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deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 876	Posted - 2014.08.28 19:33:00 - [1] - Quote Cross posting from GD deezy dabest wrote: Logis should not receive bonuses to earning more WP but to fitting. Currently they receive a small fitting bonus and a bonus towards their equipment efficiency and in my opinion this is broken. The bonuses are small enough that no one really cares about running that suit for it unless they are a true WP ***** and those who attempt to run multiple types on their suit are penalized. Here is my very basic proposal on bonuses. Logistics Role Bonus: 2% bonus to efficiency of all equipment. hives = more distro speed rep tools = faster rep rate links = more spawns scans = faster cool down nanite injector = more health Those are a ROLE bonus meaning all of them apply to all suits. Logistics Racial Bonuses Amarr: 5% per level reduction to uplink pg/cpu Gal: 5% per level reduction to scanner pg/cpu Min: 5% per level reduction to rep tool pg/cpu Cal: 5% per level reduction to nanohive pg/cpu The concept is simple and very similar to how the cloak / scout combo works. If you want to run that equipment without giving up a lot of stuff you should be using the suit that is made for it. At the same time a logi who mixes equipment and loses fitting space thanks to no bonus is rewarded for being more use to the team instead of just spamming equipment.
Meee One Hello Kitty Logistics 1029	Posted - 2014.08.29 03:36:00 - [2] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Cross posting from GD deezy dabest wrote: Logis should not receive bonuses to earning more WP but to fitting. Currently they receive a small fitting bonus and a bonus towards their equipment efficiency and in my opinion this is broken. The bonuses are small enough that no one really cares about running that suit for it unless they are a true WP ***** and those who attempt to run multiple types on their suit are penalized. Here is my very basic proposal on bonuses. Logistics Role Bonus: 2% bonus to efficiency of all equipment. hives = more distro speed rep tools = faster rep rate links = more spawns scans = faster cool down nanite injector = more health Those are a ROLE bonus meaning all of them apply to all suits. Logistics Racial Bonuses Amarr: 5% per level reduction to uplink pg/cpu Gal: 5% per level reduction to scanner pg/cpu Min: 5% per level reduction to rep tool pg/cpu Cal: 5% per level reduction to nanohive pg/cpu The concept is simple and very similar to how the cloak / scout combo works. If you want to run that equipment without giving up a lot of stuff you should be using the suit that is made for it. At the same time a logi who mixes equipment and loses fitting space thanks to no bonus is rewarded for being more use to the team instead of just spamming equipment. -1 It's obvious you don't run logistics. Leave the current bonuses alone and add more,for all equipment. Don't take bonuses away. That and have you seen the PG/CPU cost of a Pro hive? I'd assume not,it's very fitting intensive and only cal could run them with your suggestion. This is just a "nerf da logeeze" thread masquerading as a legit bonus thread. Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 877	Posted - 2014.08.29 14:45:00 - [3] - Quote Meee One wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Cross posting from GD deezy dabest wrote: Logis should not receive bonuses to earning more WP but to fitting. Currently they receive a small fitting bonus and a bonus towards their equipment efficiency and in my opinion this is broken. The bonuses are small enough that no one really cares about running that suit for it unless they are a true WP ***** and those who attempt to run multiple types on their suit are penalized. Here is my very basic proposal on bonuses. Logistics Role Bonus: 2% bonus to efficiency of all equipment. hives = more distro speed rep tools = faster rep rate links = more spawns scans = faster cool down nanite injector = more health Those are a ROLE bonus meaning all of them apply to all suits. Logistics Racial Bonuses Amarr: 5% per level reduction to uplink pg/cpu Gal: 5% per level reduction to scanner pg/cpu Min: 5% per level reduction to rep tool pg/cpu Cal: 5% per level reduction to nanohive pg/cpu The concept is simple and very similar to how the cloak / scout combo works. If you want to run that equipment without giving up a lot of stuff you should be using the suit that is made for it. At the same time a logi who mixes equipment and loses fitting space thanks to no bonus is rewarded for being more use to the team instead of just spamming equipment. -1 It's obvious you don't run logistics. Leave the current bonuses alone and add more,for all equipment. Don't take bonuses away. That and have you seen the PG/CPU cost of a Pro hive? I'd assume not,it's very fitting intensive and only cal could run them with your suggestion. This is just a "nerf da logeeze" thread masquerading as a legit bonus thread. Also,all scouts get a fitting reduction to cloaks not just one,fail example is fail. I run Amarr logi and I can tell you one very big problem with suits right now is the fact that my scout is a much better logi than my logi. Not only can I deliver uplinks faster as well as be battle ready, I can also see more and share more passive scans to my team. This is actually a nerf the fake logi thread if you are going to label it as nerfing anything. Had you taken the time to look at the role bonus portion you would see that this would create a huge reward for the logi who specializes far enough into one suit to open up the pg/cpu to be able to run multiple pieces such as a min logi who can get away with carrying a rep tool a needle and rep hives (only an example). Also if you look at the "uniform slot layout" idea they are trying to move towards then these bonuses work far better towards getting people specced into a suit than anything.
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 3279	Posted - 2014.08.29 18:47:00 - [4] - Quote Basically all logi's would be the same. Homogenization of classes is bad, so no. SP Sinks? Fixed.
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1621	Posted - 2014.08.29 18:56:00 - [5] - Quote There aren't enough electrons in the observable universe to store the data of the amount of times I want to say no to this. Logis need more equipment buffs. Like slightly better with non-racial equipment, and really good with racial equipment (this we already have). Simply adding a 2% dual bonus to the other pieces of equipment will be a godsend. Rest in peace, oh Captain, my Captain.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 672	Posted - 2014.08.29 19:13:00 - [6] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Cross posting from GD deezy dabest wrote: Logis should not receive bonuses to earning more WP but to fitting. Currently they receive a small fitting bonus and a bonus towards their equipment efficiency and in my opinion this is broken. The bonuses are small enough that no one really cares about running that suit for it unless they are a true WP *** and those who attempt to run multiple types on their suit are penalized. Here is my very basic proposal on bonuses. Logistics Role Bonus: 2% bonus to efficiency of all equipment. hives = more distro speed rep tools = faster rep rate links = more spawns scans = faster cool down nanite injector = more health Those are a ROLE bonus meaning all of them apply to all suits. Logistics Racial Bonuses Amarr: 5% per level reduction to uplink pg/cpu Gal: 5% per level reduction to scanner pg/cpu Min: 5% per level reduction to rep tool pg/cpu Cal: 5% per level reduction to nanohive pg/cpu The concept is simple and very similar to how the cloak / scout combo works. If you want to run that equipment without giving up a lot of stuff you should be using the suit that is made for it. At the same time a logi who mixes equipment and loses fitting space thanks to no bonus is rewarded for being more use to the team instead of just spamming equipment. interesting but no.. logi bonus 200% bonus to equipment HP 50% range on rep tools 25% rep amount +2 carried equipment per level -6% PG/cpu cost of equipment per level racial logi bonus Amarr +10 max spawns on uplinks (flat) -7.5% spawn time modifier per level Winmatar 25% hacking speed (flat) 5% movement speed per level(does not modify Caldari +50% bonus to nanite clusters(flat) +7.5% resupply and armor repair per level** Gallente pending active scanner buff* +37.5% active scanner precision(flat) +7.5% active scanner visability and cooldown per level hopefully ccp will change active scanners to share scans with squad AND team* AND give intel kill assist points from those outside of team.. [i]+10 from team +15 from squad [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 672	Posted - 2014.08.29 19:13:00 - [7] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: There aren't enough electrons in the observable universe to store the data of the amount of times I want to say no to this. Logis need more equipment buffs. Like slightly better with non-racial equipment, and really good with racial equipment (this we already have). Simply adding a 2% dual bonus to the other pieces of equipment will be a godsend. +2 carried equipment per level? :3 [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Zindorak 1.U.P 712	Posted - 2014.08.29 23:07:00 - [8] - Quote Give Am logi +1 to Uplink placement so we aren't stuck only being able to place 5-6 Links at a time Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 877	Posted - 2014.08.30 02:20:00 - [9] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Cross posting from GD deezy dabest wrote: Logis should not receive bonuses to earning more WP but to fitting. Currently they receive a small fitting bonus and a bonus towards their equipment efficiency and in my opinion this is broken. The bonuses are small enough that no one really cares about running that suit for it unless they are a true WP *** and those who attempt to run multiple types on their suit are penalized. Here is my very basic proposal on bonuses. Logistics Role Bonus: 2% bonus to efficiency of all equipment. hives = more distro speed rep tools = faster rep rate links = more spawns scans = faster cool down nanite injector = more health Those are a ROLE bonus meaning all of them apply to all suits. Logistics Racial Bonuses Amarr: 5% per level reduction to uplink pg/cpu Gal: 5% per level reduction to scanner pg/cpu Min: 5% per level reduction to rep tool pg/cpu Cal: 5% per level reduction to nanohive pg/cpu The concept is simple and very similar to how the cloak / scout combo works. If you want to run that equipment without giving up a lot of stuff you should be using the suit that is made for it. At the same time a logi who mixes equipment and loses fitting space thanks to no bonus is rewarded for being more use to the team instead of just spamming equipment. interesting but no.. logi bonus 200% bonus to equipment HP 50% range on rep tools 25% rep amount +2 carried equipment per level -6% PG/cpu cost of equipment per level racial logi bonus Amarr +10 max spawns on uplinks (flat) -7.5% spawn time modifier per level Winmatar 25% hacking speed (flat) 5% movement speed per level(does not modify Caldari +50% bonus to nanite clusters(flat) +7.5% resupply and armor repair per level** Gallente pending active scanner buff* +37.5% active scanner precision(flat) +7.5% active scanner visability and cooldown per level hopefully ccp will change active scanners to share scans with squad AND team* AND give intel kill assist points from those outside of team.. [i]+10 from team +15 from squad This still leaves multi use logis in the dark and does not solve the biggest problem I know. Scouts are now a better logi than logis and this needs to be solved. Equipment bonuses should be on a fitting basis only. This also gets rid of the whole argument on how Amarr / Caldari bonuses should be applied when changing suits.
bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 379	Posted - 2014.08.30 14:05:00 - [10] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Cross posting from GD deezy dabest wrote: Logis should not receive bonuses to earning more WP but to fitting. Currently they receive a small fitting bonus and a bonus towards their equipment efficiency and in my opinion this is broken. The bonuses are small enough that no one really cares about running that suit for it unless they are a true WP *** and those who attempt to run multiple types on their suit are penalized. Here is my very basic proposal on bonuses. Logistics Role Bonus: 2% bonus to efficiency of all equipment. hives = more distro speed rep tools = faster rep rate links = more spawns scans = faster cool down nanite injector = more health Those are a ROLE bonus meaning all of them apply to all suits. Logistics Racial Bonuses Amarr: 5% per level reduction to uplink pg/cpu Gal: 5% per level reduction to scanner pg/cpu Min: 5% per level reduction to rep tool pg/cpu Cal: 5% per level reduction to nanohive pg/cpu The concept is simple and very similar to how the cloak / scout combo works. If you want to run that equipment without giving up a lot of stuff you should be using the suit that is made for it. At the same time a logi who mixes equipment and loses fitting space thanks to no bonus is rewarded for being more use to the team instead of just spamming equipment. interesting but no... logi bonus 200% bonus to equipment HP 50% range on rep tools 25% rep amount +2 carried equipment per level -6% PG/cpu cost of equipment per level racial logi bonus Amarr +10 max spawns on uplinks (flat) -7.5% spawn time modifier per level Winmatar +25% hacking speed (flat) +5% movement speed per level(does not modify Caldari +50% bonus to nanite clusters(flat) +7.5% resupply and armor repair per level** Gallente pending active scanner buff* +37.5% active scanner precision(flat) +7.5% active scanner visability and cooldown per level hopefully ccp will change active scanners to share scans with squad AND team* AND give intel kill assist points from those outside of team.. +10 from team +15 from squad I like this, but feel some of your numbers are a bit high. Something like this might be more reasonable: logi role bonuses +100% bonus to equipment HP* +50% range on rep tools +25% rep amount +1 carried equipment per level* -5% PG/cpu cost of equipment per level allow equipment to be automatically restocked at Supply Depots without changing suits logi racial bonuses* Amarr +10 max spawns on uplinks (flat) -5% spawn time modifier per level Winmatar 25% hacking speed (flat) 5% movement speed per level (does not modify) Caldari +25% bonus to nanite clusters (flat) +5% resupply and armor repair per level Gallente pending active scanner buff* +25% active scanner precision (flat) +5% active scanner visability and cooldown per level *hopefully ccp will change active scanners to share scans with squad (only) ~~AND team AND give intel kill assist points from those outside of team.. [i]+10 from team~~ +15 from squad Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel.

bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 379	Posted - 2014.08.30 14:16:00 - [11] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: This still leaves multi use logis in the dark and does not solve the biggest problem I know. Scouts are now a better logi than logis and this needs to be solved. Equipment bonuses should be on a fitting basis only. This also gets rid of the whole argument on how Amarr / Caldari bonuses should be applied when changing suits. Suit bonuses should be applied/continued when changing into Logi suits of the same race. When changing races (or roles), the suit bonuses should NOT continue as the new bonuses from the new race (or role) would then be in effect. Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel.
bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 379	Posted - 2014.08.30 14:19:00 - [12] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Give Am logi +1 to Uplink placement so we aren't stuck only being able to place 5-6 Links at a time No. We get enough equipment spam already, thank you. 5-6 pieces of one type of equipment per player is plenty. Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel.


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