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Groz'zar Kazoku
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.21 18:38:00 -
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I see some games were half of my "team" goes 0/11 0/19, 0/9.... how can these people keep playing or am I seeing purposeful losing on the part of the players? To help the other team? |
Operative 1125 Lokaas
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
373
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Posted - 2014.08.21 19:25:00 -
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Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:I see some games were half of my "team" goes 0/11 0/19, 0/9.... how can these people keep playing or am I seeing purposeful losing on the part of the players? To help the other team?
No, you are seeing the rest of us that play a video game for what it is GÇô stupid entertainment that barely warrants trying so hard as to actually use that stupid controller for anything other than a conversation piece.
You see those videos people post on youtube about doing all sorts of slick gameplay? Yeah, me and I'm sure a sizable portion of the player base don't even consider going one quarter that far with this game. Why? What is missing from your life to think that hard about a video game?
THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
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Bobs urges
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
33
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Posted - 2014.08.21 20:22:00 -
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Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote:Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:I see some games were half of my "team" goes 0/11 0/19, 0/9.... how can these people keep playing or am I seeing purposeful losing on the part of the players? To help the other team? No, you are seeing the rest of us that play a video game for what it is GÇô stupid entertainment that barely warrants trying so hard as to actually use that stupid controller for anything other than a conversation piece. You see those videos people post on youtube about doing all sorts of slick gameplay? Yeah, me and I'm sure a sizable portion of the player base don't even consider going one quarter that far with this game. Why? What is missing from your life to think that hard about a video game? I've been playing this past week with my kid. He thinks it's funny to keep getting killed. He just runs around laughing. Kind of puts the tryhard's mentality into perspective. You don't have to be a tryhard to not want to die repetitively and that's it. He's a kid playing, he can find enjoyment in anything, good for him, are the majority of those people op brought up kids? Who knows. But with your mentality, people should just roll over and not do anything. I'm confused you say your playing stupid entertainment for what it is, care to go into further detail? Coming from someone who couldn't care about my kdr, any stat for that matter, and still plays the game and still doesn't end up 0/13 with 0 WP. Maybe those of us who do things different then you aren't all TryHards just like those people who do things similarly to your kid aren't all kids and they might just be bad at the game, which still begs the question, why keep doing it, what are they finding enjoyable that others haven't? |
saxonmish
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
245
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Posted - 2014.08.21 20:42:00 -
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Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:I see some games were half of my "team" goes 0/11 0/19, 0/9.... how can these people keep playing or am I seeing purposeful losing on the part of the players? To help the other team?
There bots.
SLAYER.
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
487
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Posted - 2014.08.21 20:44:00 -
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Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:I see some games were half of my "team" goes 0/11 0/19, 0/9.... how can these people keep playing or am I seeing purposeful losing on the part of the players? To help the other team?
SP gap, it grows with every passing day between new players and vets. That's why the game has an insane turnover rate. If you really want to git gud, build a time machine, and start playing much earlier. Otherwise, you are going to get wrecked consistently with 1/3rd the e/hp and about 25% less in EVERYTHING then the vets. This means you won't see them as they will have passive boosts to their profiles, they will likely see you without effort, they will hack faster, they will run faster, they will repair faster, they will have more shields and armor, they will do more damage. More than likely they will also have some of their buddies massaging their asses while they circle jerk in their jamboree, and after a little while they'll start dropping OBs on your team if you even remotely try to make a comeback. This is how half of your team goes 0/11, 0/19, 0/9 etc.
It's not going to get any better. Only thing you can do is try to leech off a corp or hide in the red line until you have enough sp to be somewhat decent, which will be in a couple of months. Which of course the vets will have more sp as well so that ceiling will just keep rising until everyone has skilled into everything.
Welcome to the grind, this is how mmo's work. But no MMO's with a grind mechanic are lobby shooters. Pretty **** on a lobby shooter? Yeah, that's what I keep saying, but I'm apparently just an idiot. I don't think I'm wrong though, because I see new players every day and our player count isn't going up.
This has been the boldest Runescape/EVE attempt i've seen in a lobby shooter, and it looks like it failed pretty hard. Sure that had nothing to do with the abysmal player retention. The closest things would be games like gunz and combat arms and those have very very very slight differences in weapons. Although they have plenty of cash shop bullshit gear. |
Cassa-Nova
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.08.21 20:49:00 -
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It's not and that's exactly why this game will never grow. |
Groz'zar Kazoku
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2014.08.21 20:58:00 -
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Well I went 22/5/3 that round but I was mostly hit and running the crap out of them. most of them were rocking proto to my advanced gear. I held my own so did my squad. but ya it was a slaughter for the most part. |
Robocop Junior
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
763
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Posted - 2014.08.21 21:07:00 -
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Losers try their best! Winners go home & **** the prom queen!
If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1055
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Posted - 2014.08.21 23:20:00 -
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Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:I see some games were half of my "team" goes 0/11 0/19, 0/9.... how can these people keep playing or am I seeing purposeful losing on the part of the players? To help the other team?
No, not fun. Also, not a choice.
Because, that's why.
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Riruodo
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.08.21 23:25:00 -
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it's not fun. --_--.
But it doesn't happen much. Only when you get stuck against a squad of proto players. And even if you die a ton, as long as you're shooting, you still get some assists (and occasionally a hack). So at the end of a match you still get enough isk to make a profit, and SP gain is never a bad thing.
but yeah, it sucks... a lot. I imagine it becomes less and less frequent as you level up (and I'm going to be breaking 1 million sp at the end of the week. ^_^ )
My other car is Utena
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endezeichen grimm
Brothers Grimm 666
4
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Posted - 2014.08.21 23:34:00 -
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Most of the players aren't very smart. There is a huge imbalance in a lot of battles. I don't think they could ever fix it, given the SP structure. They just want you to keep playing to keep trying to get more SP than the other guys. Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:I see some games were half of my "team" goes 0/11 0/19, 0/9.... how can these people keep playing or am I seeing purposeful losing on the part of the players? To help the other team?
Simplify the graphics and make the game run smooth!
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BlazeXYZ
xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
155
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Posted - 2014.08.21 23:44:00 -
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I have seen worse. Some guy went 3/21 and i had to give some isk to him. It's unfair, but what can we do. I feel so bad for the new players.
The Blazing Intellect Machine
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ImIvan
3
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Posted - 2014.08.21 23:57:00 -
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Seriously though, if this happens I just leave. Once CCP compensates for all the proto that gets shoved up my *******, then I'll stay. (More Isk)
Why must you use prototypes?
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Eruditus 920
Prodigy Ops
352
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Posted - 2014.08.22 00:03:00 -
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saxonmish wrote:Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:I see some games were half of my "team" goes 0/11 0/19, 0/9.... how can these people keep playing or am I seeing purposeful losing on the part of the players? To help the other team? There bots.
Where bots?
Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
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Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
2498
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Posted - 2014.08.22 00:31:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:saxonmish wrote:Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:I see some games were half of my "team" goes 0/11 0/19, 0/9.... how can these people keep playing or am I seeing purposeful losing on the part of the players? To help the other team? There bots. Where bots? Here bots.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. BEH!
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Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
2498
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Posted - 2014.08.22 00:33:00 -
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And, of course, kdr matchmaking fixes this.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. BEH!
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Groz'zar Kazoku
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
47
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Posted - 2014.08.22 00:35:00 -
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Not really as it puts the logi in with the crap berries. this game has different roles then COD stop suggesting it all the time. |
Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
2502
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Posted - 2014.08.22 02:35:00 -
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Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:Not really as it puts the logi in with the crap berries. this game has different roles then COD stop suggesting it all the time. Yes, really. Think deeper than one match. Then why all the guns? I'll stop suggesting it when it stops fixing everything.
Bonus: then =/= than.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. BEH!
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Espartoi
Orkz Clan
327
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:10:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:saxonmish wrote:Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:I see some games were half of my "team" goes 0/11 0/19, 0/9.... how can these people keep playing or am I seeing purposeful losing on the part of the players? To help the other team? There bots. Where bots? Here bots.
Bots can play better, they know what tactic means.
Shoot Smash Stomp Chop.
Am a Giant Realistic Flying Tiger.
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings Proficiency V.
1010
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:18:00 -
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Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: No, you are seeing the rest of us that play a video game for what it is GÇô stupid entertainment that barely warrants trying so hard as to actually use that stupid controller for anything other than a conversation piece.
You see those videos people post on youtube about doing all sorts of slick gameplay? Yeah, me and I'm sure a sizable portion of the player base don't even consider going one quarter that far with this game. Why? What is missing from your life to think that hard about a video game?
I've been playing this past week with my kid. He thinks it's funny to keep getting killed. He just runs around laughing. Kind of puts the tryhard's mentality into perspective.
Which of you scumbags gave this guy 5 likes?
VIDEO GAMES ARE AN ART FORM. You don't like it? GTFO my internets.
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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Sgt Kirk
Lucent Echelon
7342
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:19:00 -
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Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:I see some games were half of my "team" goes 0/11 0/19, 0/9.... how can these people keep playing or am I seeing purposeful losing on the part of the players? To help the other team? Were you playing Caldari FW by any chance?
Lucent Echelon -The Brightest Ranks
Gallente Faction Warfare Chanel
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Operative 1125 Lokaas
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
379
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:25:00 -
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Bobs urges wrote:Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote:Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:I see some games were half of my "team" goes 0/11 0/19, 0/9.... how can these people keep playing or am I seeing purposeful losing on the part of the players? To help the other team? No, you are seeing the rest of us that play a video game for what it is GÇô stupid entertainment that barely warrants trying so hard as to actually use that stupid controller for anything other than a conversation piece. You see those videos people post on youtube about doing all sorts of slick gameplay? Yeah, me and I'm sure a sizable portion of the player base don't even consider going one quarter that far with this game. Why? What is missing from your life to think that hard about a video game? I've been playing this past week with my kid. He thinks it's funny to keep getting killed. He just runs around laughing. Kind of puts the tryhard's mentality into perspective. You don't have to be a tryhard to not want to die repetitively and that's it. He's a kid playing, he can find enjoyment in anything, good for him, are the majority of those people op brought up kids? Who knows. But with your mentality, people should just roll over and not do anything. I'm confused you say your playing stupid entertainment for what it is, care to go into further detail? Coming from someone who couldn't care about my kdr, any stat for that matter, and still plays the game and still doesn't end up 0/13 with 0 WP. Maybe those of us who do things different then you aren't all TryHards just like those people who do things similarly to your kid aren't all kids and they might just be bad at the game, which still begs the question, why keep doing it, what are they finding enjoyable that others haven't?
Point is that that any level of difficulty the ga,e throws at you is not really the problem. People will either keep playing despite dying a lot or not. I keep playing because. I have a passing interest in CCP's efforts and the only thing I get disappointed about is CCP's horrible ability to take advantage of the opportunities they have with their brand.
THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
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Espartoi
Orkz Clan
327
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:43:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: No, you are seeing the rest of us that play a video game for what it is GÇô stupid entertainment that barely warrants trying so hard as to actually use that stupid controller for anything other than a conversation piece.
You see those videos people post on youtube about doing all sorts of slick gameplay? Yeah, me and I'm sure a sizable portion of the player base don't even consider going one quarter that far with this game. Why? What is missing from your life to think that hard about a video game?
I've been playing this past week with my kid. He thinks it's funny to keep getting killed. He just runs around laughing. Kind of puts the tryhard's mentality into perspective.
Which of you scumbags gave this guy 5 likes? VIDEO GAMES ARE AN ART FORM. You don't like it? GTFO my internets.
Well, not me.
Youtubers need to consider every time they upload a video with the new song of the streets, at the same time they are attracting most of the FOTM chasers.
Shoot Smash Stomp Chop.
Am a Giant Realistic Flying Tiger.
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Reign Omega
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
788
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:55:00 -
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Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:Not really as it puts the logi in with the crap berries. this game has different roles then COD stop suggesting it all the time.
I'm a logi and my kd is almost 2. Kdr matchmaking puts ppl who can shoot with ppl who can shoot.
A display of sucking that rivals the highest amount of sucking that a player has displayed in the history of sucking.-JR
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Reign Omega
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
788
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:56:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:I see some games were half of my "team" goes 0/11 0/19, 0/9.... how can these people keep playing or am I seeing purposeful losing on the part of the players? To help the other team? Were you playing Caldari FW by any chance?
Haha what's caldari fw?
A display of sucking that rivals the highest amount of sucking that a player has displayed in the history of sucking.-JR
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kyoudai Furinkazan
1109
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Posted - 2014.08.22 04:23:00 -
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ImIvan wrote:Seriously though, if this happens I just leave. Once CCP compensates for all the proto that gets shoved up my *******, then I'll stay. (More Isk) Rattati mentioned they are working on matchmaking , the specifics are unknown to me but hopefully it will break up the meta and even out the matches so one side doesn't have more " weight " then the other .
That's more or less the real problem , matchmaking .... get that squared and this game will become a hell of a lot better and might just feel like something new .
You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
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Spectre-M
The Generals Anime Empire.
731
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Posted - 2014.08.22 06:29:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:I see some games were half of my "team" goes 0/11 0/19, 0/9.... how can these people keep playing or am I seeing purposeful losing on the part of the players? To help the other team? SP gap, it grows with every passing day between new players and vets. That's why the game has an insane turnover rate. If you really want to git gud, build a time machine, and start playing much earlier. Otherwise, you are going to get wrecked consistently with 1/3rd the e/hp and about 25% less in EVERYTHING then the vets. This means you won't see them as they will have passive boosts to their profiles, they will likely see you without effort, they will hack faster, they will run faster, they will repair faster, they will have more shields and armor, they will do more damage. More than likely they will also have some of their buddies massaging their asses while they circle jerk in their jamboree, and after a little while they'll start dropping OBs on your team if you even remotely try to make a comeback. This is how half of your team goes 0/11, 0/19, 0/9 etc. It's not going to get any better. Only thing you can do is try to leech off a corp or hide in the red line until you have enough sp to be somewhat decent, which will be in a couple of months. Which of course the vets will have more sp as well so that ceiling will just keep rising until everyone has skilled into everything. Welcome to the grind, this is how mmo's work. But no MMO's with a grind mechanic are lobby shooters. Pretty **** on a lobby shooter? Yeah, that's what I keep saying, but I'm apparently just an idiot. I don't think I'm wrong though, because I see new players every day and our player count isn't going up. This has been the boldest Runescape/EVE attempt i've seen in a lobby shooter, and it looks like it failed pretty hard. And I'm sure that had nothing to do with the abysmal player retention. The closest things would be games like gunz and combat arms and those have very very very slight differences in weapons. Although they have plenty of cash shop bullshit gear. Edit: Also a word of warning. A lot of people are going to try to get you to join their corp. If it has anything above a 0.0% tax rate do not join. They will just be farming your isk like Somali warlords if you do.
QFT
Minnmitar in Amarr armor.
A Wolf in Sheeps clothing.
May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
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IMMORTAL WAR HERO
NECROM0NGERS
169
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Posted - 2014.08.22 06:46:00 -
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Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:I see some games were half of my "team" goes 0/11 0/19, 0/9.... how can these people keep playing or am I seeing purposeful losing on the part of the players? To help the other team?
sit in tank perform ancient art of "the pp touch"
Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
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aaaasdff ertgfdd
232
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Posted - 2014.08.22 19:19:00 -
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Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote:Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:I see some games were half of my "team" goes 0/11 0/19, 0/9.... how can these people keep playing or am I seeing purposeful losing on the part of the players? To help the other team? No, you are seeing the rest of us that play a video game for what it is GÇô stupid entertainment that barely warrants trying so hard as to actually use that stupid controller for anything other than a conversation piece. You see those videos people post on youtube about doing all sorts of slick gameplay? Yeah, me and I'm sure a sizable portion of the player base don't even consider going one quarter that far with this game. Why? What is missing from your life to think that hard about a video game? I've been playing this past week with my kid. He thinks it's funny to keep getting killed. He just runs around laughing. Kind of puts the tryhard's mentality into perspective. Slow down that high horse. Is it a game yes? Is it meaningless in life? Not to some. To some people gaming is a sport, a hobby, and a way to enjoy life.... it is no diffrent than other hobby or activity that people put lots of time, money, and attention into. Maybe for you its you child, great..... We don't all have them. Just because it's no big deal to you doesn't make that opinion the only valid one. Some people fish seriously, for others its football, or racing, maybe you are passionate about comics, coins, or stamps. Lots of men are even passionate about phucking, great.... But some of us are gamers, its what we enjoy in life. And we take it serioisly.
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Temias Mercurial
Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION
180
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Posted - 2014.08.22 19:59:00 -
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Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote:Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:I see some games were half of my "team" goes 0/11 0/19, 0/9.... how can these people keep playing or am I seeing purposeful losing on the part of the players? To help the other team? No, you are seeing the rest of us that play a video game for what it is GÇô stupid entertainment that barely warrants trying so hard as to actually use that stupid controller for anything other than a conversation piece. You see those videos people post on youtube about doing all sorts of slick gameplay? Yeah, me and I'm sure a sizable portion of the player base don't even consider going one quarter that far with this game. Why? What is missing from your life to think that hard about a video game? I've been playing this past week with my kid. He thinks it's funny to keep getting killed. He just runs around laughing. Kind of puts the tryhard's mentality into perspective.
If one is "tryhard", goes 25/4, and hardly put any effort into it, then what does that mean...
Just because one did well they are labled "tryhard"?
What if you're so good, to the point where it feels effortless (or they so terribly bad)? Then you wonder how the hell your team lost to a seemingly unskilled team that you utterly destroyed, yet lost to as a team?
This game is loosing it's touch for me (and impatiently waiting for Destiny). If I win, yay... I guess. If I lose, depending on the fight, I might be calm or pist. Fights consist of either full proto enemy teams or effortless boredom. The majority of the middle ground has left, the player base, and that's making it boring as hell.
I had an entire channel filled with 30+ people of squad buddies, now only about 2 of them are ever on. That's sad... To me, the players have moved on...
My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
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