What is planned for the future?

Currently you pretty much have to no-life this game and farm districts, farm ambush matches and exploit the game's weaknesses to get anywhere in PC.

You have to farm districts? you have to farm ambush matches?ou have to exploit weaknesses? I think all of these are incorrect and would love to see evidence that these are true. I do think PC requires an element of no life'ing from leadership, but if your player pool is larger your players can swap out and not need to.

That's right. NOT the players' weaknesses, but the GAME'S weaknesses. PC matches have ALWAYS been about this.

Can you elaborate?

With all the ISK they get from farming they can hire the people who know how to exploit the game the best.

Isk who gets from farming? How much do you surmise they are making? In what way are the people they hiring exploiting? Is it a FOTM tactic that anyone can do they just do it best, or something more dastardly?

I personally am starting to think there is a problem with Scouts. Scouts are the key to winning PC matches right now. They get the objective faster, they respond to a changing battle situation faster, and they fight better because they have EWAR.

Scouts are quite FOTM right now, yes. However ADS, burst hmg heavies, link spam, and the like are all still FOTM as well.

I feel like shared passive scans are the biggest problem. I also feel like Scouts should get an EWAR nerf across the board to bring them back closer to the level of Assaults and Logis, and that Assaults deserve an EWAR buff. Or maybe just the latter.

Passive scans are an issue, but this actually makes scouts worse than other classes because in PC heavies and others can see the scans a scout has and thus must compete for kills with everyone. Nevertheless I think shared passive scans are a problem, and I do think e-war needs to be revisited for medium frames

Corps who play fair and don't exploit it have no place in Molden Heath. Shouldn't that tell you something CCP? Why should people who play the game the way it's intended to be played be punished for it?

Umm? I think this still needs to be proven.

Maybe it's because you focus on things like the Data Mining event instead of what really matters, your general playerbase?

PC is definitely a very small small amount of the general playerbase.

Hell, I'd wager proto-free pub matches are even more important than the point I'm trying to make in this thread.

Why don't you provide the evidence? You're the one who's on the only side that can disprove it. Don't try and tell me you don't pay your PC players ISK. At the very least, you are not getting clone packs from pub taxes alone. Even if your alliance doesn't attack each other (which they do) the corp with the most districts makes the most ISK, which gives it the most clones and the most power.
I guess you are trying to say the sheer number of members you have is your strength. Well the system the way it is, is still a power struggle between the rich and the poor that the poor cannot win. CCP allows you to have a monopoly over PC and I think the whole thing is just pointless.

1.) The burden of evidence is on the person making the assertion (you).

I can't prove a negative.

2.) I don't pay my PC players isk. If you can find one that is I'll give you 50 mill when you bring it to my attention.

3.) Numbers are a huge thing. If you can bring in money from a low tax rate on a large number of members then go for it.

4.) Fatal Absolution is a prime example of proof you can go out, build a corp from hard work, and succeed in PC.

I broke completely from my former corp TeamPlayers and made something completely new.

I started FA with isk I made ringing for other corps.


Listen I don't know exactly how the inner circles work and I don't care. All I know is you guys come into pubs and stomp everyone, and it ruins the game for a lot of people. CCP is too lazy to put a stop to it. The big names in Molden Heath are usually the ones who proto stomp.

You think this is related to PC? If you -remove- PC you'll just increase the stomping, not decrease it.

Pub stomping started long before Uprising.

Your guess is as good as mine. I don't know anyone with insider information on these new corps that are the same old Molden Heath powerhouses, just with new names.

As previously stated, it's quite feasible to create new powerhouses.

You missed my point. It should be open to a larger portion of the players. CCP focuses on the needs of the few instead of the needs of the many.

You are in fact exacerbating the point I'm trying to make.

If PC is a very small percentage of the players then why is CCP allowing them to ruin the game by proto stomping?

Because the assertion that PC is responsible for protostomping is simply that.

Should it be easier to get into PC, yes. But how many corps do you know not in PC that have 20+ players active reliably on each day during a timer? how about for 6 hours in order to hold 6 timers? I'm just curious.

No. I made a thread after studying the EWAR profiles of all dropsuits. Basically, even if an Assault has level 5 precision it still can't scan the Scout's default profile even if it doesn't have a single point into dampening; it works the same way for Assault's dampening. I think that's overpowered and one of the reasons that Assault is IMO not as good of a choice as Scout. I think the spectrum between EWAR abilities of lights, mediums and heavies should be thinned.

Zatara, look. You know just as well as I do that the massive amounts of ISK players in corps like Nyain San and yours make fuels the fact that those players use full proto EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY SPAWN. Stop trying to deny that exploiting the game doesn't massively benefit the big name PC corps. Stop trying to tell me that 1.U.P. pulling the same **** that NS did, spawn killing the entire 50 clone ambush team right as the battle starts because CCP is dumb enough to put both teams right next to each other... stop trying to tell me that's not a problem because it is.

I might as well drop this conversation where it is because the LP store buff is counterbalancing the huge gap between the rich corps and normal players. Pretty soon the intelligent people who figure it out will be able to run proto for the majority of most pub matches because it cuts the cost of a proto suit by at least 1/3. I feel sorry for the Commandos and new types of Scouts in fact.

Again I think the Assault's relationship to Scouts is not working as intended and needs to be fixed as well as the shared tacnet scans a Scout provides. When I run Gal Logi I feel vastly inferior to scouts because when I try to emulate their ability to CONSTANTLY SCAN I find myself unable to do much of anything else besides keep my distance from the enemy (and occasionally hunt down scouts or stragglers). I think you should have to work as hard as an active scanner user to be able to share your scans, not just casually do it while fattening up your KDR and dominating the battlefield single handedly.

Fixed.