinations but to say Shotgun/RE + Cloak isn't combat effective, well you are peddling some crazy horse ****.
And ironically to your suggestion only blueberries are fooled by cloaked hackers. I mean hell the only extremely useful cloaked hack is an objective hack and when I look at an objective and it's blinking and no one is there I blast the hell out of that objective because obvious cloaked scout is obvious. When anything else is hacked it's nominally useful as organized teams won't need CRUs as they have uplinks and if there is a supply depot it has no serious benefit to that lone scout. |
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:21:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Good scouts don't solely rely on such cheap tactics.
We have many dastardly tools in our arsenal.
We are stealthy and silent, and shall have our kill in due time. Good scouts know when to be patient, and they also know to strike when the iron is hot.
You can't run. You can't hide.
You can only die in that slow, tanked out suit that claims the lives of the weak and clueless. There is no such thing as cheap tactics. There are only tactics. Butthurt dead mercs use phrases like "cheap tactics". If players are shamed into running starter fits and trying to only melee after reading comments such as that (which are prevalent on this forum) they will grow old waiting for the medal that won't arrive. I don't complain over the manner of my death. All is fair. And I kill in any way I can and apologize to no one.
I'm not gonna lie. It's pretty cheap. *Click* BOOM +50
On the other hand, I don't feel bad about doing it. RE traps are fine, people should check their corners and learn to NEVER CHASE A SCOUT.
It's cheap, but it's effective. But DON'T RELY ON IT
Good players hear the RE's and react accordingly. They explode the RE, or walk away with their guns pointed at the door. GOOD scouts know when they can do this, and when they can't.
That's why I said we don't DEPEND on those tactics. We still use them, but we have many more elaborate schemes up our sleeve ![Twisted](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_twisted.png)
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:22:00 -
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I hate shotgun scouts they pop pretty much anything in 1-4 hits
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:42:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:I hate shotgun scouts they pop pretty much anything in 1-4 hits
To be honest I feel like this game would be near perfect in balance if the shotgun didn't exist. That way scouts don't have a massive alpha weapon to use in combination with their cloak.
Inversely, cloaks probably shouldn't of been implemented for matters of balance. Most games that include cloaks, treat cloaks as a one man vs. several situation.
But I'm fairly certain the CCP dev team responsible for dust cares nothing for balance and is just shooting in the dark. It's why I think Legion will probably fail like Dust, from a business standpoint. Yeah we play Dust, but they canceled development for a reason. |
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:45:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Zindorak wrote:I hate shotgun scouts they pop pretty much anything in 1-4 hits To be honest I feel like this game would be near perfect in balance if the shotgun didn't exist. That way scouts don't have a massive alpha weapon to use in combination with their cloak. Inversely, cloaks probably shouldn't of been implemented for matters of balance. Most games that include cloaks, treat cloaks as a one man vs. several situation. But I'm fairly certain the CCP dev team responsible for dust cares nothing for balance and is just shooting in the dark. It's why I think Legion will probably fail like Dust, from a business standpoint. Yeah we play Dust, but they canceled development for a reason. yea i don't really mind cloak but its the shotgun that really grinds my gears
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Zindorak wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Zindorak wrote:I hate shotgun scouts they pop pretty much anything in 1-4 hits To be honest I feel like this game would be near perfect in balance if the shotgun didn't exist. That way scouts don't have a massive alpha weapon to use in combination with their cloak. Inversely, cloaks probably shouldn't of been implemented for matters of balance. Most games that include cloaks, treat cloaks as a one man vs. several situation. But I'm fairly certain the CCP dev team responsible for dust cares nothing for balance and is just shooting in the dark. It's why I think Legion will probably fail like Dust, from a business standpoint. Yeah we play Dust, but they canceled development for a reason. yea i don't really mind cloak but its the shotgun that really grinds my gears
Could you believe that players are requesting the proficiency be changed from dispersion (Which they say hurts them... you know because a tighter spread means you can't blindly fire as much... ******* amateurs.) Instead they want RoF, you know so they can blindly pellet players at much higher speeds. This is why we can't have nice things. |
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Posted - 2014.08.29 03:47:00 -
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Most deaths I have from scouts are by circumstance. If you take measures to remove yourself from their reach...well, you'd have less unexpected deaths.
Such things like:
Avoiding cities (unless you're Sentinel and with a logi)
Teaming up with/running a Cal/Amarr/Gal Scout
Piloting vehicles
Forge Gunning from rooftops (w/o ladders)
Sniping from DEEP in the redzone
It's almost pitiful how many circumstances there are in which a scout holds the advantage. They can dominate in close range (SG/NK), middle range (PLC/rifles), or long range (SR/RR). All I can say is, practice gun game and refine tactical perspective against unseen and cunning enemies.
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Posted - 2014.08.29 04:01:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Good scouts don't solely rely on such cheap tactics.
We have many dastardly tools in our arsenal.
We are stealthy and silent, and shall have our kill in due time. Good scouts know when to be patient, and they also know to strike when the iron is hot.
You can't run. You can't hide.
You can only die in that slow, tanked out suit that claims the lives of the weak and clueless. I lol every time a heavy walks past my cloaked scout because i'll kill him shortly. Assaults do it more then they used to now. But somehow i still get sniper alot from 400m+. Is there some rendering bug i dont know about?
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Posted - 2014.08.29 04:51:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Zindorak wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Zindorak wrote:I hate shotgun scouts they pop pretty much anything in 1-4 hits To be honest I feel like this game would be near perfect in balance if the shotgun didn't exist. That way scouts don't have a massive alpha weapon to use in combination with their cloak. Inversely, cloaks probably shouldn't of been implemented for matters of balance. Most games that include cloaks, treat cloaks as a one man vs. several situation. But I'm fairly certain the CCP dev team responsible for dust cares nothing for balance and is just shooting in the dark. It's why I think Legion will probably fail like Dust, from a business standpoint. Yeah we play Dust, but they canceled development for a reason. yea i don't really mind cloak but its the shotgun that really grinds my gears Could you believe that players are requesting the proficiency be changed from dispersion (Which they say hurts them... you know because a tighter spread means you can't blindly fire as much... ******* amateurs.) Instead they want RoF, you know so they can blindly pellet players at much higher speeds. This is why we can't have nice things. lol
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Nestil wrote:be thankful...without us the game would turn into a "Heavy Burst HMG" slaughter. do you know how many heavies I killed the past days....They're everywhere and harder to kill than most scouts. Thankful? Lol, I can create a new character right now, get remotes and a scout suit and kill people with 50+ mil sp. That's not really fair. As well, the burst is only as good as the persons aim, it doesn't do crap if you don't get hit with the whole burst. Bust if your smart you can literally just stand there and let the idiots with remotes run right into the end of your barrel. A lot of scouts actually run in the same pattern over and over just dropping remotes.
so your point is that a newbie shouldn't be able to kill a 50mil character? what is so unfair using remotes? I mean I could use it on any medium frame anyways (like a logi with scanner + remotes). do you know how many times a walked around directly into a heavy who was not showing up on my tacnet? and then even when only the half burst hits me I'm dead! and the smart heavies run in groups with logis so how should I able to outdps that, other than being another heavy? or I could just use remotes sneak upon him and hope that no one of the other team sees me while I throw them into the middle and try to kill everyone (and good players will notice the noise of the REs while setting or scan presetted traps with their scanners seing the remotes). |
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Zindorak wrote:I hate shotgun scouts they pop pretty much anything in 1-4 hits To be honest I feel like this game would be near perfect in balance if the shotgun didn't exist. That way scouts don't have a massive alpha weapon to use in combination with their cloak. Inversely, cloaks probably shouldn't of been implemented for matters of balance. Most games that include cloaks, treat cloaks as a one man vs. several situation. But I'm fairly certain the CCP dev team responsible for dust cares nothing for balance and is just shooting in the dark. It's why I think Legion will probably fail like Dust, from a business standpoint. Yeah we play Dust, but they canceled development for a reason.
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