DUST Search - Side Arm Balance: Merging the Threads

Temias Mercurial wrote:

Erasmus Konstantin wrote:

THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote:

Erasmus Konstantin wrote:

I like where we're going with the RoF boost to the bolt pistol, but the charge time between shots needs to go. No other automatic rail weapon works like that and it really cuts the dps as shown in the google doc. By all means leave the initial charge time in, in line with the other rail weapons.

I wonder if buffing the hipfire would be going too far. I use the bolt pistol a lot, sometimes as a primary for fun, and while it is deadly pinpoint accurate in ADS, it could benefit a little bit more in CQC from having similar hipfire to the scrambler pistol. Both have similar crosshair bloom when continuously firing, but having that first shot accuracy be that much more accurate would lend it more of that 'skillshot' feel.

Considering the initial charge time, you really need to make that first shot count, especially in close quarters.

The charge between shots is the only thing keeping that weapon from being OP. Take that away and you got a mini semi auto sniper.

The charge mechanic is pointless when you can just change the RoF, it would make it more in line with the other railguns. Also the bolt pistol is already fully automatic, just slow. You would still have the initial charge when you release the trigger and pull it again.

At standard, with a base of 135 damage, it would become overpowered. There's no question to it. If you were to increase the RoF, then the maximum would be 5-10% increase. Perhaps increasing the magazine by 1-2 rounds would be nice, but it's balanced as is. People just don't tend to like non-spray-and-pray weapons. It's excellent in the right hands.

Other rail weapons do work like that btw, with the charge between shots (maybe it doesn't actually charge, but it works the exact same way with it's RoF on turrets). It's just that it isn't displayed with the rail turrets. Once 'charged', you have a set amount of time inbetween shots that are either charging, or simply have a low RoF. There is essentially no difference...


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MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1162	Posted - 2014.08.29 21:05:00 - [1] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: Erasmus Konstantin wrote: THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote: Erasmus Konstantin wrote: I like where we're going with the RoF boost to the bolt pistol, but the charge time between shots needs to go. No other automatic rail weapon works like that and it really cuts the dps as shown in the google doc. By all means leave the initial charge time in, in line with the other rail weapons. I wonder if buffing the hipfire would be going too far. I use the bolt pistol a lot, sometimes as a primary for fun, and while it is deadly pinpoint accurate in ADS, it could benefit a little bit more in CQC from having similar hipfire to the scrambler pistol. Both have similar crosshair bloom when continuously firing, but having that first shot accuracy be that much more accurate would lend it more of that 'skillshot' feel. Considering the initial charge time, you really need to make that first shot count, especially in close quarters. The charge between shots is the only thing keeping that weapon from being OP. Take that away and you got a mini semi auto sniper. The charge mechanic is pointless when you can just change the RoF, it would make it more in line with the other railguns. Also the bolt pistol is already fully automatic, just slow. You would still have the initial charge when you release the trigger and pull it again. At standard, with a base of 135 damage, it would become overpowered. There's no question to it. If you were to increase the RoF, then the maximum would be 5-10% increase. Perhaps increasing the magazine by 1-2 rounds would be nice, but it's balanced as is. People just don't tend to like non-spray-and-pray weapons. It's excellent in the right hands. Other rail weapons do work like that btw, with the charge between shots (maybe it doesn't actually charge, but it works the exact same way with it's RoF on turrets). It's just that it isn't displayed with the rail turrets. Once 'charged', you have a set amount of time inbetween shots that are either charging, or simply have a low RoF. There is essentially no difference... If the bolt pistol didn't charge between shots it would do 435 dps or somewhere around that (this is perfectly okay for a 6 shot pistol with really high kick). Because the bolt pistol does charge between shots it loses a lot of its dps. Buffing it to be viable in no way makes it overpowered, bolt pistols show up about as often as ion pistols do in the killfeed because they are drastically underpowered. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1165	Posted - 2014.08.29 22:48:00 - [2] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Nova Knives - With the latest buff they have become the nearest thing to a modern day flaylock, i.e. a sidearm widely used as a primary weapon. Seeing people get a lot of 30 or 40 kill games with them. Maybe the increase in range brought in in Charlie should be rolled back a little so it's less of a 'shotgun in a sidearm slot'. You want to remove the one thing that made nova knives enjoyable to use? Do they have to be OP for them to be enjoyable to use? Plenty of people had fun with them before. And in any case, I'm not saying put them back to exactly how they used to be, just dial it back a little. It should be possible to get 40 kill games with a sidearm but not easy like it is now with NKs. It's easier to get a 40kill game with a shotgun. If nova knives had a 10m range I could agree that they're OP, they don't and they actually take a lot of effort to get up that close. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.