DUST Search - dampening and scouts

Maken Tosch wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

maluble wrote:

An ammar proto scout would only need one percision enhancer to pick me up if I have 3 complex dampeners and pro cloak, how is that sacrificing all slots? So once again someone not having all the info before placing their input.

Why dont u do math yourself before posting would have saved us both time.

Where the hell are you getting your numbers?

Again HERE is the spreadsheet.

Look at the Amarr Section, under 1 Complex Dampener. It reads 21.6 dB, which rounds to 22 dB.

Now look at the Minmatar Section. With 1 Complex Dampener, you get 23. 6 dB and if you throw on a proto cloak you get 21.24 dB, which rounds to 21 OR you can fit 2 Complex Dampeners and you will get 18.5 dB, which rounds to 19 dB and YOU BEAT THE AMARR WITH ONE COMPLEX DAMPENER.

maluble wrote:

Three complex dampeners with pro cloak on min scout gets me down to 10.5 db which is .5 over what I need to not be scanned by pro ammar, and thats only with cloak activated.

Why dont u do math yourself before posting would have saved us both time.

FYI, if you fit 3 Complex Dampeners on your Minja and are cloaked with proto, you get 14.3 dB, which rounds to 14 dB. Not 10.5.

Lastly, it took me 2 minutes to find these numbers, while I am at work. So even that part of your theory is wrong.

I can understand having wrong numbers the first time, but perpetuating these wrong numbers AFTER I already showed you the official CCP spreadsheet that explains everything is a new level of hardheadedness.

One doesn't simply argue against math.

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maluble Espi0nage 40	Posted - 2014.08.24 20:47:00 - [1] - Quote This is to clear up some things that were said in a previous thread I posted about changing min scout knife bonus to dampening. Now to the moron who said "you got 3 low slots use 2 complex dampeners with cloak to beat out any scan". You can beat out all passives by doing this, thats assuming your opponent is not stacking complex percision enhancers, which you would be an idiot not too. I shouldnt have to sacrifice one side of my suit to beat out scans this is flawed, and if your a minja that really needs more knife damage then you should switch to sg. This is coming from a proto minja so I think I know what im talking about.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 3167	Posted - 2014.08.24 20:53:00 - [2] - Quote No.
Dreis Shadowweaver D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 67	Posted - 2014.08.24 20:55:00 - [3] - Quote I think the bonuses to the min scout are fine as they are, I wouldn't change either of them. Well, I once meleed an R.E.... I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Dreis Shadowweaver D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 67	Posted - 2014.08.24 20:56:00 - [4] - Quote I think the bonuses to the min scout are fine as they are, I wouldn't change either of them. Well, I once meleed an R.E.... I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3508	Posted - 2014.08.24 21:22:00 - [5] - Quote maluble wrote: This is to clear up some things that were said in a previous thread I posted about changing min scout knife bonus to dampening. Now to the moron who said "you got 3 low slots use 2 complex dampeners with cloak to beat out any scan". You can beat out all passives by doing this, thats assuming your opponent is not stacking complex percision enhancers, which you would be an idiot not too. I shouldnt have to sacrifice one side of my suit to beat out scans this is flawed, and if your a minja that really needs more knife damage then you should switch to sg. This is coming from a proto minja so I think I know what im talking about. If your opponent is sacrificing to have max precision, you should be sacrificing to dampen. There is no amount of stacking that can beat max dampening. I have shown you the numbers from CCPs spreadsheet. You can't just make up your own facts here. I spelled things out for you line and verse, and you have absolutely no leg to stand on. If you see a discrepancy in game, that is a glitch. Report it. I am also a proto minja, have been for over a year. I have been on these forums along side other minjas fighting to make them viable long before you ever popped in. If you have legit numbers with math to back up your assertions, I am game. Otherwise, you are just making sh*t up and wasting everyone's time. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Anmol Singh G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 821	Posted - 2014.08.24 21:39:00 - [6] - Quote maluble wrote: This is to clear up some things that were said in a previous thread I posted about changing min scout knife bonus to dampening. Now to the moron who said "you got 3 low slots use 2 complex dampeners with cloak to beat out any scan". You can beat out all passives by doing this, thats assuming your opponent is not stacking complex percision enhancers, which you would be an idiot not too. I shouldnt have to sacrifice one side of my suit to beat out scans this is flawed, and if your a minja that really needs more knife damage then you should switch to sg. This is coming from a proto minja so I think I know what im talking about. Shut the kucf up! LOL. No, knife bonus must stay. *Sagaris lover!!!* Commando <3
mollerz 5094	Posted - 2014.08.24 21:59:00 - [7] - Quote maluble wrote: This is coming from a proto minja so I think I know what im talking about. Nope. You just accumulated SP. Obviously U wasted your time. Dingle Dust Berry.
maluble Espi0nage 41	Posted - 2014.08.24 22:06:00 - [8] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: maluble wrote: This is to clear up some things that were said in a previous thread I posted about changing min scout knife bonus to dampening. Now to the moron who said "you got 3 low slots use 2 complex dampeners with cloak to beat out any scan". You can beat out all passives by doing this, thats assuming your opponent is not stacking complex percision enhancers, which you would be an idiot not too. I shouldnt have to sacrifice one side of my suit to beat out scans this is flawed, and if your a minja that really needs more knife damage then you should switch to sg. This is coming from a proto minja so I think I know what im talking about. If your opponent is sacrificing to have max precision, you should be sacrificing to dampen. There is no amount of stacking that can beat max dampening. I have shown you the numbers from CCPs spreadsheet. You can't just make up your own facts here. I spelled things out for you line and verse, and you have absolutely no leg to stand on. If you see a discrepancy in game, that is a glitch. Report it. I am also a proto minja, have been for over a year. I have been on these forums along side other minjas fighting to make them viable long before you ever popped in. If you have legit numbers with math to back up your assertions, I am game. Otherwise, you are just making sh*t up and wasting everyone's time. An ammar proto scout would only need one percision enhancer to pick me up if I have 3 complex dampeners and pro cloak, how is that sacrificing all slots? So once again someone not having all the info before placing their input. Jusy because I work and have a personal life and dont spend all day on forums doesnt mean I havent been around as long as you, you want my numbers? Three complex dampeners with pro cloak on min scout gets me down to 10.5 db which is .5 over what I need to not be scanned by pro ammar, and thats only with cloak activated. Why dont u do math yourself before posting would have saved us both time.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4447	Posted - 2014.08.24 22:12:00 - [9] - Quote maluble wrote: ... and if your a minja that really needs more knife damage then you should switch to sg. MN/CA Fatties - 3 to 4 Shotgun Blasts AM/GA Fatties - 3 to 5 Shotgun Blasts You think SG hits harder than Knives? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 921	Posted - 2014.08.24 22:17:00 - [10] - Quote maluble wrote: This is to clear up some things that were said in a previous thread I posted about changing min scout knife bonus to dampening. Now to the moron who said "you got 3 low slots use 2 complex dampeners with cloak to beat out any scan". You can beat out all passives by doing this, thats assuming your opponent is not stacking complex percision enhancers, which you would be an idiot not too. I shouldnt have to sacrifice one side of my suit to beat out scans this is flawed, and if your a minja that really needs more knife damage then you should switch to sg. This is coming from a proto minja so I think I know what im talking about. You can't have it all. You must give up other potential benefits in order to receive a selected benefit; this is basics of fitting. PS: Your not stupid to forgo dampening as a scout; especially a Minmatar scout. You need to experiment with that suit more. What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?

maluble Espi0nage 41	Posted - 2014.08.24 22:18:00 - [11] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: maluble wrote: This is to clear up some things that were said in a previous thread I posted about changing min scout knife bonus to dampening. Now to the moron who said "you got 3 low slots use 2 complex dampeners with cloak to beat out any scan". You can beat out all passives by doing this, thats assuming your opponent is not stacking complex percision enhancers, which you would be an idiot not too. I shouldnt have to sacrifice one side of my suit to beat out scans this is flawed, and if your a minja that really needs more knife damage then you should switch to sg. This is coming from a proto minja so I think I know what im talking about. If your opponent is sacrificing to have max precision, you should be sacrificing to dampen. There is no amount of stacking that can beat max dampening. I have shown you the numbers from CCPs spreadsheet. You can't just make up your own facts here. I spelled things out for you line and verse, and you have absolutely no leg to stand on. If you see a discrepancy in game, that is a glitch. Report it. I am also a proto minja, have been for over a year. I have been on these forums along side other minjas fighting to make them viable long before you ever popped in. If you have legit numbers with math to back up your assertions, I am game. Otherwise, you are just making sh*t up and wasting everyone's time. Tell me exactly what my opponent is sacrificing? Ammar only need one complex percision enhancer to scan me with all my lows filed with complex damps. Gal scout only need 2 damps leaving them 2 for armour or kin cats. So please enlighten me because unles you have weak math skills I dont see how you can argue.
maluble Espi0nage 41	Posted - 2014.08.24 22:19:00 - [12] - Quote mollerz wrote: maluble wrote: This is coming from a proto minja so I think I know what im talking about. Nope. You just accumulated SP. Obviously U wasted your time. Lol I mop u up in advanced gear all the time, what are u talkin about.
maluble Espi0nage 41	Posted - 2014.08.24 22:25:00 - [13] - Quote medomai grey wrote: maluble wrote: This is to clear up some things that were said in a previous thread I posted about changing min scout knife bonus to dampening. Now to the moron who said "you got 3 low slots use 2 complex dampeners with cloak to beat out any scan". You can beat out all passives by doing this, thats assuming your opponent is not stacking complex percision enhancers, which you would be an idiot not too. I shouldnt have to sacrifice one side of my suit to beat out scans this is flawed, and if your a minja that really needs more knife damage then you should switch to sg. This is coming from a proto minja so I think I know what im talking about. You can't have it all. You must give up other potential benefits in order to receive a selected benefit; this is basics of fitting. PS: Your not stupid to forgo dampening as a scout; especially a Minmatar scout. You need to experiment with that suit more. Are you that daft? The scout that sneaks up on people with knives doesnt need damps? are you trolling or for real? Seriously people the one scout that mainly assainates entire squads (at least I do) doesnt need to be hidden on map? I run novas as a primary weapon and I dont need extra damage they are beast wihout it, I need to not be seen by other scouts without sacrificing 3 slots, 2 but not 3. Any "true" minja should agree.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9150	Posted - 2014.08.24 22:28:00 - [14] - Quote maluble wrote: This is to clear up some things that were said in a previous thread I posted about changing min scout knife bonus to dampening. Now to the moron who said "you got 3 low slots use 2 complex dampeners with cloak to beat out any scan". You can beat out all passives by doing this, thats assuming your opponent is not stacking complex percision enhancers, which you would be an idiot not too. I shouldnt have to sacrifice one side of my suit to beat out scans this is flawed, and if your a minja that really needs more knife damage then you should switch to sg. This is coming from a proto minja so I think I know what im talking about. No, you don't know what you're talking about. I'm a proto minja as well who has been a minja since the days of closed beta. I am known throughout the community here as one of the first original nova knifers alongside original scouts like Nova Knife, Shotty GoBang, Mr Musturd, and so on. You can find the list of OG scouts in the link below along with a complete 1,000-page discussion on how scouts were to be balanced. This discussion has been going on for literally over a year and looking at your record I can see that you should know this already since you've been around long before The Barbershop (formally known as The Scout Registry) was formed. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=90055&find=unread As to your assertion that one shouldn't have to sacrifice one side for another, I will counter that by saying everyone needs to make a sacrifice. This is not flawed from the point of view of game balance because to NOT make a sacrifice will only make other players view the Minja as completely overpowered. I will agree that oddly enough the Minja is the only scout that is not focused around EWAR like the other scouts, but EWAR is not really necessary for this particular suit as you have the ability to hack decently fast even without the codebreaker mods. The Min Scout has a speed that is unrivaled by any other suit on the field and is able to effectively OHK a heavy if used correctly. An expert minja hardly ever needs anything else in regards to bonuses especially when facing off against suits like the Logi, Assault, Heavy, and now even Tanks. The Minja is also the ONLY suit in the field that can reach the redline snipers before the 20-second timer runs out. I know this because I do this religiously. Sacrificing "one side" for another as you put it is just a small price to pay for the major benefits you get from it. Here is my fit which has helped me a lot so far. Scout mk.057,690 Complex Sidearm Damage Modifier5,595 Complex Sidearm Damage Modifier5,595 Complex Sidearm Damage Modifier5,595 Complex Profile Dampener3,420 Complex Kinetic Catalyzer2,955 Complex Kinetic Catalyzer2,955 Ishukone Nova Knives12,975 ARN-18 Cloak Field3,420 ISK Estimated Cost:~ 100,200 It costs a pretty penny, but it does its job. As long as I carefully pick my battles like a good scout does, I won't die much. My total EHP for this fit so far is 197. As you can see, this is a hard-mode fit. I have even scared off and totally distracted tanks on my own with this fit and have even successfully killed off a Soma and a few LAVs with it if I throw in a Packed AV Grenade into this fit. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3512	Posted - 2014.08.24 22:33:00 - [15] - Quote maluble wrote: An ammar proto scout would only need one percision enhancer to pick me up if I have 3 complex dampeners and pro cloak, how is that sacrificing all slots? So once again someone not having all the info before placing their input. Why dont u do math yourself before posting would have saved us both time. Where the hell are you getting your numbers? Again HERE is the spreadsheet. Look at the Amarr Section, under 1 Complex Dampener. It reads 21.6 dB, which rounds to 22 dB. Now look at the Minmatar Section. With 1 Complex Dampener, you get 23. 6 dB and if you throw on a proto cloak you get 21.24 dB, which rounds to 21 OR you can fit 2 Complex Dampeners and you will get 18.5 dB, which rounds to 19 dB and YOU BEAT THE AMARR WITH ONE COMPLEX DAMPENER. maluble wrote: Three complex dampeners with pro cloak on min scout gets me down to 10.5 db which is .5 over what I need to not be scanned by pro ammar, and thats only with cloak activated. Why dont u do math yourself before posting would have saved us both time. FYI, if you fit 3 Complex Dampeners on your Minja and are cloaked with proto, you get 14.3 dB, which rounds to 14 dB. Not 10.5. Lastly, it took me 2 minutes to find these numbers, while I am at work. So even that part of your theory is wrong. I can understand having wrong numbers the first time, but perpetuating these wrong numbers AFTER I already showed you the official CCP spreadsheet that explains everything is a new level of hardheadedness. You can always tell a Millford Minja
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 921	Posted - 2014.08.24 22:34:00 - [16] - Quote maluble wrote: Are you that daft? The scout that sneaks up on people with knives doesnt need damps? are you trolling or for real? Seriously people the one scout that mainly assainates entire squads (at least I do) doesnt need to be hidden on map? I run novas as a primary weapon and I dont need extra damage they are beast wihout it, I need to not be seen by other scouts without sacrificing 3 slots, 2 but not 3. Any "true" minja should agree. You know what, keep on doing whatever your bitching about doing. You're a perma-scrub, and no one can help you with that. What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9151	Posted - 2014.08.24 22:37:00 - [17] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: maluble wrote: An ammar proto scout would only need one percision enhancer to pick me up if I have 3 complex dampeners and pro cloak, how is that sacrificing all slots? So once again someone not having all the info before placing their input. Why dont u do math yourself before posting would have saved us both time. Where the hell are you getting your numbers? Again HERE is the spreadsheet. Look at the Amarr Section, under 1 Complex Dampener. It reads 21.6 dB, which rounds to 22 dB. Now look at the Minmatar Section. With 1 Complex Dampener, you get 23. 6 dB and if you throw on a proto cloak you get 21.24 dB, which rounds to 21 OR you can fit 2 Complex Dampeners and you will get 18.5 dB, which rounds to 19 dB and YOU BEAT THE AMARR WITH ONE COMPLEX DAMPENER. maluble wrote: Three complex dampeners with pro cloak on min scout gets me down to 10.5 db which is .5 over what I need to not be scanned by pro ammar, and thats only with cloak activated. Why dont u do math yourself before posting would have saved us both time. FYI, if you fit 3 Complex Dampeners on your Minja and are cloaked with proto, you get 14.3 dB, which rounds to 14 dB. Not 10.5. Lastly, it took me 2 minutes to find these numbers, while I am at work. So even that part of your theory is wrong. I can understand having wrong numbers the first time, but perpetuating these wrong numbers AFTER I already showed you the official CCP spreadsheet that explains everything is a new level of hardheadedness. One doesn't simply argue against math. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 415	Posted - 2014.08.24 22:43:00 - [18] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: One Eyed King wrote: maluble wrote: An ammar proto scout would only need one percision enhancer to pick me up if I have 3 complex dampeners and pro cloak, how is that sacrificing all slots? So once again someone not having all the info before placing their input. Why dont u do math yourself before posting would have saved us both time. Where the hell are you getting your numbers? Again HERE is the spreadsheet. Look at the Amarr Section, under 1 Complex Dampener. It reads 21.6 dB, which rounds to 22 dB. Now look at the Minmatar Section. With 1 Complex Dampener, you get 23. 6 dB and if you throw on a proto cloak you get 21.24 dB, which rounds to 21 OR you can fit 2 Complex Dampeners and you will get 18.5 dB, which rounds to 19 dB and YOU BEAT THE AMARR WITH ONE COMPLEX DAMPENER. maluble wrote: Three complex dampeners with pro cloak on min scout gets me down to 10.5 db which is .5 over what I need to not be scanned by pro ammar, and thats only with cloak activated. Why dont u do math yourself before posting would have saved us both time. FYI, if you fit 3 Complex Dampeners on your Minja and are cloaked with proto, you get 14.3 dB, which rounds to 14 dB. Not 10.5. Lastly, it took me 2 minutes to find these numbers, while I am at work. So even that part of your theory is wrong. I can understand having wrong numbers the first time, but perpetuating these wrong numbers AFTER I already showed you the official CCP spreadsheet that explains everything is a new level of hardheadedness. One doesn't simply argue against math. It seems like maluble insists on doing his best at trying. It isn't funny anymore, it's starting to get to the point of being depressing and sad.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9155	Posted - 2014.08.24 22:43:00 - [19] - Quote maluble wrote: Are you that daft? The scout that sneaks up on people with knives doesnt need damps? are you trolling or for real? Seriously people the one scout that mainly assainates entire squads (at least I do) doesnt need to be hidden on map? I run novas as a primary weapon and I dont need extra damage they are beast wihout it, I need to not be seen by other scouts without sacrificing 3 slots, 2 but not 3. Any "true" minja should agree. Ahem... No I don't. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 415	Posted - 2014.08.24 22:46:00 - [20] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: maluble wrote: Are you that daft? The scout that sneaks up on people with knives doesnt need damps? are you trolling or for real? Seriously people the one scout that mainly assainates entire squads (at least I do) doesnt need to be hidden on map? I run novas as a primary weapon and I dont need extra damage they are beast wihout it, I need to not be seen by other scouts without sacrificing 3 slots, 2 but not 3. Any "true" minja should agree. Ahem... No I don't. I would agree...if his claims weren't completely based on made up numbers from the magical realm of maluble land.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9155	Posted - 2014.08.24 22:48:00 - [21] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: It seems like maluble insists on doing his best at trying. It isn't funny anymore, it's starting to get to the point of being depressing and sad. Implying this was ever funny to begin with. I don't find it funny when someone like Maluble comes out acting like he knows better than all the other scouts who have been playing "hard mode" before he came around and then insisting that he is right regardless of all the facts thrown at him. It's like watching Ken Ham debating against Bill Nye by claiming that the earth is only 6,000 years old even though we have 150 years worth of research saying otherwise. It's extremely sad. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 415	Posted - 2014.08.24 22:53:00 - [22] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Shutter Fly wrote: It seems like maluble insists on doing his best at trying. It isn't funny anymore, it's starting to get to the point of being depressing and sad. Implying this was ever funny to begin with. I don't find it funny when someone like Maluble comes out acting like he knows better than all the other scouts who have been playing "hard mode" before he came around and then insisting that he is right regardless of all the facts thrown at him. It's like watching Ken Ham debating against Bill Nye by claiming that the earth is only 6,000 years old even though we have 150 years worth of research saying otherwise. It's extremely sad. Some butthurt raging by someone who neglected to check the actual facts can be funny at times, but I agree that it's just sad when it crosses into the realm of willful ignorance. He's been repeatedly told the truth of the matter in the past 24 hours, yet he consistently insists on his fake "statistics."
mollerz 5096	Posted - 2014.08.24 23:19:00 - [23] - Quote maluble wrote: mollerz wrote: maluble wrote: This is coming from a proto minja so I think I know what im talking about. Nope. You just accumulated SP. Obviously U wasted your time. Lol I mop u up in advanced gear all the time, what are u talkin about. Lol. Never heard of you. Sounds like you suck given your post so feel free to bring it. Dingle Dust Berry.
Zindorak 1.U.P 667	Posted - 2014.08.24 23:22:00 - [24] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: I think the bonuses to the min scout are fine as they are, I wouldn't change either of them. Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1117	Posted - 2014.08.25 01:03:00 - [25] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: maluble wrote: ... and if your a minja that really needs more knife damage then you should switch to sg. MN/CA Fatties - 3 to 4 Shotgun Blasts AM/GA Fatties - 3 to 5 Shotgun Blasts You think SG hits harder than Knives? No offense but if you have the SG with at least pro 3 and some advanced or complex damage mods and it's two to three shots . With a Min scout and the same set up with NK's and it's one to two swipes . Most of the time it's one swipe . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2173	Posted - 2014.08.25 02:53:00 - [26] - Quote While i generally disagree with everything you've said.....this does bring up an interesting point. Are scouts being forced to sacrifice too much to remain under scans? Now that assaults got their buff, i think its time we took a new look at scout eWAR The eWAR nerf was an attempt to indirectly nerf combat viability, which it did, but not in an intended manner...it pigeonholed scouts into one specific mentality-eat or be eaten. Meaning-either you're a cal scout stacking a couple of precisions, or you're another scout with every low slot being complex profile dampeners. Speed tanking died entirely outside of lolpubstomps, and other utility modules like stamina or code breakers became useless because everything had to be dampeners, unless you were a cal scout, in which case you stacked range amps. Now that we no longer have to worry about scouts being top-dog slayers, i think its time we took another look at the eWAR balancing in general on scouts. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
gustavo acosta Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 195	Posted - 2014.08.25 03:32:00 - [27] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: While i generally disagree with everything you've said.....this does bring up an interesting point. Are scouts being forced to sacrifice too much to remain under scans? Now that assaults got their buff, i think its time we took a new look at scout eWAR The eWAR nerf was an attempt to indirectly nerf combat viability, which it did, but not in an intended manner...it pigeonholed scouts into one specific mentality-eat or be eaten. Meaning-either you're a cal scout stacking a couple of precisions, or you're another scout with every low slot being complex profile dampeners. Speed tanking died entirely outside of lolpubstomps, and other utility modules like stamina or code breakers became useless because everything had to be dampeners, unless you were a cal scout, in which case you stacked range amps. Now that we no longer have to worry about scouts being top-dog slayers, i think its time we took another look at the eWAR balancing in general on scouts. I don't think scouts were nerfed hard enough for any buff to be in order, at least in terms of E-war. I mean if my gallente scout had any better e-war stats I wouldn't even bother with dampening, and I hope the same could be said about every other scout. I also believe that scouts still have the potential to be better slayers than assaults, if any kind of buff is added that idea would be perpetuated to a greater extent, and either a nerf to scouts or a buff to assaults would be in order(we shouldn't fix what isn't broken) I do agree that modules that are used to a lesser extent should be changed, in any way besides changing the current dropsuit dynamic, to be more attractive to players. However we must keep in mind that the players in this game are also a factor in which modules are popular, and that many players only rely on tank in order to fit their suits without even considering using other modules in their fittings. Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault Eternal Can I haz ur isk?


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