DUST Search - I'll buy AUR if you give Gallente Assault a USEFUL AR bonus

Auris Lionesse wrote:

they can do whatever bonuses they want, itll still be wrong until gallente and caldari get blanket bonuses to all hybrid weapons.
caldari get the same bonuses to blasters in eve as they get for rails and gallente get the same bonuses for rails that they get for blasters.

they can both use them interchangeably if they choose.
gal just gets dps themed bonuses and caldari get range themed bonuses. doesnt change the fact that they both share hybrids equally and should in dust also. i should get a range bonus on my shotgun in a caldari suit and a dps bonus on my rr in a gal suit. thats how it works in eve and this game is part of eve and is part of the new eden unvierse.

theres not a ship in eve that gets bonuses to only rails or only blasters. it doesnt make sense that it works like that here. its wrong.

these are the bonuses for a gallente Astarte

Command Ships bonuses (per skill level):
7.5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret rate of fire
10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret falloff
3% bonus to Armored Warfare and Skirmish Warfare Links effectiveness
Gallente Battlecruiser bonuses (per skill level):
7.5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage
7.5% bonus to Armor Repairer amount
Role Bonus:
GÇó Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously

youll notice no where does it say blasters. the rof, falloff, and damage bonus apply to railguns as well as blasters.
there is no differentiation between the two.

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bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1042	Posted - 2014.08.27 19:07:00 - [1] - Quote I'm serious. I'll buy the Gallente pack or something. That would just make me soil myself if my AR was actually viable. *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 2956	Posted - 2014.08.27 19:26:00 - [2] - Quote bamboo x wrote: I'm serious. I'll buy the Gallente pack or something. That would just make me soil myself if my AR was actually viable. I would be happy but I wouldn't buy aurum I've already bought enough in the past supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1048	Posted - 2014.08.27 20:41:00 - [3] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: bamboo x wrote: I'm serious. I'll buy the Gallente pack or something. That would just make me soil myself if my AR was actually viable. I would be happy but I wouldn't buy aurum I've already bought enough in the past i have money to burn i always do stupid ** like buying a subway so i might as well buy aurum instead but to be honest i have been on the fence about liking CCP's direction for a while now so... yeah im under the impression i'll never spend money (or a lot of time) on this game again i would just be insanely satisfied with a useful assault rifle Eternal Beings** - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2342	Posted - 2014.08.27 22:04:00 - [4] - Quote bamboo x wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: bamboo x wrote: I'm serious. I'll buy the Gallente pack or something. That would just make me soil myself if my AR was actually viable. I would be happy but I wouldn't buy aurum I've already bought enough in the past i have money to burn i always do stupid **** like buying a subway so i might as well buy aurum instead but to be honest i have been on the fence about liking CCP's direction for a while now so... yeah im under the impression i'll never spend money (or a lot of time) on this game again i would just be insanely satisfied with a useful assault rifle rattati's talking about upping the AR damage per bullet. I think that might make people pick up the 'ol duvolles again.
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 102	Posted - 2014.08.27 22:27:00 - [5] - Quote Just a thought I've had ...ratatti mentioned increasing the dispersion of RR hip fire. What if the gal assault n cal assault swaped bonuses. Giving the newly increased dispersion RR a counter in its assault..and giving gallente assault the reload bonus no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1052	Posted - 2014.08.28 00:29:00 - [6] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Just a thought I've had ...ratatti mentioned increasing the dispersion of RR hip fire. What if the gal assault n cal assault swaped bonuses. Giving the newly increased dispersion RR a counter in its assault..and giving gallente assault the reload bonus that's a crappy bonus for the AR. *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 937	Posted - 2014.08.28 00:35:00 - [7] - Quote they can do whatever bonuses they want, itll still be wrong until gallente and caldari get blanket bonuses to all hybrid weapons. caldari get the same bonuses to blasters in eve as they get for rails and gallente get the same bonuses for rails that they get for blasters. they can both use them interchangeably if they choose. gal just gets dps themed bonuses and caldari get range themed bonuses. doesnt change the fact that they both share hybrids equally and should in dust also. i should get a range bonus on my shotgun in a caldari suit and a dps bonus on my rr in a gal suit. thats how it works in eve and this game is part of eve and is part of the new eden unvierse. theres not a ship in eve that gets bonuses to only rails or only blasters. it doesnt make sense that it works like that here. its wrong. Don't vote for iron wolf saber. Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1052	Posted - 2014.08.28 00:39:00 - [8] - Quote eve sux bro no. gallente use gallente weapons because they kill shields faster. and caldari use caldari weapons because they kill armor faster. *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 937	Posted - 2014.08.28 00:43:00 - [9] - Quote bamboo x wrote: eve sux bro no. gallente use gallente weapons because they kill shields faster. and caldari use caldari weapons because they kill armor faster. hybrids are both gallente weapons and caldari weapons. clearly you dont know what your talking about. Don't vote for iron wolf saber. Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1052	Posted - 2014.08.28 00:45:00 - [10] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: bamboo x wrote: eve sux bro no. gallente use gallente weapons because they kill shields faster. and caldari use caldari weapons because they kill armor faster. hybrids are both gallente weapons and caldari weapons. clearly you dont know what your talking about. not in dust. go look at the factional LP store *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.

Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 938	Posted - 2014.08.28 00:49:00 - [11] - Quote here is the caldari vulture Command Ships bonuses (per skill level): 10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret optimal range 10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage 3% bonus to Siege Warfare and Information Warfare Links effectiveness Caldari Battlecruiser bonuses (per skill level): 10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret optimal range 4% bonus to all shield resistances Role Bonus: GÇó Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously x2 optimal range bonuses and a damage bonus for all hybrid weapons. not rails, not blasters. rails And blasters. no differentiation. Don't vote for iron wolf saber. Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 938	Posted - 2014.08.28 00:51:00 - [12] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: bamboo x wrote: eve sux bro no. gallente use gallente weapons because they kill shields faster. and caldari use caldari weapons because they kill armor faster. hybrids are both gallente weapons and caldari weapons. clearly you dont know what your talking about. not in dust. go look at the factional LP store dust is currently wrong and needs to be fixed. look at the title of the game in the upper left hand corner of your screen. EVE Dust 514 Don't vote for iron wolf saber. Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3996	Posted - 2014.08.28 08:42:00 - [13] - Quote how about a RoF buff? :) B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1158	Posted - 2014.08.28 09:35:00 - [14] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: how about a RoF buff? :) As long as the changes are placed directly on the assault rifle I'm more than fine with it. But if the changes are done to the assault suit to prop up the rifle I'm less than enthused. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 652	Posted - 2014.08.28 09:38:00 - [15] - Quote OP is a gimp.. just got for Dual Assault SMG on Minmatar assault.. OP 100 bullet clips FTW! [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3998	Posted - 2014.08.28 09:47:00 - [16] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: how about a RoF buff? :) As long as the changes are placed directly on the assault rifle I'm more than fine with it. But if the changes are done to the assault suit to prop up the rifle I'm less than enthused. nah i like the idea of buffing the AR but giving the gal assaults a RoF buff personally. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1158	Posted - 2014.08.28 10:33:00 - [17] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: how about a RoF buff? :) As long as the changes are placed directly on the assault rifle I'm more than fine with it. But if the changes are done to the assault suit to prop up the rifle I'm less than enthused. nah i like the idea of buffing the AR but giving the gal assaults a RoF buff personally. I disagree with that, I think the current gallente bonuses are very powerful and useful but because they're not as say glaringly apparent as '+50% damage all the time!' people don't really value them as much. I firmly believe that Assault suits should be about improved performance and handling, rather than just going 'you do more damage in all situations', and that is how assault suits are currently designed. To put it this way, I once saw a big 'game design' discussion from riot games, where they talked about 'aura' items - things that provide a benefit to you, and a moderate benefit to any allies around you. For example let's just create a 'dust' version of one of those - a module that when equipped, gives a passive +2 armor repair / -15% shield delay to anyone in your squad, no matter where they are on the map. People will go 'that's terrible' and 'it's not powerful enough!'... but when you look at it, it's giving the bonuses of two additional basic modules to everyone in your squad no matter where they are. Essentially what it boiled down to in the discussion is that for 'passive' or 'non-visible' things to be considered 'good' (even though statistically speaking the benefit provided from them is amazing) people's perception mandates that the bonus has to be absolutely overpowering to be acknowledged as being 'good'. The gallente assault already gets two bonuses that are quite powerful (yay free sharpshooter 5 with plasma weapons just for skilling into a suit and kick reductions!) compared to amarr / minmatar bonuses that are really only regarded as so good because they cannot be found anywhere else. I know if I was offered a 5% kick reduction to rail weaponry on caldari assaults in addition to the reload I'd take it in a heartbeat because it is very powerful. tl;dr RoF bonus on gallente assault is way too good. Linking the riot thread if you'd care to have a read, I don't expect it to make sense if you don't play the game. http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=293417 Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3998	Posted - 2014.08.28 10:43:00 - [18] - Quote i don't think the RoF needs to be "way too good." A RoF buff would replace the bonus...not add to it. The gal assault bonuses have varying degrees of usefulness based on what weapon being affected. However the other portion of the post was interesting. cheers B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1055	Posted - 2014.08.28 10:56:00 - [19] - Quote get the hell out of my thread you ***** anti-gallente fags Eternal Beings** - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 2956	Posted - 2014.08.28 11:11:00 - [20] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: they can do whatever bonuses they want, itll still be wrong until gallente and caldari get blanket bonuses to all hybrid weapons. caldari get the same bonuses to blasters in eve as they get for rails and gallente get the same bonuses for rails that they get for blasters. they can both use them interchangeably if they choose. gal just gets dps themed bonuses and caldari get range themed bonuses. doesnt change the fact that they both share hybrids equally and should in dust also. i should get a range bonus on my shotgun in a caldari suit and a dps bonus on my rr in a gal suit. thats how it works in eve and this game is part of eve and is part of the new eden unvierse. theres not a ship in eve that gets bonuses to only rails or only blasters. it doesnt make sense that it works like that here. its wrong. these are the bonuses for a gallente Astarte Command Ships bonuses (per skill level): 7.5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret rate of fire 10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret falloff 3% bonus to Armored Warfare and Skirmish Warfare Links effectiveness Gallente Battlecruiser bonuses (per skill level): 7.5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage 7.5% bonus to Armor Repairer amount Role Bonus: GÇó Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously youll notice no where does it say blasters. the rof, falloff, and damage bonus apply to railguns as well as blasters. there is no differentiation between the two. actually I have a better example for you look at the incubus, it has bonuses to both rail and blasters :) supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 951	Posted - 2014.08.28 22:58:00 - [21] - Quote im not anti gallente. gallente has always been my race of choice. followed by a tie between amarr and caldari. i just want to be able to use my gallente suit as dictated by the fundamentals of eve. meaning access to the full array of hybrid weapons in my bonus. Don't vote for iron wolf saber. Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1354	Posted - 2014.08.28 23:09:00 - [22] - Quote bamboo x wrote: I'm serious. I'll buy the Gallente pack or something. That would just make me soil myself if my AR was actually viable. You make a good point, however the AR is the second most hated weapon in Dust because ... it was the go to weapon for many situations. While not perfect for one role it was good in many. Thus, it was deemed OP by the QQ crowd on these forums and CCP responded with their Nerf Hammer of Doom. At least three times too many, but that is because I am skilled in AR and cannot reset my skill tree to adjust to the ever shifting dust in New Eden. And so it goes.
Jakkal Shoobah Direct Action Resources 0	Posted - 2014.08.29 04:13:00 - [23] - Quote As MINA Longstrike said, The assault suits are meant to buff their weapon of choice, not to make it deal extensively more damage in each situation. From my experience ( just under 5 months playing dust) I have found the gal assault skill to be extremely beneficial if used correctly. You no longer have to sacrifice mobility for accuracy with it( I only have it up to level 3). You can effectively spray without praying because you know your shots will connect if you have skill and a lil' help from aim assist. Playing with ferroscale tank with damage mod and shield extenders with even a gek can make a gallente assault super ******* scary. I think its fine just the way it is.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1059	Posted - 2014.08.30 01:02:00 - [24] - Quote That's it. If you guys really think it's good enough as it is, then I'm creating an alt with passive sp that's got it and trying it out. Because honestly do you use the AR on other suits and compare it? My problem is most of the times I'm using hipfire I don't need extra accuracy. Doesn't it technically hurt you in CQC not to have that dispersion? Most of my apprehension from skilling into it is because assaults are STILL so very weak against scouts, regardless of what the people who've skilled into it say... I have witnessed it. *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.


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