So explain this. Me in a dragon fly scout with a Templar uplink. I drop my link, later on get killed by a MD (so no bleed out) go to spawn screen and see what I'm 99% sure is my link there with a 3 second timer. It's on the pipes on Ashlands with enemies below it, 1 enemy (with the MD) on the pipes near it whom I kill because he can't get to it before I respawn. Every other link on the board was 3 seconds also.

This is the problem with the Amarr links, something else is at play with link timers that causes any link with any suit (I guess, unless the dragonfly Templar link combo is bugged) to drop to 3 seconds at times. Why use the Amarr Logi specifically for links when the only real consistent bonus is the amount of spawns?

So explain this. Me in a dragon fly scout with a Templar uplink. I drop my link, later on get killed by a MD (so no bleed out) go to spawn screen and see what I'm 99% sure is my link there with a 3 second timer. It's on the pipes on Ashlands with enemies below it, 1 enemy (with the MD) on the pipes near it whom I kill because he can't get to it before I respawn. Every other link on the board was 3 seconds also.

This is the problem with the Amarr links, something else is at play with link timers that causes any link with any suit (I guess, unless the dragonfly Templar link combo is bugged) to drop to 3 seconds at times. Why use the Amarr Logi specifically for links when the only real consistent bonus is the amount of spawns?

I should totally do a TYMNK (Things You Might Not Know) video about this!

So basically as long as you don't bleed out instantly, the spawn timer will continue to count down all the way to 3 seconds.

This is so that if you choose to wait for a revive, you won't be punished by a 10 second timer after you finally bleed out. Instead, if no one can revive you, you will have a 3 second spawn anywhere...almost like a reward for being patient. It's going to take X seconds for you to spawn in anyways, so why not wait a few seconds before you decide to kill your clone and start spawning.

If your clone is instantly terminated, the timers stop counting down and you will be stuck with the long timers (up to 15 seconds)

This is why it is even more IMPORTANT to terminate enemy clones by shooting the body after they die.

I think amaar and caldari logi should keep their bonus on death, im an amaar logi and i dont even get to use my own bonus, ridiculous. Say i switch to another suit on death, yeah thats a given i should lose my bonus then.

I should totally do a TYMNK (Things You Might Not Know) video about this!

So basically as long as you don't bleed out instantly, the spawn timer will continue to count down all the way to 3 seconds.

This is so that if you choose to wait for a revive, you won't be punished by a 10 second timer after you finally bleed out. Instead, if no one can revive you, you will have a 3 second spawn anywhere...almost like a reward for being patient. It's going to take X seconds for you to spawn in anyways, so why not wait a few seconds before you decide to kill your clone and start spawning.

If your clone is instantly terminated, the timers stop counting down and you will be stuck with the long timers (up to 15 seconds)

This is why it is even more IMPORTANT to terminate enemy clones by shooting the body after they die.

was it ambush? i believe that all uplinks default to 3ish sec in ambush

http://imgur.com/LszI3Zo

Uplinks in ambush. Everyones Amarr proto right?

Haven't even checked the video picture and I know from closed beta, games of the Ambush variety have always been 3 seconds.

I have ran into sometimes where it's 5 seconds Auto Deploy but I assume that's just a bug.

Ambush negates spawn time modifiers by setting them all to 3 seconds.

Ugh -_-

So an "issue" some people are having with the Amarr Logi is that their uplink bonus doesn't apply when they switch to another suit after dropping uplinks, or if they die.

WELL NO **** IT WON'T APPLY

I don't see respected Minmatar logistics players complaining about their repair tool bonus not applying when they switch to another suit, or after they have died.

Heck, Amarr Logistics players don't even have to sacrifice their equipment to still get the bonus. In fact, they can use a suit with all uplinks, drop a ton of them, then switch out to another Amarr Logi fitting to use 3 other types of equipment while STILL getting the bonus to the uplinks they have dropped.

And the best part? Even if all of their uplinks are destroyed in-battle and their current logi suit without uplinks is destroyed, THEY DON'T LOSE THE UPLINKS FROM THEIR ASSETS. There is literally ZERO risk in running prototype uplinks, or even the LP/AUR uplink that gives a 50% reduction in spawn time.

Not to mention, uplinks are also the least expensive equipment in the marketplace by a HUGE margin.
Viziam Uplink? 6,465 isk
CreoDron Active Scanner? 11,535 isk
Core Repair Tool? 13,215 isk
Ishokone Nanohive? 17,310 isk

Heck, even the proto variants are super cheap compared to the variants for other equipment. It can cost up to 30k isk for a triage nano or flux scanner while the uplink variants cost about as much as the base prices for other equipment.

/rant

Ugh -_-

So an "issue" some people are having with the Amarr Logi is that their uplink bonus doesn't apply when they switch to another suit after dropping uplinks, or if they die.

WELL NO **** IT WON'T APPLY

I don't see respected Minmatar logistics players complaining about their repair tool bonus not applying when they switch to another suit, or after they have died.

Any uplink person with half a brain no longer runs them on an Amarr suit. Running your links on any other suit to get the actual advantage from it compared to zero advantage from the Amarr is the way to go.

Yeah, this is the bottom line. Amarr logi is supposed to be the uplink suit, but it does the uplink job worse than suits that are supposed to have other roles. How can that possibly be 'working as intended'?

That's because a Minmatar logistics player DOES get the bonus after they die. After death their equipment bonus applies in exactly the same way as it did before they died. So the reason they're not complaining is because they ALREADY HAVE what Amarr logistics players want.

That's because a Minmatar logistics player DOES get the bonus after they die. After death their equipment bonus applies in exactly the same way as it did before they died. So the reason they're not complaining is because they ALREADY HAVE what Amarr logistics players want.

With the current mechanics this is the only viable way to use an Amarr logistics. This is fine for those that just want a WP faucet, but it's no good for anyone that wants to make a positive contribution to their team. Any scout suit or min/gal logis are much more viable uplink-carrying options.

Wait, do people not know how the Amarr Logi bonus works? If your suit is no longer on the battlefield, your bonus goes away. When you are on the battlefield, the bonus COMES BACK.

As long as you keep spawning in the same suit, or if you switch to a different Amarr Logi suit, you STILL GET THE BONUS.

You can switch to an Amarr logi with a repair tool, a nanohive, and a scanner and any uplinks you drop will still be there, will still be getting the bonus, and will still be helping your team without you having to sit in a corner in the suit you dropped the uplinks in.

Are people idiots?

When I DIE, my minmtar logistics CANNOT keep repping players, therefore I CANNOT get the bonus from my repair tool until I spawn in again. It works the same way for all logistics classes, the Amarr and Caldari just get to keep their bonus without having the piece of equipment on their suit.

I'd say giving your allies different angles of attack they wouldn't have otherwise is a very positive contribution.

Most of those locations are not so much a new angle of attack as a new way of getting inertia dampener camped...

Ugh -_-

So an "issue" some people are having with the Amarr Logi is that their uplink bonus doesn't apply when they switch to another suit after dropping uplinks, or if they die.

WELL NO **** IT WON'T APPLY

I don't see respected Minmatar logistics players complaining about their repair tool bonus not applying when they switch to another suit, or after they have died.

Heck, Amarr Logistics players don't even have to sacrifice their equipment to still get the bonus. In fact, they can use a suit with all uplinks, drop a ton of them, then switch out to another Amarr Logi fitting to use 3 other types of equipment while STILL getting the bonus to the uplinks they have dropped.

And the best part? Even if all of their uplinks are destroyed in-battle and their current logi suit without uplinks is destroyed, THEY DON'T LOSE THE UPLINKS FROM THEIR ASSETS. There is literally ZERO risk in running prototype uplinks, or even the LP/AUR uplink that gives a 50% reduction in spawn time.

Not to mention, uplinks are also the least expensive equipment in the marketplace by a HUGE margin.
Viziam Uplink? 6,465 isk
CreoDron Active Scanner? 11,535 isk
Core Repair Tool? 13,215 isk
Ishokone Nanohive? 17,310 isk

Heck, even the proto variants are super cheap compared to the variants for other equipment. It can cost up to 30k isk for a triage nano or flux scanner while the uplink variants cost about as much as the base prices for other equipment.

/rant