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2Berries
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.20 15:28:00 -
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Only ewar or scout tool in high slots is precision mods while lows have dampeners, range amps, kin cats & cardio stimulants. Give range amps to high slots to balance. There are more scouts now that just gal & min, start catering to all.
Thoughts?
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
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Posted - 2014.08.20 15:38:00 -
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Nope, too much range for those pesky cal scouts.
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2Berries
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:09:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Nope, too much range for those pesky cal scouts.
Gallente can dampen to non-existance, why can't caldari get extended sight? Basic level calscout has one low slot to work with, forcing some hard decisions other races don't. This wouldn't even be a nerf to other races, it would open up more fitting opprtunities for all.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:22:00 -
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Dislike the idea ...
1. Having both Damps and Range Amps in lows means I have to decide between infiltration or recon. I like it that way. Both are extremely powerful attributes when maximized; the potential ability to maximize both would likely pose problems.
2. Range and Precision Amps are complimentary modules; it is helpful that they do not share slot type.
3. We just tweaked EWAR bonuses, such that EWAR Scouts are closer to normailzed; slot configurations played a major part in calculating racial bonuses. Implementing your change would necessitate a bonus overhaul. That translates to wasted time, and alot more work ... all for little-if-any benefit.
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2Berries
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:36:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Dislike the idea ...
1. Having both Damps and Range Amps in lows means I have to decide between infiltration or recon. I like it that way. Both are extremely powerful attributes when maximized; the potential ability to maximize both would likely pose problems.
2. Range and Precision Amps are complimentary modules; it is helpful that they do not share slot type.
3. We just tweaked EWAR bonuses, such that EWAR Scouts are closer to normailzed; slot configurations played a major part in calculating racial bonuses. Implementing your change would necessitate a bonus overhaul. That translates to wasted time, and alot more work ... all for little-if-any benefit. I can understand that. Then what would be a good option to diversify high slot offerings to scouts? Maybe cardio stims? Seems like there is very little of value on the high side, shield mods, precision & damage mods.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:05:00 -
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2Berries wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Dislike the idea ...
1. Having both Damps and Range Amps in lows means I have to decide between infiltration or recon. I like it that way. Both are extremely powerful attributes when maximized; the potential ability to maximize both would likely pose problems.
2. Range and Precision Amps are complimentary modules; it is helpful that they do not share slot type.
3. We just tweaked EWAR bonuses, such that EWAR Scouts are closer to normailzed; slot configurations played a major part in calculating racial bonuses. Implementing your change would necessitate a bonus overhaul. That translates to wasted time, and alot more work ... all for little-if-any benefit. I can understand that. Then what would be a good option to diversify high slot offerings to scouts? Maybe cardio stims? Seems like there is very little of value on the high side, shield mods, precision & damage mods.
Most Scouts are in favor of moving Codebreakers and PG Extenders to High Slots. I'm not sure whether or not this would adversely affect other suits, so we'd have to ask around before implementing the change :-)
Demand for High Slot diversity has likely declined thanks to improvements to Nova Knives and Sidearm Damage Amps. They're really alot of fun; you should give them a try. EWAR scales have improved as well, such that any of the four Scouts can benefit from running Precision Enhancers.
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2Berries
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.20 18:27:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:2Berries wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Dislike the idea ...
1. Having both Damps and Range Amps in lows means I have to decide between infiltration or recon. I like it that way. Both are extremely powerful attributes when maximized; the potential ability to maximize both would likely pose problems.
2. Range and Precision Amps are complimentary modules; it is helpful that they do not share slot type.
3. We just tweaked EWAR bonuses, such that EWAR Scouts are closer to normailzed; slot configurations played a major part in calculating racial bonuses. Implementing your change would necessitate a bonus overhaul. That translates to wasted time, and alot more work ... all for little-if-any benefit. I can understand that. Then what would be a good option to diversify high slot offerings to scouts? Maybe cardio stims? Seems like there is very little of value on the high side, shield mods, precision & damage mods. Most Scouts are in favor of moving Codebreakers and PG Extenders to High Slots. I'm not sure whether or not this would adversely affect other suits, so we'd have to ask around before implementing the change :-) Demand for High Slot diversity has likely declined thanks to improvements to Nova Knives and Sidearm Damage Amps. They're really alot of fun; you should give them a try. EWAR scaling has improved as well; now any of the four Scouts can benefit from running Precision Enhancers. All that to say, there is less clamor among Scouts for "other things" to run apart from shield extenders in High Slots. Would moving cardio stim & codebreakers seem feasible without going overboard? All bottles seem to be inherently high slot, but moving kin cats would cause too much havoc.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 19:11:00 -
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2Berries wrote: Would moving cardio stim & codebreakers seem feasible without going overboard? All bottles seem to be inherently high slot, but moving kin cats would cause too much havoc.
I would object to moving CardRegs or KinCats to High Slots on the grounds that Brick and Speed/Mobility should be opposing forces. KinCats in Highs would be a nightmare; CardRegs less so, but again we're creating unnecessary work.
I would be more than satisfied with High Slot diversity if Codebreakers alone were moved to Highs. Why do we need more diversity than this?
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2Berries
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:12:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:2Berries wrote: Would moving cardio stim & codebreakers seem feasible without going overboard? All bottles seem to be inherently high slot, but moving kin cats would cause too much havoc.
I would object to moving CardRegs or KinCats to High Slots on the grounds that Brick and Speed/Mobility should be opposing forces. KinCats in Highs would be a nightmare; CardRegs less so, but again we're creating unnecessary work. I would be more than satisfied with High Slot diversity if Codebreakers alone were moved to Highs. Why do we need more diversity than this? Codebreakers alone doesn't sound like it brings much to the table, but you are right. The relationship between brick, kincats & cardreg is too closely tied to tamper with, without reworking ewar...again. Just sucks that all the ewar balance is low side to counter brick tanking. For those of us who don't tank, or who expect to die within the first quarter of a clip, there are little options other than relying solely on our racial bonus, which cannot be enhanced without completely sacrificing all other ewar capabilities (basic level)
Not completely sold, but i appreciate your input.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:01:00 -
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2Berries wrote: ... Just sucks that all the ewar balance is low side to counter brick tanking. For those of us who don't tank, or who expect to die within the first quarter of a clip, there are little options other than relying solely on our racial bonus, which cannot be enhanced without completely sacrificing all other ewar capabilities (basic level)
Not completely sold, but i appreciate your input.
No problem, friend.
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Until next time. o7
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2Berries
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:53:00 -
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From the comments i've gotten from Freeback & Ideas and reading the Barbershop, i may never go back to General Discussions!
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