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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:17:00 -
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Yay you cater to farmers and solve none of the core issues wrong with FW.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:12:00 -
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iKILLu osborne wrote:True Adamance wrote:Yay you cater to farmers and solve none of the core issues wrong with FW.
oh shut up you don't even play dust
I however am and always will be a huge proponent of all things Amarrian and FW.
I'm not letting you suckers continue bastardising FW and demanding it have an effect on EVE. Having seen it from both sides I can understand why EVE players don't care to interact with us.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:28:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:True Adamance wrote:Yay you cater to farmers and solve none of the core issues wrong with FW.
Please elaborate.
All your model has done is increase the player base...... and adds content to be earnt in game. So what you get is periodic cycles of players farming one FW for X content for an hour before moving on to another.
But it does not solve core issues.
Does not encourage loyalty, no loyalty system at all was mentioned. Players should be encouraged to stick with single factions for extended periods of time and become invested in their successes and failures.
Does not mention specified deployments. Specific planets, systems, regions. Players need to be able to target specific locations. Currently FW means very little to the average EVE pilots......and it could mean so much more. Dust modifiers alter the system wide requirements for victory points allows Dusters to drop contestation rates by 10% or buffer them by 10%..... this could mean so much to EVE players if they know Dusters are round the clock defending their systems alongside them or attacking systems to make the invasion easier.
Does not provide flexible features for corporate use making FW more practical. Its currently an ISK sink..... it should not be. It should be possible to make profit from FW Dust side like I do EVE side. Not to mention that FW systems tend to provide the following modifications/ bonuses.
- Owning an FW system allows you to base of our that system, not owning mean you must dock/base elsewhere. A system is like a fortress.
- Owning an FW system currently makes Industry, Clone replacements, etc cheapers. A system is economically valuable
- Donating LP to a Systems makes it harder for the enemy to take and increases LP pay outs for everyone plexing in the system as well as increasing T status. Thus selfless donation and investment in the Miltia benefits everyone and encourages co-operating between militia groups while paying back out in LP 2-3x over.
As I see it your system would fundamentally place the emphasis on simply farming for what you want and not sticking around with your chosen faction.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.28 22:21:00 -
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:true is right, there are so many things that could and should be done with fw, we need the ability to choose the systems and districts we want to defend and attack above all other things, however i do like your idea of no lp for any participant that cant score 250 wp. we need sandbox districts we can populate at will each individual dust player should have to buy their own personal stock of clones and base from where the clones reside. and corporations that do fw should have to sign up like eve pilots do, no flip floping sides every other battle
I mean I'll take the lastest example from the Amarr/ Minmatar Warzone.
Burn Huola.
If you don't know about it I shall explain.
Huola is a system resting in the Devoid Region which is traditionally an Amarrian held Region. It is a central corridor through the Warzone from Amarr through to Minmatar space. However this system has been held by the Minmatar Militia and has not be captured for about 3-4 years and many Millions or Billions of Minmatar assets were held in the systems Hangars.
The System is always Buffered to T5 and always has a Minmatar and Pirate presence active in system which is why it has been called "Fortress Huola" for such a long time.
Recent with WINMATAR's flip to the Amarr Militia post civil war they announced their intent to take the system. As a result J4LP, Amarrian Vengeance, PIE Inc, Black Watch, and most other Amarr FW factions commited a great portion of their resources to the Siege of Huola, otherwise known as "Burn Huola", with the intent to head shot the system.
The Siege itself lasted the better part of 5 weeks.
Every Amarrian Corporation established a POS, stocked them up with Billions of ISK of ships, and laid siege to the system to contest every plex. EVE Man hours put into the Siege would have been in the thousands, the costs of ships lost in ISK was immense number into the tens of billions.
While I was flying I heard one of the FC's ask about the Dust modifiers and what it did. Delighted the modifier was positive and we required 10% less VP to take the system we went of plexing. 2 hours later it was in favour of the Minmatar he basically wondered what the **** Dusters were doing...... to which I explained the having a competent squad deployed to Huola was going to be a matter of luck since we couldn't control where we deployed.
Looking back at the stats we had control fluctuate, and reports from dusters of 1/4 battles being in Huola.
Now if everyone in the Min and Amarr FW dust Militias knew about Huola they might have all deployed there around the clock as well....... they did not so all that happened to the Dust modifier was constant fluctuations.
Plenty of stories came out of EVE about the Siege but none came out of Dust.
A Solid ownership of the timer for the Amarr could have been the morale boost we needed to take the system once and for all only requiring 90% VP to take the system, or it could have helped the Minmatar end the siege weeks early.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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