DUST Search - Logis and commandos being iterated on in Delta??

Breakin Stuff wrote:

zzZaXxx wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

Giving a fatsuit an EWAR buff is about as useful as a football bat unless CCP sees fit to allow them passive scanning just behind scouts. I think fatties of all types should remain easily scanned regardless of whether sentinel, heavy frame or commando.

If you buff fats on EWAR it should be solely a precision bonus.

And even then only because if you are gonna play point defense you NEED to know what is hitting you or about to. Leave it so damped proyo scoutscan still slip a knife in your ribs because there is no excuse for not utilizing the Mk.1 eyeball issued to you at birth.

The whole idea of "fat suit" only works if you have an HMG. Commandos are not point defense. Wake up and smell the assault buff my friend. Commandos now have about the same EHP as assaults but have a bigger hitbox, are MUCH slower, and can't see assaults on passive scan. They have the light weapon for a sidearm but that's not enough. Yes lowering their precision is more important than profile. Commandos NEED to be able to see assaults on passive. They also should be able to have significantly higher EHP compared to assault if both are brick tanked, due to their lower speed and larger hitbox. I can't overemphasize how detrimental the hitbox is for commandos' natural play style.

Tis a general statement. I think commandos should be slightly easier to pick out than assaults but using sentinels and commandos as early warning bulwarks would actually be an insanely useful buff. Which is why I said buff the precision but leave them detectable.

Most habitual heavies dont bother with the radar. Its not going to detect the assault coming behind tou with a flux and CR.

I was actually mostly in agreement with you but I stand by tge assertion that buffing heavy passive scan precision and range meaningfully, both for sents and commandos would be a more meaningful and useful buff than a 20% boost to EHP in both cases.


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zzZaXxx D3ATH CARD 442	Posted - 2014.08.28 15:35:00 - [1] - Quote I get the impression logis will get some much needed love coming up since the CPM is (it seems) focused on them, but what about Commandos? Personally I think commandos need some attention. It's a tall order to engage in battle like an assault while having the speed just over sentinal, same scan stats as sentinal, and the large hitbox. The detriment of the the latter is extreme when engaging with scouts and assaults rifle to rifle. I'm thinking increase all commandos movement speed by 0.2, change base profile/precision to 55/50, and give them an extra module slot--high for minmatar and amarr, low for caldari and gallente. Thoughts? EDIT: And of course more fittings to accomodate the extra slot.
zzZaXxx D3ATH CARD 442	Posted - 2014.08.28 15:40:00 - [2] - Quote As for why low or high slots..... Gallente needs the extra low slot to add another kin cat so that they can get in range with AR/SG Caldari needs the versatility of another low slot. Minmatar needs more shielding, thus high. Amarr needs more damage, thus high. EDIT: The plasma cannon also is only any good in CQC, so gal commando needs a kin cat for that too.
zzZaXxx D3ATH CARD 443	Posted - 2014.08.28 15:54:00 - [3] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Giving a fatsuit an EWAR buff is about as useful as a football bat unless CCP sees fit to allow them passive scanning just behind scouts. I think fatties of all types should remain easily scanned regardless of whether sentinel, heavy frame or commando. If you buff fats on EWAR it should be solely a precision bonus. And even then only because if you are gonna play point defense you NEED to know what is hitting you or about to. Leave it so damped proyo scoutscan still slip a knife in your ribs because there is no excuse for not utilizing the Mk.1 eyeball issued to you at birth. The whole idea of "fat suit" only works if you have an HMG. Commandos are not point defense. Wake up and smell the assault buff my friend. Commandos now have about the same EHP as assaults but have a bigger hitbox, are MUCH slower, and can't see assaults on passive scan. They have the light weapon for a sidearm but that's not enough. Yes lowering their precision is more important than profile. Commandos NEED to be able to see assaults on passive. They also should be able to have significantly higher EHP compared to assault if both are brick tanked, due to their lower speed and larger hitbox. I can't overemphasize how detrimental the hitbox is for commandos' natural play style.
zzZaXxx D3ATH CARD 443	Posted - 2014.08.28 16:00:00 - [4] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Extra Speed? Eh, maybe? I don't feel too slow in my Commando. It feels appropriate for the base HP I have. Scans? Not the Commando's role. I'd say buffing that is unnecessary. You should rely on your GalLogi and Scouts for your scan information. Honestly I think if you just gave them the same slot layout as the Sentinel, that would be sufficient. They lack the higher base HP and damage resistances of the Sentinel so HP and eHP will still be lower, but it'll at least give the Commando some more options in fitting as it is currently very limited. The scan buff is for two things: to always be able to see sentinals coming, and, more importantly, to have precision equal to assaults profile. That's it. I don't think that's asking too much. Assaults will always see commandos coming. People need to stop comparing commandos to heavies. Their roles are nothing alike. Yes, just one more slot, equal to sentinal, should do the trick. I think a little more speed would help to mitigate the extra exposure commandos get from the large hitbox. Again, I can't overstate what a handicap that is when facing assaults rifle to rifle, at whatever range. EDIT: With a 0.2 speed buff for commandos, assaults would still be be much faster.
zzZaXxx D3ATH CARD 443	Posted - 2014.08.28 16:07:00 - [5] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Giving a fatsuit an EWAR buff is about as useful as a football bat unless CCP sees fit to allow them passive scanning just behind scouts. I think fatties of all types should remain easily scanned regardless of whether sentinel, heavy frame or commando. If you buff fats on EWAR it should be solely a precision bonus. And even then only because if you are gonna play point defense you NEED to know what is hitting you or about to. Leave it so damped proyo scoutscan still slip a knife in your ribs because there is no excuse for not utilizing the Mk.1 eyeball issued to you at birth. The whole idea of "fat suit" only works if you have an HMG. Commandos are not point defense. Wake up and smell the assault buff my friend. Commandos now have about the same EHP as assaults but have a bigger hitbox, are MUCH slower, and can't see assaults on passive scan. They have the light weapon for a sidearm but that's not enough. Yes lowering their precision is more important than profile. Commandos NEED to be able to see assaults on passive. They also should be able to have significantly higher EHP compared to assault if both are brick tanked, due to their lower speed and larger hitbox. I can't overemphasize how detrimental the hitbox is for commandos' natural play style. Tis a general statement. I think commandos should be slightly easier to pick out than assaults but using sentinels and commandos as early warning bulwarks would actually be an insanely useful buff. Which is why I said buff the precision but leave them detectable. Most habitual heavies dont bother with the radar. Its not going to detect the assault coming behind tou with a flux and CR. I was actually mostly in agreement with you but I stand by tge assertion that buffing heavy passive scan precision and range meaningfully, both for sents and commandos would be a more meaningful and useful buff than a 20% boost to EHP in both cases. Yes, of course commandos should remain detectable. Lowering their profile from 60 to 55 just gives them a chance to avoid detection by sentinals, which everyone should be able to do except other sentinals. Precision should go down no more than 50, because it's manifestly OP for assaults to be undetectable to commandos AND to be able to see them coming. But anything beyond 50 takes them out of their role.
zzZaXxx D3ATH CARD 443	Posted - 2014.08.28 16:08:00 - [6] - Quote Could be an LP store suit variant!