DUST Search - Dear Kane

Breakin Stuff wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

Hakyou Brutor wrote:

Kane personally ruined PC for me, in his attempt to break Nyain, so he could backstab them, like they tried to do to AE, emphasis on tried.

And the Drama nomination for this waaahmmy goes to... Hakyou Brutor, for exquisite QQ in a "God I hate that Goon Bastard" thread!

Take a bow Hakyou, and may the judges view your entry favorably.

What is weird is that Kane is likely the one that pushed for the mechanics that allowed PC to be such an elite gamemode. Without those mechanics those paychecks wouldn't have been possible.

Wait...

Hang on. clunky district lock timers... work like stront bay timers... with passive ISk rivalling moongoo for comparative income...

Nope. Sorry It's mini Dominion Sov mechanics ported to DUST.

And pretty much everyone who plays EVE (and has to deal with goddamn SOV timers) thinks the SOV mechanics are utter crap.

And let's face it. Isk faucets are bad for the game. PC was a poorly-timed ISK faucet.

Now it needs to be profitable on a per-battle basis. With the SOV-holding corp getting bonus bux for each battle, but blaming Kane is disingenuous,

After all...

You all never needed help for your corps to torch themselves.

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KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 616	Posted - 2014.08.28 05:35:00 - [1] - Quote Thank you for effectively killing what was left of Planetary Conquest by removing the ISK incentive behind holding land. Yours Truly, Dert
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3992	Posted - 2014.08.28 05:38:00 - [2] - Quote killing passive isk was a good thing. killing passive without a better alternative than what we have now was a horrible thing. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2522	Posted - 2014.08.28 05:57:00 - [3] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: killing passive isk was a good thing. killing passive without a better alternative than what we have now was a horrible thing. I suggested it before, I'll suggest it again. Make districts with corresponding timers have a 25% stacking penalty, it makes to where you can hole a good amount of land, but not without having a Euro, American or Japanese/French or whatever foreign land division, and whatever you can't hold on obscene timers, will be taken by those who can. I am the skybound warrior, you will know to run when you hear the music from above that make panties disappear.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3993	Posted - 2014.08.28 06:00:00 - [4] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: I suggested it before, I'll suggest it again. Make districts with corresponding timers have a 25% stacking penalty, it makes to where you can hole a good amount of land, but not without having a Euro, American or Japanese/French or whatever foreign land division, and whatever you can't hold on obscene timers, will be taken by those who can. alt corps. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2522	Posted - 2014.08.28 06:05:00 - [5] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: I suggested it before, I'll suggest it again. Make districts with corresponding timers have a 25% stacking penalty, it makes to where you can hole a good amount of land, but not without having a Euro, American or Japanese/French or whatever foreign land division, and whatever you can't hold on obscene timers, will be taken by those who can. alt corps. Not like that's not an issue already. Besides, there will never be such a thing as perfect PC. I just think that my plan is the best. Why you ask? Watch this video to find out. I am the skybound warrior, you will know to run when you hear the music from above that make panties disappear.
LionTurtle91 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 234	Posted - 2014.08.28 07:19:00 - [6] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: I suggested it before, I'll suggest it again. Make districts with corresponding timers have a 25% stacking penalty, it makes to where you can hole a good amount of land, but not without having a Euro, American or Japanese/French or whatever foreign land division, and whatever you can't hold on obscene timers, will be taken by those who can. alt corps. Not like that's not an issue already. Besides, there will never be such a thing as perfect PC. I just think that my plan is the best. Why you ask? Watch this video to find out. Heres more data to support my colleague's theory! Its legit.
Kalante Schiffer Pure Evil. 696	Posted - 2014.08.28 09:18:00 - [7] - Quote Not getting paid is pretty lame or rarely get paid, it definitely took away the fun there was in being true mercs. jiffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffmxfffffffoiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiifvossssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Roman837 Murphys-Law 548	Posted - 2014.08.28 11:59:00 - [8] - Quote Simple idea. Make research facility's produce isk and have a slow clone Regen rate. Make prod facility's only produce clones. No isk. And make cargo hubs produce both. Once it's maxed they get a slight amount of isk. If people want to farm isk they hold research facility's. That's fine it means they cannot attack. If people chose to NOT attack them then so be it. That's our fault for letting then farm. Soon as it is under attack it stops producing isk. To top them locking it with an alt corp...you make it so the defender only get isk based off of total equipment and suit losses...from both sides. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4436	Posted - 2014.08.28 12:34:00 - [9] - Quote I don't see what the problem is. Perhaps they could increase the payouts a bit more, but I think it's good this way. I'd wager there are 3x the overall number of players involved in PC right now than at any time since this time last year. The biggest issue is still that you have to wait 24-48 hrs to fight. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1270	Posted - 2014.08.28 12:58:00 - [10] - Quote make it so a district gives you a different kind of LP payout that you can use in a special PC store to buy gear that helps you get an edge to defend the district or go to war. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer

Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5759	Posted - 2014.08.28 13:10:00 - [11] - Quote Warframe is a good example of how PC should work with its Dark Sectors and Solar Rails, although you'd need PVE for it to work correctly here.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 1197	Posted - 2014.08.28 13:26:00 - [12] - Quote As one of the few PC mercs who missed the cash flow of passive ISK, I'm unsure how it should change.. I can just throw out opinions that I have gathered while building DMG into a PC side - Passive payouts led to greed, mercs expect high ringing fee's as they were used to them for so long. The concept of fighting for payouts is lost on most mercs as they just want the ISK - Active farming, we all know this is going on with corps attacking their allies, not fighting = free ISK - So one thing is certain, with the state PC is in, none can survive other than teams that have stockpiled passive ISK As the payouts barely cover expenses and that's if you win, a loss hits your team hard costing est.25mil ISK So what do we do? how can payouts be balanced so that corps can't hoard districts and become too strong..? It's a tricky one and one thing the community has proved, they will find a way to abuse it.. no matter what CCP 'fix' I suggest a simple method, that will benefit all mercs/corps that are PC active and that is allow us to make use of salvage Salvage is horribly broken, random loot that most mercs cannot use to begin with, I'm sure giving dedicated salvage would not be possible (eg.I would receive Plasma Cannons/Knives/Combat Rifles etc.) but there is a way to make all of the salvaged equipment useful to mercs/corps and that is by changing how salvage is payed out to mercs, It would no longer be received directly by the mercs but would be added to a Corp Locker where Directors can then distribute it to the mercs that have use for it, along with the ability to sell for ISK that's added to corp wallet ^^ This gives at least some reward to the losing side, along with making salvage drops actually matter As now, I'm lucky if 5/20 salvage items are anyway good to me.. I'm sure this is the same for many mercs (Just an opinion and me thinking out loud, so be nice when the Vultures swoop in to tell me why it won't work) And yes CCP, this would require a client update for your 2 year dedicated playerbase.. Innapropriate Irrelevence... Welcome to the Dust Forum, hang around to see why everyone else left :/
NAV HIV The Generals Anime Empire. 2027	Posted - 2014.08.28 15:14:00 - [13] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: killing passive isk was a good thing. killing passive without a better alternative than what we have now was a horrible thing. Fix the Lag in PC and Hit detection... Then a lot of people will play PC... Lag killed PC
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 247	Posted - 2014.08.28 15:52:00 - [14] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: killing passive isk was a good thing. killing passive without a better alternative than what we have now was a horrible thing. Fix the Lag in PC and Hit detection... Then a lot of people will play PC... Lag killed PC That's not possible, it would require someone other than CCP to work on this game. Upon this pedestal two thousand dreams were sacrificed so that their blood might fuel the many, for he is Legion.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4438	Posted - 2014.08.28 17:02:00 - [15] - Quote I haven't had lag issues in a LONG time in PC. To be honest I get more reliable performance in PC than in pubs most of the time. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 504	Posted - 2014.08.28 17:13:00 - [16] - Quote I still get some lag on occasion but I have 3rd world quality internet so my experience probably shouldn't count. It is definitely leaps and bounds above what it was.
NAV HIV The Generals Anime Empire. 2035	Posted - 2014.08.28 17:30:00 - [17] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I haven't had lag issues in a LONG time in PC. To be honest I get more reliable performance in PC than in pubs most of the time. Do you guys even fight anyone without having a mutual understanding first ?! I would know if PC lags or not when i fight Nayan or FA...
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4439	Posted - 2014.08.28 17:43:00 - [18] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I haven't had lag issues in a LONG time in PC. To be honest I get more reliable performance in PC than in pubs most of the time. Do you guys even fight anyone without having a mutual understanding first ?! I would know if PC lags or not when i fight Nayan or FA... You should probably choose to not talk if you don't know what you are talking about. I'd say we do 10-15 battles a week where there is no arrangement. District acquisition isn't a big driver in PC at the moment. It's mostly about getting fights and creating content. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4012	Posted - 2014.08.28 18:47:00 - [19] - Quote At least lag is not biased. Either both sides have horrendous lag...of neither does. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3192	Posted - 2014.08.28 18:56:00 - [20] - Quote LET US NAME PLANETS!!! Escrow Removal and Acquisition- Our ERA has only just begun... Gym Bro/ Meat Head -- CrossFit enthusiast

Hakyou Brutor Pure Evil. 1151	Posted - 2014.08.28 20:47:00 - [21] - Quote Passive ISK definitely made me want to do PC... now I'm like meh.. I only get on for DUST for PC, I only PC when I'm asked to, otherwise, it's Netflix for me. Put back in passive ISK and paychecks come back, then I would... probably still not get on except for PC, but I guess it's too late now! Kane personally ruined PC for me, in his attempt to break Nyain, so he could backstab them, like they tried to do to AE, emphasis on tried.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4474	Posted - 2014.08.28 20:58:00 - [22] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Passive ISK definitely made me want to do PC... now I'm like meh.. I only get on for DUST for PC, I only PC when I'm asked to, otherwise, it's Netflix for me. Put back in passive ISK and paychecks come back, then I would... probably still not get on except for PC, but I guess it's too late now! Kane personally ruined PC for me, in his attempt to break Nyain, so he could backstab them, like they tried to do to AE, emphasis on tried. The paychecks guaranteed that it would be a small, little tiny group of people playing each other all the time. And it increased the turnover of bandwaging hoping corps. Everything about that situation was bad for PC and Dust in general. It takes only a few minutes of thought to see that. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2369	Posted - 2014.08.28 21:18:00 - [23] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Kane personally ruined PC for me, in his attempt to break Nyain, so he could backstab them, like they tried to do to AE, emphasis on tried. And the Drama nomination for this waaahmmy goes to... Hakyou Brutor, for exquisite QQ in a "God I hate that Goon Bastard" thread! Take a bow Hakyou, and may the judges view your entry favorably.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4475	Posted - 2014.08.28 21:22:00 - [24] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: Kane personally ruined PC for me, in his attempt to break Nyain, so he could backstab them, like they tried to do to AE, emphasis on tried. And the Drama nomination for this waaahmmy goes to... Hakyou Brutor, for exquisite QQ in a "God I hate that Goon Bastard" thread! Take a bow Hakyou, and may the judges view your entry favorably. What is weird is that Kane is likely the one that pushed for the mechanics that allowed PC to be such an elite gamemode. Without those mechanics those paychecks wouldn't have been possible. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2369	Posted - 2014.08.28 21:27:00 - [25] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: Kane personally ruined PC for me, in his attempt to break Nyain, so he could backstab them, like they tried to do to AE, emphasis on tried. And the Drama nomination for this waaahmmy goes to... Hakyou Brutor, for exquisite QQ in a "God I hate that Goon Bastard" thread! Take a bow Hakyou, and may the judges view your entry favorably. What is weird is that Kane is likely the one that pushed for the mechanics that allowed PC to be such an elite gamemode. Without those mechanics those paychecks wouldn't have been possible. Wait... Hang on. clunky district lock timers... work like stront bay timers... with passive ISk rivalling moongoo for comparative income... Nope. Sorry It's mini Dominion Sov mechanics ported to DUST. And pretty much everyone who plays EVE (and has to deal with goddamn SOV timers) thinks the SOV mechanics are utter crap. And let's face it. Isk faucets are bad for the game. PC was a poorly-timed ISK faucet. Now it needs to be profitable on a per-battle basis. With the SOV-holding corp getting bonus bux for each battle, but blaming Kane is disingenuous, After all... You all never needed help for your corps to torch themselves.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4495	Posted - 2014.08.29 02:02:00 - [26] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: Kane personally ruined PC for me, in his attempt to break Nyain, so he could backstab them, like they tried to do to AE, emphasis on tried. And the Drama nomination for this waaahmmy goes to... Hakyou Brutor, for exquisite QQ in a "God I hate that Goon Bastard" thread! Take a bow Hakyou, and may the judges view your entry favorably. What is weird is that Kane is likely the one that pushed for the mechanics that allowed PC to be such an elite gamemode. Without those mechanics those paychecks wouldn't have been possible. Wait... Hang on. clunky district lock timers... work like stront bay timers... with passive ISk rivalling moongoo for comparative income... Nope. Sorry It's mini Dominion Sov mechanics ported to DUST. And pretty much everyone who plays EVE (and has to deal with goddamn SOV timers) thinks the SOV mechanics are utter crap. And let's face it. Isk faucets are bad for the game. PC was a poorly-timed ISK faucet. Now it needs to be profitable on a per-battle basis. With the SOV-holding corp getting bonus bux for each battle, but blaming Kane is disingenuous, After all... You all never needed help for your corps to torch themselves. Didn't apply to us. We actually stuck together. The key was district locking though with the ** mechanics. The mechanics made it possible for 3 or 4 teams to dominate 245 districts. It sounds crazy but that basically how it panned out. The ISK faucet stayed the same for nearly a year after blowing the whistle on what was going to happen. CCP's answer to the ISK faucet piped to the top 1% players of Dust? Removal of BPOs and an ISK sink in FW. It makes you cringe when you think about how badly CCP botched damn near everything after 5/14/13. Level 4 Forum Warrior** Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Moronic Farce Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 248	Posted - 2014.08.29 02:22:00 - [27] - Quote Didn't we just have one of these threads? Man I feel kind of bad for Kain actually, guy did more to try to help Dust than anyone and you all think he sabotaged it and we don't care enough about Dust to give him props so he just gets nothing. Oh well at least he finds it humorous. A clone in your merc quarters is worth two in ambush.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2374	Posted - 2014.08.29 02:48:00 - [28] - Quote Moronic Farce wrote: Didn't we just have one of these threads? Man I feel kind of bad for Kain actually, guy did more to try to help Dust than anyone and you all think he sabotaged it and we don't care enough about Dust to give him props so he just gets nothing. Oh well at least he finds it humorous. humor is the only thing left to see here.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 1029	Posted - 2014.08.29 05:22:00 - [29] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: killing passive isk was a good thing. killing passive without a better alternative than what we have now was a horrible thing. Fix the Lag in PC and Hit detection... Then a lot of people will play PC... Lag killed PC Auto aim and scanners already broke PC. Buff base health, nerf plates and extenders into the ground, remove auto aim
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 1029	Posted - 2014.08.29 05:26:00 - [30] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: At least lag is not biased. Either both sides have horrendous lag...of neither does. Unless you are playing Lyin' Nyain. Region servers are most certainly biased, otherwise complaining about lag is pre-1.3.



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