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Spademan wrote:

Ghost Kaisar wrote:

Stop with the flaylock clip increases people. It doesn't need a higher TTK. Hell, the Proto Flay can barely compete with other proto med frames right now, even with direct damage.

Fix the Flaylock:
Dramatically increase direct damage. 250, 300, 350 across the tiers
Universal Splash Radius. 1.8m across all tiers
Small Splash Progression: 140, 150, 160

Right now, the ROF means you fire 2 shots per second. It takes 1.5s to fire all three shots for a total of 626 damage, meaning it's actual DPS right now is 417 DPS. This is at PROTO level. With ALL DIRECT SHOTS.

With these changes, Direct damage gives it the DPS it needs. 3 shots at 350 means it now deals 1050 in 1.5, buffing it to 700 DPS. This is ONLY if you land 3 direct shots. In reality, you would only land one or two on a strafing target.

1 Direct and two splash is equal to 446 DPS (Total of 670 Raw Damage)
2 Direct and one splash is equal to 573 DPS (Total of 860 Raw Damage)

All of the sudden, those numbers are deadly. It can now take down suits in a single clip, if you land every shot. Key word being LAND EVERY SHOT.

It's a skill shot weapon. Don't make it easier to use. Reward correct usage.

I'd like to know your suggestions for the Breach variant.

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Cruor Abominare Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 134	Posted - 2014.08.19 07:58:00 - [1] - Quote Since its already been announced that sidearms are the focus for delta, which sidearms are people expecting to become the new front runners? I have fully maxed out smg's largely because I've been playing for so long and that they were the only side arm for so long I ended up speccing into them. It also helps that I have a plethora of smg bpo's. Unfortunately ratatiti has already announced that he would like to burn them into the ground harder than the flay lock nerfs of old. So whats everyone expecting for a good side arm to start saving up for?
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 546	Posted - 2014.08.19 08:31:00 - [2] - Quote Ion pistol >:3 Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
gustavo acosta Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 194	Posted - 2014.08.19 08:35:00 - [3] - Quote I think you're overreacting, but I'm ready with 2 proto sidearms, 2 lvl 4 sidearms(the only ones that have variants to unlock), and 3 adv. sidearms. So if anything becomes OP I'll be ready to abuse it until it gets nerfed because that's apparently the only way for people to figure out something needs to be rebalanced, and I am a warrior of justice that must show how unbalanced certain things in this game are... Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2077	Posted - 2014.08.19 08:39:00 - [4] - Quote scrambler pistol will either remain the same or have a smaller clip smg will be nerfed slightly as i can still use it as a primary weapon and be competative LOL flaylock will be buffed ion pistol will get a damage increase bolt pistol will hopefully be fixed since its buggy as hell right now magsec is in a good spot so i think its going to be left alone its just really unfortunate that development on the game has stopped or else we may have seen the introduction of some new sidearms in the form of amaar and gal smgs Minmatar is Winmatar
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 546	Posted - 2014.08.19 08:44:00 - [5] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: smg will be nerfed slightly as i can still use it as a primary weapon and be competative LOL you misspelled scrambler pistol here mate Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2077	Posted - 2014.08.19 09:02:00 - [6] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: smg will be nerfed slightly as i can still use it as a primary weapon and be competative LOL you misspelled scrambler pistol here mate the pistol is nice but it has a higher skill cap to get the same level of play out of it that you can get out of the smg, that ease of use factor the smg has makes the difference in alot of ways Minmatar is Winmatar

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 5445	Posted - 2014.08.19 09:15:00 - [7] - Quote Cruor Abominare wrote: Unfortunately ratatiti has already announced that he would like to burn them into the ground harder than the flay lock nerfs of old. Smiled at this. That's not the intent though, I would prefer to buff the others. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2077	Posted - 2014.08.19 09:18:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cruor Abominare wrote: Unfortunately ratatiti has already announced that he would like to burn them into the ground harder than the flay lock nerfs of old. Smiled at this. That's not the intent though, I would prefer to buff the others. speed up how fast the flaylocks projectile travels please Minmatar is Winmatar
TOOMANY NAMES ALREADYTAKEn Going for the gold 89	Posted - 2014.08.19 09:21:00 - [9] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Cruor Abominare wrote: Unfortunately ratatiti has already announced that he would like to burn them into the ground harder than the flay lock nerfs of old. Smiled at this. That's not the intent though, I would prefer to buff the others. speed up how fast the flaylocks projectile travels please THAT would be nice. Shotgunner for life. EDIT: Scratch that, I love my lasers.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2077	Posted - 2014.08.19 09:23:00 - [10] - Quote TOOMANY NAMES ALREADYTAKEn wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Cruor Abominare wrote: Unfortunately ratatiti has already announced that he would like to burn them into the ground harder than the flay lock nerfs of old. Smiled at this. That's not the intent though, I would prefer to buff the others. speed up how fast the flaylocks projectile travels please THAT would be nice. its actually the BEST way to buff the flaylock, as it rewards skillshots without making aoe spam effective :P a faster projectile means its possable to direct hit with it more effectivly, meaning higher damage output for skilled users without increasing the potential damage per clip :P a slight buff to RoF may make be nessesary as well, but only a small buff to RoF would be nessesary if at all Minmatar is Winmatar

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2231	Posted - 2014.08.19 10:05:00 - [11] - Quote Projectile speed increase would make the flaylock a lot more useful. Damage is pretty crappy overall Bolt pistol I only use to remove spammed equipment.
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 374	Posted - 2014.08.19 10:05:00 - [12] - Quote TOOMANY NAMES ALREADYTAKEn wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Cruor Abominare wrote: Unfortunately ratatiti has already announced that he would like to burn them into the ground harder than the flay lock nerfs of old. Smiled at this. That's not the intent though, I would prefer to buff the others. speed up how fast the flaylocks projectile travels please THAT would be nice. More ammo in the clip and a slight aoe buff please, the damage is fine as is. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2077	Posted - 2014.08.19 10:17:00 - [13] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: TOOMANY NAMES ALREADYTAKEn wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Cruor Abominare wrote: Unfortunately ratatiti has already announced that he would like to burn them into the ground harder than the flay lock nerfs of old. Smiled at this. That's not the intent though, I would prefer to buff the others. speed up how fast the flaylocks projectile travels please THAT would be nice. More ammo in the clip and a slight aoe buff please, the damage is fine as is. AoE buff is unnessesary, get direct hits with it instead :P its supposed to be a skillshot weapon with AoE letting it hit behind cover with well placed shots, not an AoE spam pistol Minmatar is Winmatar
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17153	Posted - 2014.08.19 10:20:00 - [14] - Quote GLORY TO THE ION PISTOL You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. 'Lucent Echelon' - Gallente FW channel
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 3115	Posted - 2014.08.19 10:23:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cruor Abominare wrote: Unfortunately ratatiti has already announced that he would like to burn them into the ground harder than the flay lock nerfs of old. Smiled at this. That's not the intent though, I would prefer to buff the others. One burst Flaylock please. But remember, Ion Pistol has priority above all the rest. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
IMMORTAL WAR HERO NECROM0NGERS 164	Posted - 2014.08.19 10:55:00 - [16] - Quote Cruor Abominare wrote: Since its already been announced that sidearms are the focus for delta, which sidearms are people expecting to become the new front runners? I have fully maxed out smg's largely because I've been playing for so long and that they were the only side arm for so long I ended up speccing into them. It also helps that I have a plethora of smg bpo's. Unfortunately ratatiti has already announced that he would like to burn them into the ground harder than the flay lock nerfs of old. So whats everyone expecting for a good side arm to start saving up for? lol i was gonna make a topic on how i couldnt even get into match but your post works 2 Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
OZAROW Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1491	Posted - 2014.08.19 11:21:00 - [17] - Quote Leave the smg for real. Give the scp 100 more on the rof Buff the range and damage on the ion. Give the magsec a reactive variant and keep it a mini 're, or really increase the rof and decrease the damage and range so its more smg like. Give the flaylock a flux version and adjust projectiles speed and possibly .2 too radius And give the bolt pistol a assault version with a quicker reload, 6 in the mag with less damage and faster roof and add 2company rounds to the standard version. SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 3063	Posted - 2014.08.19 11:32:00 - [18] - Quote Buff Ion RoF, +2 dmg, and lower the heat buildup (but let the heat sink slower) that way, you won't overheat in a single clip, but have the chance of doing it on the second. Also, fix it so that you don't overheat with a half-charged shot (and make the projectile bigger for charged shots ala old ScR). Range is fine. Reduce seize time by 1 second, maybe? Or increase accuracy?
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 360	Posted - 2014.08.19 12:21:00 - [19] - Quote Hopefully we get the proper effects for the pistols, i.e., scrambler overheats if fired too many times quickly but otherwise has more shots than six. Ion pistol should be deadly at point blank. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1098	Posted - 2014.08.19 12:24:00 - [20] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: Ion pistol >:3 Kitteh face!? this is serious...yu-gi-oh serious If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.

TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5234	Posted - 2014.08.19 12:30:00 - [21] - Quote I'd prefer a flaylock clip increase and a slight aoe increase. Its a mini mass driver. It also states in its description that it uses small homing projectiles. "Oh, look!, There's, uh, two women f ing a polar bear". "Don't tell me those things".
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6547	Posted - 2014.08.19 13:34:00 - [22] - Quote Stop with the flaylock clip increases people. It doesn't need a higher TTK. Hell, the Proto Flay can barely compete with other proto med frames right now, even with direct damage. Fix the Flaylock: Dramatically increase direct damage. 250, 300, 350 across the tiers Universal Splash Radius. 1.8m across all tiers Small Splash Progression: 140, 150, 160 Right now, the ROF means you fire 2 shots per second. It takes 1.5s to fire all three shots for a total of 626 damage, meaning it's actual DPS right now is 417 DPS. This is at PROTO level. With ALL DIRECT SHOTS. With these changes, Direct damage gives it the DPS it needs. 3 shots at 350 means it now deals 1050 in 1.5, buffing it to 700 DPS. This is ONLY if you land 3 direct shots. In reality, you would only land one or two on a strafing target. 1 Direct and two splash is equal to 446 DPS (Total of 670 Raw Damage) 2 Direct and one splash is equal to 573 DPS (Total of 860 Raw Damage) All of the sudden, those numbers are deadly. It can now take down suits in a single clip, if you land every shot. Key word being LAND EVERY SHOT. It's a skill shot weapon. Don't make it easier to use. Reward correct usage. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2080	Posted - 2014.08.19 13:42:00 - [23] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Stop with the flaylock clip increases people. It doesn't need a higher TTK. Hell, the Proto Flay can barely compete with other proto med frames right now, even with direct damage. Fix the Flaylock: Dramatically increase direct damage. 250, 300, 350 across the tiers Universal Splash Radius. 1.8m across all tiers Small Splash Progression: 140, 150, 160 Right now, the ROF means you fire 2 shots per second. It takes 1.5s to fire all three shots for a total of 626 damage, meaning it's actual DPS right now is 417 DPS. This is at PROTO level. With ALL DIRECT SHOTS. With these changes, Direct damage gives it the DPS it needs. 3 shots at 350 means it now deals 1050 in 1.5, buffing it to 700 DPS. This is ONLY if you land 3 direct shots. In reality, you would only land one or two on a strafing target. 1 Direct and two splash is equal to 446 DPS (Total of 670 Raw Damage) 2 Direct and one splash is equal to 573 DPS (Total of 860 Raw Damage) All of the sudden, those numbers are deadly. It can now take down suits in a single clip, if you land every shot. Key word being LAND EVERY SHOT. It's a skill shot weapon. Don't make it easier to use. Reward correct usage. this and icrease how fast the projectile travels Minmatar is Winmatar
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 3118	Posted - 2014.08.19 13:47:00 - [24] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Stop with the flaylock clip increases people. It doesn't need a higher TTK. Hell, the Proto Flay can barely compete with other proto med frames right now, even with direct damage. Fix the Flaylock: Dramatically increase direct damage. 250, 300, 350 across the tiers Universal Splash Radius. 1.8m across all tiers Small Splash Progression: 140, 150, 160 Right now, the ROF means you fire 2 shots per second. It takes 1.5s to fire all three shots for a total of 626 damage, meaning it's actual DPS right now is 417 DPS. This is at PROTO level. With ALL DIRECT SHOTS. With these changes, Direct damage gives it the DPS it needs. 3 shots at 350 means it now deals 1050 in 1.5, buffing it to 700 DPS. This is ONLY if you land 3 direct shots. In reality, you would only land one or two on a strafing target. 1 Direct and two splash is equal to 446 DPS (Total of 670 Raw Damage) 2 Direct and one splash is equal to 573 DPS (Total of 860 Raw Damage) All of the sudden, those numbers are deadly. It can now take down suits in a single clip, if you land every shot. Key word being LAND EVERY SHOT. It's a skill shot weapon. Don't make it easier to use. Reward correct usage. I'd like to know your suggestions for the Breach variant. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6549	Posted - 2014.08.19 13:56:00 - [25] - Quote Spademan wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Stop with the flaylock clip increases people. It doesn't need a higher TTK. Hell, the Proto Flay can barely compete with other proto med frames right now, even with direct damage. Fix the Flaylock: Dramatically increase direct damage. 250, 300, 350 across the tiers Universal Splash Radius. 1.8m across all tiers Small Splash Progression: 140, 150, 160 Right now, the ROF means you fire 2 shots per second. It takes 1.5s to fire all three shots for a total of 626 damage, meaning it's actual DPS right now is 417 DPS. This is at PROTO level. With ALL DIRECT SHOTS. With these changes, Direct damage gives it the DPS it needs. 3 shots at 350 means it now deals 1050 in 1.5, buffing it to 700 DPS. This is ONLY if you land 3 direct shots. In reality, you would only land one or two on a strafing target. 1 Direct and two splash is equal to 446 DPS (Total of 670 Raw Damage) 2 Direct and one splash is equal to 573 DPS (Total of 860 Raw Damage) All of the sudden, those numbers are deadly. It can now take down suits in a single clip, if you land every shot. Key word being LAND EVERY SHOT. It's a skill shot weapon. Don't make it easier to use. Reward correct usage. I'd like to know your suggestions for the Breach variant. Think "Pocket Rocket Launcher" FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 312	Posted - 2014.08.19 14:23:00 - [26] - Quote I'd like to able to use my shoe as a sidearm... Them suits look heavy, I think I could knock someone over with it at least.
castba Merc-0107 577	Posted - 2014.08.19 14:29:00 - [27] - Quote This sidearm rebalance should prove interesting. One thing I would like to see is the requirements on the Dren scrambler pistol updated to reflect it as being STD (11cpu 2pg) level gear as opposed to the MLT (20cpu 5pg) weapon it is currently.
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 388	Posted - 2014.08.19 16:59:00 - [28] - Quote Just make them so they have similiar dps. Flaylock needs better directs. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Tectonic Fusion 2022	Posted - 2014.08.19 18:33:00 - [29] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Cruor Abominare wrote: Unfortunately ratatiti has already announced that he would like to burn them into the ground harder than the flay lock nerfs of old. Smiled at this. That's not the intent though, I would prefer to buff the others. speed up how fast the flaylocks projectile travels please I've been saying this for months. +1
Ryme Intrinseca Eurotrash Pubstars 1574	Posted - 2014.08.19 18:39:00 - [30] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cruor Abominare wrote: Unfortunately ratatiti has already announced that he would like to burn them into the ground harder than the flay lock nerfs of old. Smiled at this. That's not the intent though, I would prefer to buff the others. Why though? Magsec isn't far short of SMG DPS but with near double the range. A good ScP user slaughters an SMG user. It's already balanced. People only use SMG because, as the OP said, they've been around forever.

Cruor Abominare Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 134	Posted - 2014.08.20 05:07:00 - [31] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cruor Abominare wrote: Unfortunately ratatiti has already announced that he would like to burn them into the ground harder than the flay lock nerfs of old. Smiled at this. That's not the intent though, I would prefer to buff the others. Hah I wanted you to, I know you're still relatively new but you'll still get some flack from your predecessors track record of destroying weapons they point out they want to see less usage of. I know you're unsettled by how much the smg is being used but remember, sidearms arent all that exciting so a lot of us use SMG because its been around so long that we've thrown points into for the bpo usage and the familiarity of the weapon. If we were picking our sidearms over fitting cost we'd keep using the flaylock (which was how it was first really discovered, it was the defacto I have **** fitting skills lets pick the 0 pg sidearm) That said outside of nova knives the level of sidearm generally picked is going to be a question of what still fits. There aren't really a lot of quality players out there who are going to look at their fitting and sacrifice a core competency for a sidearm. I never think yea I'll take less HP so I can get a higher level sidarm for the extra 20 dps that i'll use once in a blue moon when my main weapon runs out of ammo.
Thurak1 Psygod9 938	Posted - 2014.08.20 05:18:00 - [32] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: I'd prefer a flaylock clip increase and a slight aoe increase. Its a mini mass driver. It also states in its description that it uses small homing projectiles. But yet they do not home at all.


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