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xavier zor
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.22 02:43:00 -
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So I see these different suits...shock assault, caldari c-1 series, minmitar assault, commando suits...What is the difference?
I see a commando with low PG/CPU and alright hitpoints (100/220) and then I see a cheaper caldari c-1 Series with better stats than listed? Is there an extra weapon slot, or damage multipliers/decreases to suits? What is the difference between a normal shock assault suit and a minmitar assault suit?
Also, to whoever uses commando suits pleases list the pros and cons vs normal series suits. :) |
Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
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Posted - 2014.08.22 02:53:00 -
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They have different starting stats and slots.
For more information on any suit, go to Marketplace or Assets, if you want to view information on items you already have, and press triangle on them. Throughout the different screens, you are able to view what the suit offers; such as:
-eHP -Speed -Regen -slots -and more! |
xavier zor
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:00:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:They have different starting stats and slots.
For more information on any suit, go to Marketplace or Assets, if you want to view information on items you already have, and press triangle on them. Throughout the different screens, you are able to view what the suit offers; such as:
-eHP -Speed -Regen -slots -and more!
Be aware that these are the starting stats and that increasing your core skills WILL improve any and all suits, without changing the suit description.
Minmatar commandos are the fastest Commandos around. They have a bonus to explosive Light weapons (Swarm Launchers, Mass Drivers) and projectile weapons (Combat Rifle). I don't know what you man the normal one. If you mean the basic frame, well that one can equip a heavy and sidearm, while the Commando can fit two lights. Also, basic heavies and sentinels carry grenades. Commandos don't. Instead, they carry equipment.
Thanks, I needed that info. Time to skill into the command...I just used 350k SP on minmitar logistics to put more uplinks and a longer cloak on. Dang it! |
Sgt Kirk
Lucent Echelon
7342
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:02:00 -
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Comparing my Gallente Assault to my Gallente Commando
Here are positives and negatives of the Gallente Commando which is probably universal for all races for the most part.
Negatives: Less slot to work with No Grenades Only 1 High slot (used for Damage mod) Slower Less Regen
Positives: More eHP More Damage Can successfully fill AV and Infantry role. (like the Engineer suit from battlefield) Has an Equipment slot
Lucent Echelon -The Brightest Ranks
Gallente Faction Warfare Chanel
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5289
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:11:00 -
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Press triangle on everything to check info.
R2 and L2 will swap info tabs on items.
Join a corp.
Why do people never state this fundamental advice?.
"Oh, look!,
There's, uh, two women f ing a polar bear".
"Don't tell me those things".
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:19:00 -
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Oh yeah, press triangle before you actually apply skill points to a skill to see what bonuses you are getting.
Check items on the market to see what skills you need for them.
Max your core skills.
Core skills are..............iv literally explained this at least a few hundred times, someone please finish lol.
Please help this guy, someone lol.
"Oh, look!,
There's, uh, two women f ing a polar bear".
"Don't tell me those things".
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings Proficiency V.
1010
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:27:00 -
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If you run Commando, be prepared because you will forever be limited to a specific role.
Suppressing fire behind the front line, and using a swarm launcher or plasma cannon (I'd only use PLC on Gallente though) with AV grenades.
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5289
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:27:00 -
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You can join my corp and I'll give you a crash course in dust if you want?.
Iv been here since beta and have many things at proto.
CBA to type here and will be on in roughly 8 hours.
"Oh, look!,
There's, uh, two women f ing a polar bear".
"Don't tell me those things".
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xavier zor
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:53:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:You can join my corp and I'll give you a crash course in dust if you want?.
Iv been here since beta and have many things at proto.
CBA to type here and will be on in roughly 8 hours.
I would love to join a different corp... Im in Australia so our time zones will be different. Can I have exact name of the corp you are in, and in 8 hours you will be on to accept me?? |
TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5292
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Posted - 2014.08.22 04:06:00 -
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Here you go.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=172432&find=unread
Hopefully see you soon.
"Oh, look!,
There's, uh, two women f ing a polar bear".
"Don't tell me those things".
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kyoudai Furinkazan
1109
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Posted - 2014.08.22 04:10:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:You can join my corp and I'll give you a crash course in dust if you want?.
Iv been here since beta and have many things at proto.
CBA to type here and will be on in roughly 8 hours. Yeah , join Tech's corporation ... he was one of the first to help me along with Cosgar and a few others .
He's a class act .
You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
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xavier zor
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2014.08.22 04:19:00 -
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Awesome, just need some help running a commando suit and combat rifle, I have been playing for a year now and only now have I started to skill into dropsuits lol |
TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5296
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Posted - 2014.08.22 11:41:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:You can join my corp and I'll give you a crash course in dust if you want?.
Iv been here since beta and have many things at proto.
CBA to type here and will be on in roughly 8 hours. Yeah , join Tech's corporation ... he was one of the first to help me along with Cosgar and a few others . He's a class act .
A cheers mate.
You touched my borderline sociopathic heart, i felt human again for a second there.
"Oh, look!,
There's, uh, two women f ing a polar bear".
"Don't tell me those things".
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Coleman Gray
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
1125
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Posted - 2014.08.22 11:46:00 -
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What's your play style? Cos depending on that, the commando you choose will matter lol.
If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5297
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Posted - 2014.08.22 12:20:00 -
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When determining what type of suit you want, you need to look at the HP values, slot layout, stats and bonuses.
Always take into consideration, what will suit your playstyle. nothing will 'win' for you in dust like most conventional mmos type games.
The HP will tell you the suits survivability.
The slot layout will tell you what the suit is best geared for and what kind of layout you will achieve.
The stats will tell you a number of things like its speed, regen etc, etc.
The bonuses are the icing on the cake and will tell you how best to use the suit.
Armour is more for brawling.
Shields are more for hit and run with quicker regen than armour in general.
Shield based - Caldari and Minmatar.
Armour based - Amarr and Gallente (Gallente is good for Armour repair tanking in general but is also good for stacking Armour).
Caldari tends to adapt a high shield hp fit and prefers to engage at longer ranges.
Minmatar is a shield based suit but also goes for high regen as for for speedy hit and run type play.
Amarr tends to go for maxmimum armour and damage mods in the highs for a slow but devastating setup.
Gallente tends to be all about armour repair tanking but can stack comparable armour and damage as the Amarr.
This is the general outlook BUT you can do whatever you want, however you want. Its just that you will get more out of your suits if you follow these philosophies.
I know this isn't really answering your question but these guidelines apply to all the suits pretty much. You will have to look at what weapons you like as well and take that into consideration with choosing your commando suit as it is a high damage fit and carries two light weapons with bonuses that apply to certain weapons.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=172432&find=unread
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Chunky Munkey
5144
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Posted - 2014.08.22 12:26:00 -
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If you're just starting out, I can't stress enough that you should be putting all your SP into core skills rather than picking weapons or equipment you like.
That said, If you're just starting out, I also feel obliged to tell you (since CCP won't) that the game has effectively been cancelled, and will no longer see any significant updates.
Destiny won't kill Dust.
CCP already did that.
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RYN0CER0S
Rise Of Old Dudes
1249
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Posted - 2014.08.22 12:55:00 -
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Join a Chat Channel. Some good ones include: Comms.D-Uni Learning Coalition
Join a Corp. The previously stated Chat Channels are run by excellent starter corps. I also know a few other Corps that are helpful with new players.
Add me on PSN (The_Rynoceros). If I'm on when you are, feel free to message me and I can help to get you where you need to go.
I don't always blap Infantry with a Forge Gun, but when I do, that ** is hilarious.
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
498
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Posted - 2014.08.22 15:23:00 -
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xavier zor wrote:So I see these different suits...shock assault, caldari c-1 series, minmitar assault, commando suits...What is the difference?
I see a commando with low PG/CPU and alright hitpoints (100/220) and then I see a cheaper caldari c-1 Series with better stats than listed? Is there an extra weapon slot, or damage multipliers/decreases to suits? What is the difference between a normal shock assault suit and a minmitar assault suit?
Also, to whoever uses commando suits pleases list the pros and cons vs normal series suits. :)
Commando suits:
Pro: you get two light weapons allowing for some decent wombo combos. Commandos make good squad support with the ability to carry AV and a rifle or a MD/SR and a rifle.
Cons: Pretty much everything else. A well fitted medium suit of equal tier will be faster, have a smaller hitbox, and can have near your e/hp at adv or pass you in e/hp at proto level.
Also keep in mind, Core skills make a huge difference. My adv suits have similar stats to proto suits on players who haven't leveled up their core skills. In the long run, it's cheaper isk wise to focus on Core skills (Skills that give a passive boost to all suits which are found in Dropsuit Upgrades tree) then to sp rush to proto only to bankrupt yourself in matches.
Also as has been mentioned, keep in mind this is a terminal game. Most of CCP's Dust team is working on another project code named Legion for the PC which will likely replace Dust. As far as we know though Legion may not even make it out of development so eh. If this doesn't bother you welcome, and prepare to get wrecked repeatedly by players with far more sp then you will probably ever have. |
Cody Sietz
Evzones
3890
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Posted - 2014.08.22 15:30:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:If you run Commando, be prepared because you will forever be limited to a specific role.
Suppressing fire behind the front line, and using a swarm launcher or plasma cannon (I'd only use PLC on Gallente though) with AV grenades. I think that's only true of the Caldari commando, the limited low slots and long range weapons tend to limit what the suit can do.
Minmatar would probably be the most versatile suit followed up by the Gallente commando. The Amarr suit has the most ehp but is the slowest.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
499
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Posted - 2014.08.22 15:35:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:bamboo x wrote:If you run Commando, be prepared because you will forever be limited to a specific role.
Suppressing fire behind the front line, and using a swarm launcher or plasma cannon (I'd only use PLC on Gallente though) with AV grenades. I think that's only true of the Caldari commando, the limited low slots and long range weapons tend to limit what the suit can do. Minmatar would probably be the most versatile suit followed up by the Gallente commando. The Amarr suit has the most ehp but is the slowest.
Minmitar is probably the best frontline commando with bonuses to MD/SL/CR and although Gallente isn't bad they only really have the AR/PLC combo which is pretty meh for av but pretty lol for anti infantry. You can fit a shotgun on them but to me that's like putting Nova Knives on anything other than a light suit. Shotguns and fat suits just don't gel, especially not Commandos where pretty much everyone can passive scan and see a Galmmando hiding around a corner and strafing while backpedaling ruins pretty much any hope the Galmmando had of killing the target. Amarr and Caldari are more of the back line support roles with the Amarr's LR/ScR and the Caldari's SR/RR. |
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lee corwood
Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION
1015
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Posted - 2014.08.22 15:48:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Oh yeah, press triangle before you actually apply skill points to a skill to see what bonuses you are getting.
Check items on the market to see what skills you need for them.
Max your core skills.
Core skills are..............iv literally explained this at least a few hundred times, someone please finish lol.
Please help this guy, someone lol.
I've also written this so many times that I've just bookmarked my other posts so i could copy and paste it later:
lee corwood wrote: The core skills that matter:
Dropsuit Upgrades -> Armor: +5% base armor per level Dropsuit Upgrades -> Shield: +5% base shield per level Dropsuit Upgrades -> Core -> Electronics: + 5% base CPU Dropsuit Upgrades -> Core -> Engineering: + 5% base PG
Those are the first most important to focus on as it at max, it gives you 25% more armor and shields to the base stats of any suit. So if you skilled into these first, you're already at an advantage starting out even in your starter fit.
Electronics and Engineering is expensive, but getting even to lvl 3 is going to be a huge benefit. There is nothing worse than having an ADV suit and having skilled into ADV modules but not being able to fit them due to PG/CPU restrictions. You're going to run into this problem even more on proto suits if you ignore those two core skills.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kyoudai Furinkazan
1114
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Posted - 2014.08.22 17:45:00 -
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A lot of the same people who are giving advice to you , are some of the people you want to listen to .... you have a lot of great people in this community who actually care about those who are just starting out and that's helpful .
You did good to ask questions because you have those , like these people ... who would break their necks to help out new players and they will give you sound advice .
Remember names because these people aren't shy about helping out .
You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
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xavier zor
Level 5 Forum Warrior
10
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Posted - 2014.08.23 05:11:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:xavier zor wrote:So I see these different suits...shock assault, caldari c-1 series, minmitar assault, commando suits...What is the difference?
I see a commando with low PG/CPU and alright hitpoints (100/220) and then I see a cheaper caldari c-1 Series with better stats than listed? Is there an extra weapon slot, or damage multipliers/decreases to suits? What is the difference between a normal shock assault suit and a minmitar assault suit?
Also, to whoever uses commando suits pleases list the pros and cons vs normal series suits. :) Commando suits: Pro: you get two light weapons allowing for some decent wombo combos. Commandos make good squad support with the ability to carry AV and a rifle or a MD/SR and a rifle. Cons: Pretty much everything else. A well fitted medium suit of equal tier will be faster, have a smaller hitbox, and can have near your e/hp at adv or pass you in e/hp at proto level. Also keep in mind, Core skills make a huge difference. My adv suits have similar stats to proto suits on players who haven't leveled up their core skills. In the long run, it's cheaper isk wise to focus on Core skills (Skills that give a passive boost to all suits which are found in Dropsuit Upgrades tree) then to sp rush to proto only to bankrupt yourself in matches. Also as has been mentioned, keep in mind this is a terminal game. Most of CCP's Dust team is working on another project code named Legion for the PC which will likely replace Dust. As far as we know though Legion may not even make it out of development so eh. If this doesn't bother you welcome, and prepare to get wrecked repeatedly by players with far more sp then you will probably ever have. P.S. Be wary of Corps. If they have a tax rate higher then 0.0% then leave the Corp. It's a tax farm scam that a lot of players use to fund their excessive isk habits. The only corps that should have a tax rate are ones that are trying to get into PC/are in PC and as a new player you won't be doing that for a long time if ever.
Lol i have 12 mil skill points, i aint no newbie. I was just asking about the command suit since i was always using pro to assault rifles and pro to assault suits |
xavier zor
Level 5 Forum Warrior
10
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Posted - 2014.08.23 05:12:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:xavier zor wrote:So I see these different suits...shock assault, caldari c-1 series, minmitar assault, commando suits...What is the difference?
I see a commando with low PG/CPU and alright hitpoints (100/220) and then I see a cheaper caldari c-1 Series with better stats than listed? Is there an extra weapon slot, or damage multipliers/decreases to suits? What is the difference between a normal shock assault suit and a minmitar assault suit?
Also, to whoever uses commando suits pleases list the pros and cons vs normal series suits. :) Commando suits: Pro: you get two light weapons allowing for some decent wombo combos. Commandos make good squad support with the ability to carry AV and a rifle or a MD/SR and a rifle. Cons: Pretty much everything else. A well fitted medium suit of equal tier will be faster, have a smaller hitbox, and can have near your e/hp at adv or pass you in e/hp at proto level. Also keep in mind, Core skills make a huge difference. My adv suits have similar stats to proto suits on players who haven't leveled up their core skills. In the long run, it's cheaper isk wise to focus on Core skills (Skills that give a passive boost to all suits which are found in Dropsuit Upgrades tree) then to sp rush to proto only to bankrupt yourself in matches. Also as has been mentioned, keep in mind this is a terminal game. Most of CCP's Dust team is working on another project code named Legion for the PC which will likely replace Dust. As far as we know though Legion may not even make it out of development so eh. If this doesn't bother you welcome, and prepare to get wrecked repeatedly by players with far more sp then you will probably ever have. P.S. Be wary of Corps. If they have a tax rate higher then 0.0% then leave the Corp. It's a tax farm scam that a lot of players use to fund their excessive isk habits. The only corps that should have a tax rate are ones that are trying to get into PC/are in PC and as a new player you won't be doing that for a long time if ever.
I am no new player, 12 million SP. I have unfortunately spent a stupid amount upgrading every assault rifle skill there is...Just asking about the commando suit since i have never touched it and always run assault series suits
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
11838
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Posted - 2014.08.23 05:17:00 -
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You people are really leading this guy astray! Why didn't you tell him the #1 rule of DUST?
Feed the cat
This is really basic guys!
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Atiim
11587
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Posted - 2014.08.23 16:40:00 -
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Commandos
Pros: +2 Light Weapon Slots +Damage Bonus to certain Light Weapons +Best Anti-Vehicle suits in DUST 514 +Gives access to Basic Heavy Frames, allowing you to switch to an HMG suit if need be.
Cons: -No Grenade Slot -Less eHP than Assaults -Low amount of Fitting Slot -Low speed
DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando
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Atiim
11587
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Posted - 2014.08.23 16:41:00 -
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xavier zor wrote: I am no new player, 12 million SP. I have unfortunately spent a stupid amount upgrading every assault rifle skill there is...Just asking about the commando suit since i have never touched it and always run assault series suits
If you have a lot of SP into Assault Rifle skills, you should invest into Gallente Commandos.
They get an additional damage bonus to ARs, and you can carry 2 of them at the same time.
DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando
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xavier zor
King and Queens Peacekeepers of High-Sec
10
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Posted - 2014.08.24 23:02:00 -
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Atiim wrote:xavier zor wrote: I am no new player, 12 million SP. I have unfortunately spent a stupid amount upgrading every assault rifle skill there is...Just asking about the commando suit since i have never touched it and always run assault series suits
If you have a lot of SP into Assault Rifle skills, you should invest into Gallente Commandos. They get an additional damage bonus to ARs, and you can carry 2 of them at the same time.
Yeah, i have been saving up SP to skill into the commando suit, but for now just been fighting for imperial loyalty points to use the Imperial commando dropsuit. Sucks because everytime i try to find a faction wars battle the estimated time is 00:00 and i never find one! |
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