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Grease Spillett
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:51:00 -
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Can someone teach me how I'm supposed to use it cause I have no idea.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:53:00 -
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It's like a really powerful hot glue gun, except it explodes in your face instead of hitting the enemy. |
Vordred Knight
is a scrub.
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:53:00 -
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Don't ever charge it
Don't Do Drugs while playing Eve
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:53:00 -
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You don't.
But if you insist on how to use it my advice is to never use charge shot and use it as a SIDEARM only.
Bring These Back
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Grease Spillett
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:54:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:It's like a really powerful hot glue gun, except it explodes in your face instead of hitting the enemy.
Yeah that's about right. I can definitely say that it gets me killed far more often than it helps. So I started to spec smg. I suck at getting my sidearm up. NO pun intended. But it seems like there is a problem button taping the sidearm.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
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Grease Spillett
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:56:00 -
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Vordred Knight wrote:Don't ever charge it
Fair enough. I've tried that route. But it just seems to encourage the enemy not kill them lol.
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:00:00 -
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Don't use the charge shot.
Don't half charge it.
Don't even think about charging it.
Learn it's RoF cap.
Use a damage mod for it.
Use it as a sidearm only.
Don't charge it...
Ever.
Get sharpshooter up before anything else.
Pretty basic.
Also, don't charge it. |
Grease Spillett
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:02:00 -
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Does anyone use it? Just curious maybe CCP can look at some data.
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Vordred Knight
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:03:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Don't use the charge shot.
Don't half charge it.
Don't even think about charging it.
Learn it's RoF cap.
Use a damage mod for it.
Use it as a sidearm only.
Don't charge it...
Ever.
Get sharpshooter up before anything else.
Pretty basic.
Also, don't charge it. You also forgot not to charge it bro
Don't Do Drugs while playing Eve
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Grease Spillett
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:04:00 -
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Vordred Knight wrote:Joel II X wrote:Don't use the charge shot.
Don't half charge it.
Don't even think about charging it.
Learn it's RoF cap.
Use a damage mod for it.
Use it as a sidearm only.
Don't charge it...
Ever.
Get sharpshooter up before anything else.
Pretty basic.
Also, don't charge it. You also forgot not to charge it bro
So what was the intention of the charge?
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:04:00 -
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I noticed that not a lot of people are telling you this but you have to make sure you never charge it.
Lucent Echelon -The Brightest Ranks
Gallente Faction Warfare Chanel
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Grease Spillett
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:06:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:I noticed that not a lot of people are telling you this but you have to make sure you never charge it.
So why is there a charge? Isn't it a gallente weapon? that's why I specced into it.
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:09:00 -
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I love the charge shot on the Ion Pistol
It does just enough damage that a MLT Light Frame without any modues and with 0 SP in Armor Upgrades or Shield Upgrades can survive a hit from it.
Then I get 3 whole seconds to kill you before you can even try to shoot me again
I blame her for nova knife kills on tanks
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:10:00 -
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Basically, the ion pistol is like the scrambler pistol. Only it overheats, has a worthless charge, and will do less damage because it lacks epic headshot trolling bonus.
So really, if you want a reliable sidearm you go with an SMG. If you want a lol headshot sidearm, scrambler pistol.
Flaylock is bad 90% of the time, and the bolt pistol is bad except when complimenting an HMG user when he's being heckled at range by some tard who needs his kneecaps blown off. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:13:00 -
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I think the best part is that you can't even partially charge it. Even like 25% charge and the damn thing blows up in your hand. To answer your question, there is zero point to charging other than confusing new players into thinking they're supposed to charge it. The gun itself...is ok, pretty meh compared to other options, but when a weapon's 'defining feature' is impossible to use, you know there's a problem. |
TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:14:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:Vordred Knight wrote:Joel II X wrote:Don't use the charge shot.
Don't half charge it.
Don't even think about charging it.
Learn it's RoF cap.
Use a damage mod for it.
Use it as a sidearm only.
Don't charge it...
Ever.
Get sharpshooter up before anything else.
Pretty basic.
Also, don't charge it. You also forgot not to charge it bro So what was the intention of the charge?
To ohk newbs or get killed.
"Oh, look!,
There's, uh, two women f ing a polar bear".
"Don't tell me those things".
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:15:00 -
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Oh and I almost forgot.
Don't charge it.
"Oh, look!,
There's, uh, two women f ing a polar bear".
"Don't tell me those things".
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:16:00 -
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CCP designed the Charge to make the weapon more "unique" sadly CCP sometimes puts more thought into how to make weapons sound cool than the thought into making the actual weapon.
The Charge was meant to knock off a ton of health, I assume as a finishing shot but there are multiple problems with that.
If I'm using the pistol as a finisher and I'm in CQC I have resorted to my pistol because I can't reload right then which means I need to be able to fire immediately. This is where the problems arise, when needing to immediately switch to a backup if I want to use the charge I have to wait to charge (Keep in mind you can't do a lot while charging) and then risk it all on one shot.
If you miss in that one shot it's all over because there's an overheat stun function on the charged shot for 2 seconds which in a CQC situation is likely to mean death. You are likely to miss the shot because the dispersion as well as hit detection is god awful (I have Gallente Assault and Ion Pistol Sharpshooter to level 5) with the Ion Pistol.
If all goes well and none of those things happen to you will kill him as long as he has less than about 330 health.
So lets say you use it as a Starter shot. Lets say you actually hit him, you are now stun-locked for 2 seconds and unless he was an untanked scout or any militia suit besides heavy you will kill him. Outside of that, using the charged as a first shot will get you killed in most situations.
It's just poorly thought out mechanics of a pistol at the attempts of making something sound "cool"
Lucent Echelon -The Brightest Ranks
Gallente Faction Warfare Chanel
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:17:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I noticed that not a lot of people are telling you this but you have to make sure you never charge it. So why is there a charge? Isn't it a gallente weapon? that's why I specced into it.
Because once an item exists it cannot be removed. The Scrambler Pistol's mechanics were more fitting for the Gallente than the Ion Pistol was, but they couldn't just say "hey, this is a Gallente weapon now," so they tossed together some parts, ones fitting a Amarr Aesthetic, painted it green, and said, "Ion Pistol, totes Gallente."
Only we had to tell them that the DPS on the Ion Pistol was less than the DPS on the Scrambler Pistol. So instead of making the Ion Pistol useful they nerfed the RoF on the Scrambler Pistols. We cried and cried about how the charge shot having an automatic seize function was terrible, but little newbs to how CCP functions tried to stay hopeful and expected the multiplier to be high enough to justify the seize.
TL;DR The only things about it that are Gallentean: the paint job and the damage profile
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Foehammerr
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:19:00 -
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All these people saying that it ducks are just terrible with it. I use it all the time and it works fine for me. The charge shot is effective as a finishing shot, and can one shot non douche bag scouts that don't plate up. It's also good for trolling heavy frames when they're down to like 200-300 armor. Your best bet old be to put it on a Gallente assault as it gives it a hip fire accuracy buff which I'd where it shines. While it can be used as a primary, it is used as a side arm, complimenting the assault rifle. On the assault suit.
Rangers Lead The Way!
Beta Vet since 2/5/2013
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:21:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:CCP designed the Charge to make the weapon more "unique" sadly CCP sometimes puts more thought into how to make weapons sound cool than the thought into making the actual weapon.
The Charge was meant to knock off a ton of health, I assume as a finishing shot but there are multiple problems with that.
If I'm using the pistol as a finisher and I'm in CQC I have resorted to my pistol because I can't reload right then which means I need to be able to fire immediately. This is where the problems arise, when needing to immediately switch to a backup if I want to use the charge I have to wait to charge (Keep in mind you can't do a lot while charging) and then risk it all on one shot.
If you miss in that one shot it's all over because there's an overheat stun function on the charged shot for 2 seconds which in a CQC situation is likely to mean death. You are likely to miss the shot because the dispersion as well as hit detection is god awful (I have Gallente Assault and Ion Pistol Sharpshooter to level 5) with the Ion Pistol.
If all goes well and none of those things happen to you will kill him as long as he has less than about 330 health.
So lets say you use it as a Starter shot. Lets say you actually hit him, you are now stun-locked for 2 seconds and unless he was an untanked scout or any militia suit besides heavy you will kill him. Outside of that, using the charged as a first shot will get you killed in most situations.
It's just poorly thought out mechanics of a pistol at the attempts of making something sound "cool"
Needed more Pssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. |
Grease Spillett
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:23:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:CCP designed the Charge to make the weapon more "unique" sadly CCP sometimes puts more thought into how to make weapons sound cool than the thought into making the actual weapon.
The Charge was meant to knock off a ton of health, I assume as a finishing shot but there are multiple problems with that.
If I'm using the pistol as a finisher and I'm in CQC I have resorted to my pistol because I can't reload right then which means I need to be able to fire immediately. This is where the problems arise, when needing to immediately switch to a backup if I want to use the charge I have to wait to charge (Keep in mind you can't do a lot while charging) and then risk it all on one shot.
If you miss in that one shot it's all over because there's an overheat stun function on the charged shot for 2 seconds which in a CQC situation is likely to mean death. You are likely to miss the shot because the dispersion as well as hit detection is god awful (I have Gallente Assault and Ion Pistol Sharpshooter to level 5) with the Ion Pistol.
If all goes well and none of those things happen to you will kill him as long as he has less than about 330 health.
So lets say you use it as a Starter shot. Lets say you actually hit him, you are now stun-locked for 2 seconds and unless he was an untanked scout or any militia suit besides heavy you will kill him. Outside of that, using the charged as a first shot will get you killed in most situations.
It's just poorly thought out mechanics of a pistol at the attempts of making something sound "cool"
07 sarge! that's the droid I was looking for.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:32:00 -
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Sharpshooter is by far the best skill for the ion pistol and is the only one worth training if you want to actually use it.
The charge shot is terrible, don't use it. Also, in semi-auto operation be really careful to only tap the trigger lightly because if you lag slightly or hold down the trigger for marginally too long you'll overheat.
Remember that you only have about 600-700 damage in a clip - you won't be taking down heavies with it.
Also be careful with the hipfire. It's a little awkward to ADS with because it only has point blank range and the hipfire might miss the planet you're standing on if you aim downwards.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
'Lucent Echelon' - Gallente FW channel
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Grease Spillett
research lab
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:34:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Sharpshooter is by far the best skill for the ion pistol and is the only one worth training if you want to actually use it.
The charge shot is terrible, don't use it. Also, in semi-auto operation be really careful to only tap the trigger lightly because if you lag slightly or hold down the trigger for marginally too long you'll overheat.
Remember that you only have about 600-700 damage in a clip - you won't be taking down heavies with it.
Also be careful with the hipfire. It's a little awkward to ADS with because it only has point blank range and the hipfire might miss the planet you're standing on if you aim downwards.
Oh **** why did I put points into this gun? Well maybe a spoiler alert on skills would be good. I ran into a past a long time ago that said someone specced into a commando suit. He said he wished the game would have asked him why? LOL
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:35:00 -
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Hopefully come Delta the Ion Pistol will be good but we can only hope.
Lucent Echelon -The Brightest Ranks
Gallente Faction Warfare Chanel
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:36:00 -
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This is a little off track, but this is why you don't put people in charge of game design who don't actually design what they know.
Look at Rattati, for example. He was in accounting or something crazy. He wasn't a game designer. But he actually played the game, knew what was going on and thus had interesting legitimate ideas on how to improve it. And it's working better than any of the updates in the previous year.
Then look at the other guys who are SUPPOSED to be the designers. Wolfman, former CCP Blam!, etc. Wolfman had ideas that sounded alright at times, but they would usually be implemented half-broken and confused. Like he was trying to figure out the game he was making. And it didn't help that they effectively put him in charge of everything at one point. Vehicles, weapons, aiming... how the hell can you be more responsible than that?
Then CCP Blam! was quoted as having the reverse Midas touch, where everything simply turned to **** instead of gold. Vehicles have been stuck in limbo between OP and worthless forever thanks to his initial bad design, and Wolfman's attempted overhaul of the entire system that dumbed everything down to the point nobody was happy with it.
A cautionary tale, friends. A college degree is excellent for programming. A college degree makes you a terrible game designer. |
Grease Spillett
research lab
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:40:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:This is a little off track, but this is why you don't put people in charge of game design who don't actually design what they know.
Look at Rattati, for example. He was in accounting or something crazy. He wasn't a game designer. But he actually played the game, knew what was going on and thus had interesting legitimate ideas on how to improve it. And it's working better than any of the updates in the previous year.
Then look at the other guys who are SUPPOSED to be the designers. Wolfman, former CCP Blam!, etc. Wolfman had ideas that sounded alright at times, but they would usually be implemented half-broken and confused. Like he was trying to figure out the game he was making. And it didn't help that they effectively put him in charge of everything at one point. Vehicles, weapons, aiming... how the hell can you be more responsible than that?
Then CCP Blam! was quoted as having the reverse Midas touch, where everything simply turned to **** instead of gold. Vehicles have been stuck in limbo between OP and worthless forever thanks to his initial bad design, and Wolfman's attempted overhaul of the entire system that dumbed everything down to the point nobody was happy with it.
A cautionary tale, friends. A college degree is excellent for programming. A college degree makes you a terrible game designer.
That is off topic but I see your point. I just want to help out if there's a way. I am not gonna flame spray or call them incompetent. I believe they are there for a reason and I respect that. I just hope they respect us back.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
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Daddrobit
You Can Call Me Daddy
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:14:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
Needed more Pssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
iunderstoodthatreference.gif
Also for something that hasn't been added here: don't put operation past one or two. The added damage of a better pistol or proficiency just isn't worth the fact that with the higher charge rate that you get from operation, you will start to overheat even when you're just quickly tapping the trigger, not even trying to charge it. So you'll be stuck with that stunlock having only gotten out a partial mag.
Also never charge it.
O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:11:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:Vordred Knight wrote:Joel II X wrote:Don't use the charge shot.
Don't half charge it.
Don't even think about charging it.
Learn it's RoF cap.
Use a damage mod for it.
Use it as a sidearm only.
Don't charge it...
Ever.
Get sharpshooter up before anything else.
Pretty basic.
Also, don't charge it. You also forgot not to charge it bro So what was the intention of the charge? "The World may never know..."
It only worked on non-damped scouts (assuming you'll hit them) and starter Minmatar frames. If you miss the shot, you're dead (unlike the ScR). |
Grease Spillett
research lab
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:12:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Grease Spillett wrote:Vordred Knight wrote:Joel II X wrote:Don't use the charge shot.
Don't half charge it.
Don't even think about charging it.
Learn it's RoF cap.
Use a damage mod for it.
Use it as a sidearm only.
Don't charge it...
Ever.
Get sharpshooter up before anything else.
Pretty basic.
Also, don't charge it. You also forgot not to charge it bro So what was the intention of the charge? "The World may never know..." It only worked on non-damped scouts (assuming you'll hit them) and starter Minmatar frames. If you miss the shot, you're dead (unlike the ScR).
I'm planning on running it tonight. I'm going to really sit and try to make this work. I will not charge it and see how that goes.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
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