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Duke Noobiam
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
142
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:19:00 -
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To my fellow logis and (other uplink droppers)
Please do not drop uplinks in Ambush or Ambush OMS. I know they are a great way to earn war points, but they are a hindrance to the team and therefore winning for the following reasons...
1. Smart Deploy forces you to deploy to available uplinks.
2. Uplinks get camped. This is not really a problem in other game modes because killing clones is not the only objective, but in Ambush uplinks can be camped without worrying about objectives.
So please, remove the uplink from your dropsuits when playing Ambush. Carry nanohives, scanners, needles, repair tools, cloaks, just no uplinks
How do you kill that which has no life?
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Riruodo
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:25:00 -
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so, run droplinks for tons of cheap wp? mwahahahahahaha
jk jk. I don't run ambush, like ever. it's suicide for anyone under 2 million sp.
My other car is Utena
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
1043
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:27:00 -
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screw you. i put them in logical places where they won't get camped and sometimes never found
oh rattatiiiiiii!!!!  take uplinks out of ambush!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! QQ!!
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1396
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:29:00 -
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Since when does smart deploy force the spawn to happen on an uplink? |
RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
394
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:30:00 -
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I do what i want
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Duke Noobiam
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
142
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:32:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:screw you. i put them in logical places where they won't get camped and sometimes never found oh rattatiiiiiii!!!! take uplinks out of ambush!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! QQ!!
lol...
Do you ROFL when you get 400 Wps from uplinks in 30 seconds while your teammates (and you likely) are getting spawn killed.
I can't stop you, but don't kid yourself. You are hurting you and your team's chance of winning for a few WPs.
How do you kill that which has no life?
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Duke Noobiam
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
142
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:35:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Since when does smart deploy force the spawn to happen on an uplink?
Once you have selected an uplink from the map, you will be forced to deploy from an uplink. If there are only one or two uplinks right next to each other then you are ******
How do you kill that which has no life?
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
646
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:39:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:To my fellow logis and (other uplink droppers)
Please do not drop uplinks in Ambush or Ambush OMS. I know they are a great way to earn war points, but they are a hindrance to the team and therefore winning for the following reasons...
1. Smart Deploy forces you to deploy to available uplinks.
2. Uplinks get camped. This is not really a problem in other game modes because killing clones is not the only objective, but in Ambush uplinks can be camped without worrying about objectives.
So please, remove the uplink from your dropsuits when playing Ambush. Carry nanohives, scanners, needles, repair tools, cloaks, just no uplinks
#1 needs to be addressed.. smart deploy should not force us to spawn on uplinks :/
[[LogiBro in Training]]
Level 1 Forum Pariah
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
646
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:40:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:Since when does smart deploy force the spawn to happen on an uplink? Once you have selected an uplink from the map, you will be forced to deploy from an uplink. If there are only one or two uplinks right next to each other then you are ******
i can vouch for this.. happeend to me earlier.. like 50% clones remaining i gave up and stopped spawning
[[LogiBro in Training]]
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
394
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:44:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:
Do you ROFL when you get 400 Wps from uplinks in 30 seconds while your teammates (and you likely) are getting spawn killed.
I don't ROFL, but I'm happy about those 400 WP
Duke Noobiam wrote:
You are hurting you and your team's chance of winning for a few WPs.
You damn right I am. If I'm playing ambush it means I'm not in a squad, which means I care not about your KD/R or winning/losing, I care only for SP and ISK |
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1314
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:52:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:screw you. i put them in logical places where they won't get camped and sometimes never found oh rattatiiiiiii!!!! take uplinks out of ambush!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! QQ!!
You can put them up your ass for all I care. Uplinks are just fcking campfires in ambush.
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
Fix supply depots
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J4yne C0bb
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
727
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:55:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:screw you. i put them in logical places where they won't get camped and sometimes never found oh rattatiiiiiii!!!! take uplinks out of ambush!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! QQ!!
Yeah, this. Since Smart Deploy frequently acts like a moron, I spawn in, cloak, and run to the opposite side of the map, so that mercs aren't forced to spawn where that dumbass Scotty tells them.
However, OP is correct in some ways -- If you run uplinks in Ambush, don't be a dumbass and just chuck them anywhere. Put them in protected, secluded areas of the map. This way, 1) vehicle operators on your side can spawn in away from the action so they can call their tanks/ADSs in, 2) mercs that are being stupidly deployed can re-group elsewhere, instead of AFKing.
Min Logi | aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
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Cruor Abominare
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
139
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:55:00 -
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Nope always gonna drop me some uplinks. gotta top that leader board for the payout. I'll be nice and at least drop them in ready to flank the enemy spots if it makes you feel any better. But honestly if I'm running ambush im doing it to abuse the sp and isk/hour so being a logi ***** is the best way to do that in ambush.
I do giggle a little when I walk out of an ambush with like 350K+ because I had nearly 3k points from uplinks when our team was just getting murdered. |
DozersMouse XIII
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
877
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:56:00 -
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what's ambush?
M.A.G. Platinum trophy holder
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1064
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:58:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:To my fellow logis and (other uplink droppers)
Please do not drop uplinks in Ambush or Ambush OMS. I know they are a great way to earn war points, but they are a hindrance to the team and therefore winning for the following reasons...
1. Smart Deploy forces you to deploy to available uplinks.
2. Uplinks get camped. This is not really a problem in other game modes because killing clones is not the only objective, but in Ambush uplinks can be camped without worrying about objectives.
So please, remove the uplink from your dropsuits when playing Ambush. Carry nanohives, scanners, needles, repair tools, cloaks, just no uplinks
Frankly, this is the kind of thinking that makes Ambush such a brainless mode. The problem is not uplinks, the problem is lemming like behavior. The best thing you can do to prevent spawn camping is to have uplinks, to deploy them strategically and to defend them.
My frustration occurs when my team is getting smashed, lets say by Heavies in the city, I'll break out and deploy uplinks, on high ground with open space and overlapping fields of fire. Then people spawn in and run back into the deathtrap I worked to get them out of.
Because, that's why.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
934
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:18:00 -
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DozersMouse XIII wrote:what's ambush?
It's an acronym for "a mercenary battle using stupid hotdrops"
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
219
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:23:00 -
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Well placed drop uplinks can win even an ambush match, though particularly ambush OMS. Sure having them camped can lose the battle, but I've seen worse things from smart deploy. If there are multiple drop uplinks, I will only go to one once if it is camped. With smart deploy, your only option is not to deploy until there is nobody in the field so smart deploy deploys you to a new location. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
1940
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:30:00 -
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Correction, if you run uplinks then be a dedicated uplink dropper.
I run around to a far place on the opposite side of any other links or spawn points and keep moving the links around the board to allow for players to flank.
I think I do a decent job and from what I see most all the team is able to stay up.
However, unless something got broke last hotfix there is a difference in smart deploy and link deploy.
Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!
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medomai grey
WarRavens
931
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:34:00 -
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Uplinks spread across the map can help your team escape from being stomped the moment they spawn in.
However most people who use uplinks in ambush drop them near the mass of blues, where smart deploy spawns blues, making them completely pointless.
What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1157
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:35:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:To my fellow logis and (other uplink droppers)
Please do not drop uplinks in Ambush or Ambush OMS. I know they are a great way to earn war points, but they are a hindrance to the team and therefore winning for the following reasons...
1. Smart Deploy forces you to deploy to available uplinks.
2. Uplinks get camped. This is not really a problem in other game modes because killing clones is not the only objective, but in Ambush uplinks can be camped without worrying about objectives.
So please, remove the uplink from your dropsuits when playing Ambush. Carry nanohives, scanners, needles, repair tools, cloaks, just no uplinks
1) No, it doesn't - this is a graphical effect. Smart deploy almost always deploys you to the highest concentration of your allies (provided a certain minimum is hit) if all of your allies end up getting 'wiped' from an area, even if an uplink is there it will spawn you elsewhere. hit the ****ing triangle button if you don't want to use an uplink.
2) Actually, it's a bigger problem in other game modes as it's entirely possible to only give one location to spawn (outside of the redline) and then just murder anyone who spawns there for days while a token force keeps the rest redlined. In ambush even if an uplink gets capped the games end fast and you probably lose no more than 3-5 suits which is entirely sustainable if you choose to make intelligent choices when you notice what's happening.
In short, you're wrong.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
2760
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:35:00 -
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There is another side of the coin, sometime have an uplink is better than smart spawn.
BTW, in ambush 90% of the time only stupidity is the cause of getting rekt.
PSN: ogamega
"Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items"
LOCK REGIONS
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
1046
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:35:00 -
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remove logis from ambush lol
its like friendly fire is on. for nobody except logis
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
3588
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:42:00 -
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So I shouldn't flank the enemy mob, and strategically place uplinks so my team can get the upper hand?
Interesting...
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1315
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:45:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:So I shouldn't flank the enemy mob, and strategically place uplinks so my team can get the upper hand?
Interesting...
Some people keep talking like that but I have yet to see a smartly placed uplink. Seriously what time of day and what server do you guys play on; cause I can play ambush all day on automatic and not once see an uplink placed in a good spot.
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
Fix supply depots
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
1081
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:04:00 -
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I've found if you are active with them and protect them when they are down you can control where people are spawning. Some times everyone suddenly spawning behind the enemy is exactly what the team needed. Only keep one active and be ready to drop a fresh one to cancel the previous one out if you suddenly start gaining lots of WP.
Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.
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Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
219
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:18:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:One Eyed King wrote:So I shouldn't flank the enemy mob, and strategically place uplinks so my team can get the upper hand?
Interesting... Some people keep talking like that but I have yet to see a smartly placed uplink. Seriously what time of day and what server do you guys play on; cause I can play ambush all day on automatic and not once see an uplink placed in a good spot.
I can think of a number of battles back before 1.7 where i used my min-logi infiltrator fit to go behind the enemy lines and lay a couple of drop uplinks and start hacking objectives and that turned the tide of the battle from a sure loss to a close win, or a total stomp to a more respectable loss. Since 1.7, I have not done it much, but have still pulled it off or watched others on my team do it.
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Nikita Of Caldari
duna corp
5
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:27:00 -
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I agree. might as well just take uplinks out of the mode OR guarantee a deployment zone that is free of enemy's threat.
Rawrzuh Rawrzuh
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
3999
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:37:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:To my fellow logis and (other uplink droppers)
Please do not drop uplinks in Ambush or Ambush OMS. I know they are a great way to earn war points, but they are a hindrance to the team and therefore winning for the following reasons...
1. Smart Deploy forces you to deploy to available uplinks.
2. Uplinks get camped. This is not really a problem in other game modes because killing clones is not the only objective, but in Ambush uplinks can be camped without worrying about objectives.
So please, remove the uplink from your dropsuits when playing Ambush. Carry nanohives, scanners, needles, repair tools, cloaks, just no uplinks
Nope i still choose to put uplinks on top of rooftops in Ambush OMS just to simply annoy the opposition to fight my team that is camping there.
They say when you die you see a white light which then forms the line of:
"GAME OVER! PLEASE INSERT COIN"
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Atiim
11664
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:42:00 -
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This is not true.
While bad players placing Uplinks into bad places will always cause your team to get camped, someone placing multiple links far away from the battlefield means that you have somewhere else to spawn that doesn't utilize the "Smart" Deploy feature.
AFAIK, the Smart Spawn doesn't actually spawn on where a Drop Uplink is. It may show the animation, but you almost always spawn in a different location.
DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1761
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:50:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:
1) No, it doesn't - this is a graphical effect. Smart deploy almost always deploys you to the highest concentration of your allies (provided a certain minimum is hit) if all of your allies end up getting 'wiped' from an area, even if an uplink is there it will spawn you elsewhere. hit the ****ing triangle button if you don't want to use an uplink.
I am pretty sure MINA is correct on this one. Whe you use smart deploy even though you get count down circle around the uplink you'll notice that you often spawn no where near said uplink. The spawn seems to be working "correctly" in that it puts you with the largest concentration of your team mates
Now it may be that the largest concentration of your team mates is at a camped uplink, since they have all been spawning there, but I don't think that is a smart deploy error rather an indication that the whole smart deploy system needs a revamp.
Fun > Realism
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